Yep. He was in my house for the ill-fated Nigeria-Angola game. Met him thanks to Juventuz :thumb:. And I can tell you that he's a good guy! We are going drinking this evening as a matter of fact!
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Hey Chxta...
Why not start a thread about doctors or lawyers, and I'm sure you'd get a ton of complaints , too....
Lets face it, no one really likes the police. Unless you have family and/or friends that are part of the force.
Their hated until their needed.....such is life
I dont know any corrupt cops, but that doesnt mean that their not out there
Maybe if local governments hired according to merit, rather than to fill quotas according to race and gender, we would have less problems.....
Why not start a thread about doctors or lawyers, and I'm sure you'd get a ton of complaints , too....
Lets face it, no one really likes the police. Unless you have family and/or friends that are part of the force.
Their hated until their needed.....such is life
I dont know any corrupt cops, but that doesnt mean that their not out there
Maybe if local governments hired according to merit, rather than to fill quotas according to race and gender, we would have less problems.....
Depends which side you're on. I'm a white guy living in a decent neighborhood of an expensive city whose brother is a cop. It's a much different story if I were a black kid living in the Hunter's Point neighborhood, for example.
For the most part, I've found cops to be good and well-meaning people. A lot are there because they honestly want to help and deter/put away the bad guys to better life for the rest of us. (Kind of like the mods we so desperately need here these days.) But in their position, there is a lot of room for abuse too. This city was somewhat notorious recently with the police officer son of the police chief who beat up locals in drunken rages, etc.
No group is going to be 100% saintly, afterall, because humans aren't 100% saintly -- either in general or in different situations. We all know about some Catholic priests, right? But that doesn't mean they're mostly child molesters any more than working for the post office means you're a lone gunman waiting to happen.
In some positions, society holds a morality litmus test that has different standards from group to group, from profession to profession. It explains why so many parents are shocked that there's crime on college campuses -- as if taking a Biology class means the criminal element in society disappears.
For the most part, I've found cops to be good and well-meaning people. A lot are there because they honestly want to help and deter/put away the bad guys to better life for the rest of us. (Kind of like the mods we so desperately need here these days.) But in their position, there is a lot of room for abuse too. This city was somewhat notorious recently with the police officer son of the police chief who beat up locals in drunken rages, etc.
No group is going to be 100% saintly, afterall, because humans aren't 100% saintly -- either in general or in different situations. We all know about some Catholic priests, right? But that doesn't mean they're mostly child molesters any more than working for the post office means you're a lone gunman waiting to happen.
In some positions, society holds a morality litmus test that has different standards from group to group, from profession to profession. It explains why so many parents are shocked that there's crime on college campuses -- as if taking a Biology class means the criminal element in society disappears.
Yeah, sure you'd get complaints. I know virtually every lawyer joke there is. People make us out to be the worst kind of scum on the planet, and pray for an epidemic to wipe us out, and claim there would be a lot more peace and harmony in the world if there were no lawyers.
Maybe, maybe not.
For instance, in the matter Chxta used to start this thread, the man who brought it all out and refused to stop speaking about it despite death threats from the cops is a lawyer. Everyone else was prepared to slink off and accept the drivel the government would feed them over the murders, but not this guy.
Throughout the history of my country, it is lawyers who have led the battles for the common man. We fought the independence battle with Britain, we shed our blood for our country time and time again in the darkest days of military dictatorship, when the wrong word could get you "disappeared". We put our wigs and gowns on the line, figthing for the oppressed masses. Yes, there are some crooked ones among us, but, if Johnnie Cochran was a District Attorney, he'd be hailed as a candidate for Canonisation now.
Maybe, maybe not.
For instance, in the matter Chxta used to start this thread, the man who brought it all out and refused to stop speaking about it despite death threats from the cops is a lawyer. Everyone else was prepared to slink off and accept the drivel the government would feed them over the murders, but not this guy.
Throughout the history of my country, it is lawyers who have led the battles for the common man. We fought the independence battle with Britain, we shed our blood for our country time and time again in the darkest days of military dictatorship, when the wrong word could get you "disappeared". We put our wigs and gowns on the line, figthing for the oppressed masses. Yes, there are some crooked ones among us, but, if Johnnie Cochran was a District Attorney, he'd be hailed as a candidate for Canonisation now.
In law school, we are taught ethics and so on and so forth, but the world teaches us economics. We learn from the world that ethics and principles wont put food on your plate, a roof over your head, put clothes on your back, or get you that shiny Jag you've been drooling over since you were sixteen.
So, the world teaches us to fight rough when we have to, and be the dirtiest players in the game when we need to. All so we can afford our wigs, law books, gowns, and of course, that shiny Jag.
