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Gep

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Jun 12, 2005
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Look! not every team is solid in all areas of the pitch. Its harsh were slating our very own like this. On paper we are the strongest team in Europe, the Reason why Capello's failed? ......Simple. No Squad Rotation especially in the most important time of the season. The business end of the season shall i say ie:C.L


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ZhiXin

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Oct 1, 2004
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Nedved and Mutu should be played in the centre, where they r the most lethal, yet Capello plays them everywhere except there.

Everybody seems to be highlighting the 4-4-2 formation, but they seem to forget that other formation has their own flaws as well. It is very easy to suggest about the change of formation, but it also depends if the players r on the job. Formations r not really that simple as stated, but so far I think that 4-4-2 isn't a big issue, but we lack a playmaker. Don't u think that Zebina will be even more of a liability if he is left on the right all alone?
 

ZAF3000

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Feb 14, 2005
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I am not saying we should change the 4-4-2 as much as I am saying that we should adapt the formation to what player we have available for each match.
Not ratating the team is also a fatal mistake, BUT I guess it goes under not changing the formation. How will he rotate the player if he is not willing to change formations when the players change.
 

ZhiXin

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ZAF3000 said:
I am not saying we should change the 4-4-2 as much as I am saying that we should adapt the formation to what player we have available for each match.
Not ratating the team is also a fatal mistake, BUT I guess it goes under not changing the formation. How will he rotate the player if he is not willing to change formations when the players change.
No wonder I love Ancoletti more than Capello
 

giovanotti

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Aug 13, 2004
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ZAF3000 said:
I think that Capello's main problem is his inssistance of playing 4-4-2 even of the players cannot support such a formation. He is not willing to change it to 4-5-1 or 4-3-3 according to the state of health or the opponent team.
Add to that featuring unfit players, Zebina, Zlatan, Del Piero ..etc which either caused recurance of injury as in Del Piero and Zebina or delay in reaching optimum physical streangth as in Zlatan.
Favouring players such as Zlatan and even more dramatically Zebina where negletcting in form players like Mutu, Del Piero, Chielini and Balzaretti.
Made Juventus Vieira dependant. If vieira is off form we are impotant. I predicted this early in the season when Vieira was playing amazingly. He got suspended for one game and we were not able to do anything. Many said next game we will be back on track with vieira playing. I said well thats the point we have great players why become dependant on one player who's only been with the team for less than 2 months.

Just look at Capello's main formation:
------------------------ Buffon
Zebina ----- Thuram ---- Cannavaro --- Zambrotta
Camoranesi --- Emerson -- Vieira ---- Nedved
---------Trezeguet -------- Ibrahimovic

Deffensively:
CBs and DMs working together with SBs supporting from the sides.
So if the DMs are not working properly, as in Vieira not deffending and blocking offences the CBs will get abused. His deffensive plan B is that the SBs cover up the mess the DMs do. So whenever Vieira is off form, Zambrotta or/and Zebina are covering for him.
Offensively:
Depends on corsses from the pronouced wings and penetrations from a DM (aka Vieira since he is the only potentially creative DM we have). The aim of all our attaks is to reach our hitman David. Meaning all attacks have to end with him. Our attacks do not depend on central play making and shooting as much as wing crosses, and DM long balls. Which is ok.

Now this is his tactics. Plain and simple. We all said ok sounds good. Well it does not. The flaws are:
A- Zebina is not a player to depend on neither offensively nor deffensively.
B- Emerson is not God.
C- 100% depending on Vieira's form. If he is off form or not playing we are fucked. No proper long balls nor proper penetration. Thats because he is our only potentially creative midfielders.

When Vieira got off form the deffensive role and offesnive role got affected:
A- Offesnively:
The team started depending on Ibra who is not a creative player as much as a talented forward. Camoranesi started to drift into the midfield which left the flanks wide open. A gap was clear between the forwards and the midfield which was high aparent when the forwards lose the ball there is no immediate recoverey of posession. What made things go even worse, Zlatan got injured (+ him not being really onform). Capello instead of resting him till he recovers he continued to play with him as a primary choice. Which saw him limping out of the field few times in raw.
Whenever Del Piero was/is on the field, he creates more trouble to the opponent deffense because he is a creative player. When needed he can play as an offensive midfielder or a wide striker (as with NT). Add to that his extraordianry gift in finishing and set pieces.
Capello inssists on playing a flat 4-4-2 although the player this formation depend on (vieira) is off form and cannot serve this formation. If he changed his formation into 4-3-3 or 4-3-1-2 we would have done much better because then we wouldn't have to depend on Vieira.
B- Deffensively:
Vieira's off form series started with him losing his offensive creativity and strikers support. His deffensive role was not that much dependant. it was affected never the less. Things started to deteruate fast. He started to gain a card on every game. Emerson started to carry vieira's deffensive load, which saw him getting exhausted easily. Now since Vieira is not working offensively properly why didn't we use Giannichedda more often. He is deffensively better. Hell whenever he played our midfield was better offensively. So we did not use giannichedda, which has put load on the flanks. Whenever Zebina played we were like playing with 9 men rather than 11 (since vieira and Zebina are not doing anything). This caused leaking goals. Teams capable of pressing on us because we do not have proper DMs although we have two on the field (but not functioning). We could not attack because we did not have a pronounce offensive midfielder + playing unfit player like Ibra caused worsening of the situation.