If government jobs paid so well, the best lawyers would be public prosecutors, and the worst scum would be locked up by us. Well, c'est la vie
So, the world teaches us to fight rough when we have to, and be the dirtiest players in the game when we need to. All so we can afford our wigs, law books, gowns, and of course, that shiny Jag.
If government jobs paid so well, the best lawyers would be public prosecutors, and the worst scum would be locked up by us. Well, c'est la vie
Though the classic (albeit flawed) argument, madlawyer, is that attracting the best lawyers as public prosecuters through the primary lure of economic gain results in public prosecutors who could be the most easily influenced, swayed, or corrupted by money. It could be a sweet deal for deep-pocketed criminals.
Not neccessarily swag. If a man is getting paid what he's worth by the government, then he should have no need to look to criminals to "augument" his income. Indeed, the police in Nigeria are so poorly paid that the occassional payment from a crook to look the other way becomes rather tempting for them. Afterall, as they like to say: "Their take-home pay can't take them home."
It doesn't justify the recent killings of innocent citizens, but it goes some way to explain their mentality. For instance, a cop killed in the line of duty in America for instance, is reasonably sure that his family will get taken care of by the government, and his sacrifice wont go unnoticed. In Nigeria, once a cop dies on the job, his family is given one week to vacate their official quarters, meagre as they are, and he doesn't even get the benefit of a hero's burial, which he deserves. The result is a cowardly, jumpy police force, where not one officer is willing to take a bullet for anyone in the course of his job, and views the people he is meant to protect as his meal ticket to a better life. With better pay, and re-orientation, we might get a much improved police force in the future.
However, with the President of the Nigerian Senate getting kicked out of office for collecting a bribe of 50 million naira, you could say that greed has become part of our national culture.
It doesn't justify the recent killings of innocent citizens, but it goes some way to explain their mentality. For instance, a cop killed in the line of duty in America for instance, is reasonably sure that his family will get taken care of by the government, and his sacrifice wont go unnoticed. In Nigeria, once a cop dies on the job, his family is given one week to vacate their official quarters, meagre as they are, and he doesn't even get the benefit of a hero's burial, which he deserves. The result is a cowardly, jumpy police force, where not one officer is willing to take a bullet for anyone in the course of his job, and views the people he is meant to protect as his meal ticket to a better life. With better pay, and re-orientation, we might get a much improved police force in the future.
However, with the President of the Nigerian Senate getting kicked out of office for collecting a bribe of 50 million naira, you could say that greed has become part of our national culture.
Following the directive by the Judicial Commission of Inquiry constituted by the Federal Government to probe the alleged cold-blooded killing of six people at Apo in Abuja, the decomposed bodies of the Apo six were on Friday exhumed by medical personnel of the National Hospital, Abuja, for autopsy.
They were exhumed from a bush in Utako district, Abuja. During the exercise, all roads connecting the said bush were condoned off by armed policemen, under tight police security. This was witnessed by counsel to the four of the victims, Amobi Nzelu and families of the six deceased persons.
The exhumation started at about 12 noon. Medical experts from the National Hospital came with a pick-up van and an ambulance bus loaded with chemicals to douse the stench which covered the area as bodies of the Apo six were brought out of the grave one after the other.
It took about an hour and 11 minutes to exhume the bodies as the first body was brought out of the grave at about 12.05 pm, while the last one was brought out at about 1.16 p.m. The decomposed bodies were conveyed in body bags.
The six bodies were laid separately in the laboratory where the autopsy test would commence. The result of the test would be ready within the week.
Mother of the only female victim, Mrs. Monica Arebum, who maintained a visible distance from where the bodies were exhumed, said all she wanted was justice.
They were exhumed from a bush in Utako district, Abuja. During the exercise, all roads connecting the said bush were condoned off by armed policemen, under tight police security. This was witnessed by counsel to the four of the victims, Amobi Nzelu and families of the six deceased persons.
The exhumation started at about 12 noon. Medical experts from the National Hospital came with a pick-up van and an ambulance bus loaded with chemicals to douse the stench which covered the area as bodies of the Apo six were brought out of the grave one after the other.
It took about an hour and 11 minutes to exhume the bodies as the first body was brought out of the grave at about 12.05 pm, while the last one was brought out at about 1.16 p.m. The decomposed bodies were conveyed in body bags.
The six bodies were laid separately in the laboratory where the autopsy test would commence. The result of the test would be ready within the week.
Mother of the only female victim, Mrs. Monica Arebum, who maintained a visible distance from where the bodies were exhumed, said all she wanted was justice.