This all was reflected on Del Piero. This made him the only hope. Because with his experience he can adapt to the match and go wide outside capello's formations and tactics to what suites the game. And this is the reason why we cannot score if he is not on the field. He has the experience and the creativity to pick Juve up and attack opponent teams.

This year we had the players to win the Champion's league, something we did not have during the past 10 years. Unfortunately our coach was not flexible enough to make it happen. Saying he is a terrible coach is not right. Saying he failed in capturing his target due to his rigidity and stubborness is absolutely spot on. Capello wants to play a formation that the squad he has at the moment are not capable to perform, instead of playing other formation that the squad can play and can win with it every single game.

Who agrees?

Agreed at all,you made it clear,Zaf!
 

Jem83

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Nov 7, 2005
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Moggi D'Messiah said:
Look! not every team is solid in all areas of the pitch. Its harsh were slating our very own like this. On paper we are the strongest team in Europe, the Reason why Capello's failed? ......Simple. No Squad Rotation especially in the most important time of the season.

Although I believe we seriously need to strengthen for next season's campaign, I agree to this right here.

It's not a bunch of reasons for his "failure", it all boils down to the simple fact that he didn't rotate the squad.

Our players are tired.
 

sateeh

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Jul 28, 2003
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ZAF3000 said:
Actually they were less than 5 games, and all were not in a raw. Meaning It was just Neddy's prefrences trying to make up for a teams situation. It was clear now over 2 seasons that Capello has asked Neddy to stay on the left, or sometimes on the right. Neddy is hardly shooting because he is away for the firing position.
You can't blame nedved for not performing well on central positions when he only played there for few matches that were sporadic and not under a proper formation by capello.
neddy will always run his heart out and give a 100%, and actually i blame him if he doesnt perform in a position he has become familier with over the years.
And in the arsenal game as well as the viola game he started out in center and having a free role roaming the whole attacking midfield line. But he didnt deliver as much as i would like him mybe due to the physicality of the viola and the 5 man midfield of arsenal.....but again for someone with his experience it shouldn't be soo hard to adapt to a position that u played not soo long ago.
 

ZAF3000

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Feb 14, 2005
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Don Bes said:
whats up with the part

This year we had the players to win the Champion's league, something we did not have during the past 10 years.


please, lippi had a team as good as this if not better
Since when did Lippi have forward line as rich as = Del Piero, Trezeguet, Zalayata, Ibrahimovic and Mutu.

Having two great goalkeepers

Having 3 very good side backs + 2 who are old but can serve well + 1 rubbish.

Having 4 good central/deffensive midfielders who were not used wisely.
 

ZAF3000

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Feb 14, 2005
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sateeh said:
neddy will always run his heart out and give a 100%, and actually i blame him if he doesnt perform in a position he has become familier with over the years.
And in the arsenal game as well as the viola game he started out in center and having a free role roaming the whole attacking midfield line. But he didnt deliver as much as i would like him mybe due to the physicality of the viola and the 5 man midfield of arsenal.....but again for someone with his experience it shouldn't be soo hard to adapt to a position that u played not soo long ago.
Neddy is getting old for the game can't do everything alone.
 

ZAF3000

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Feb 14, 2005
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I had to do this... Although joyful, its painful for our current situation. I've watched our 1996 final highlights again.. We were playing. We were passing the ball correctly, we had speed, we had players playing from their heart with determination. We shot on goal ALOT. We were the ones who were on the offensive side. We did not leave spaces. + Peruzzi was GREAT.
 

Chico

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Apr 6, 2006
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Moggi D'Messiah said:
Surely we need to start being more offense minded. Chelsea's football is utter boring, comparing to Arsenal who at least won the league IN Style! Thats how football should be played. Mourinho is like Capello. Target men are too predictable!
Good point, that could be why both teams have struggled in their leagues, and had their gap at the top cut to only 7 points. Weird or what, eh?
My favourite for when capello does leave, is probably prandelli of fiorentina. he done a real good job with them, using italian players and playing attacking football at the same time. Plus he done good at Parma.
I know someone bound to say that hes only done good because of Toni, but what if he brings Toni with him?:agree: :p :toast: :D
AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
NO Mourinho
NO Eriksson
 

Chico

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Apr 6, 2006
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serfaraaz said:
we already have trezeguet we dont need toni but i would like to see gila in juve jersey
O my goh! Toni is 100 times as good as Trezeguet! At least he has physical strength, can run with the ball and works for the team!:agree: :agree:
And of course they could play together, we could even put an attacking midfielder behind them.
You confuse me, you say that we cant play toni and trezeguet together, and then you say you would like gilardino! Toni is better than gilardino too!:agree: :agree:
 
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