You know, I'm kind of happy it all went this way. In the end, I was almost glad Holland never made it to that horrible WC!
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++ [ originally posted by Jun-hide ] ++
Although, Milan did not win the leauge, they won the champions league in that if I remeber it correctly.
. Also, as you have mentioned, a wonderful performance by Van Basten and Gullit to best then an allmighty West Germany in their own backyard was some achievement. Van Basten's goal, which is arguably the greatest ever, was some sight. Gullit's pass wasn't too bad either.
But, I agree with you that Michael Laudrup is technically better than Lothar, Baresi, Maldini, there is no doubt about that.
He is just as good as these guys but probably not better. The difference is that Lothar, Baresi, Maldini played for the succesful clubs in the stronger league at that time, and won many honours at international stage. Although, Michael Laudrup didn't had such luck, I think at the end of the the award has to go to the players whose team has been successful. Just look at Major League Baseball. A-Rod is undoubtedly beside Bonds, the best player in the Major Leauge, and ceratinly the best in American leauge. And yet, it was Tajeda who won the MVP since the A's were signigicantly better than the Rangers. Mattaus won the Serie A with Inter 89, a World Cup with West Germany in 90 and Runners up in 86. Maldini and Baresi won so many awards, it is unbelievable. These players probably deserved more than Laudrup.
But, I totally agree with you that Laudrup is one of the all time greats to play the game, and who would forget the Amazing Danes in 92, and give, star studded Brazil a real scare in 98. That shows the quality of Laudrup. He was some players. But I don't think there is any political prejudice which prevented him from winning the World Player Award or prestigious Balon d'or.
After all, FIFA World Player Award is decided by the vote of national team coaches, whose country is registered as a member of FIFA. And no continent has majority votes to alter the results.
Although, Milan did not win the leauge, they won the champions league in that if I remeber it correctly.
. Also, as you have mentioned, a wonderful performance by Van Basten and Gullit to best then an allmighty West Germany in their own backyard was some achievement. Van Basten's goal, which is arguably the greatest ever, was some sight. Gullit's pass wasn't too bad either.But, I agree with you that Michael Laudrup is technically better than Lothar, Baresi, Maldini, there is no doubt about that.
He is just as good as these guys but probably not better. The difference is that Lothar, Baresi, Maldini played for the succesful clubs in the stronger league at that time, and won many honours at international stage. Although, Michael Laudrup didn't had such luck, I think at the end of the the award has to go to the players whose team has been successful. Just look at Major League Baseball. A-Rod is undoubtedly beside Bonds, the best player in the Major Leauge, and ceratinly the best in American leauge. And yet, it was Tajeda who won the MVP since the A's were signigicantly better than the Rangers. Mattaus won the Serie A with Inter 89, a World Cup with West Germany in 90 and Runners up in 86. Maldini and Baresi won so many awards, it is unbelievable. These players probably deserved more than Laudrup.
But, I totally agree with you that Laudrup is one of the all time greats to play the game, and who would forget the Amazing Danes in 92, and give, star studded Brazil a real scare in 98. That shows the quality of Laudrup. He was some players. But I don't think there is any political prejudice which prevented him from winning the World Player Award or prestigious Balon d'or.
After all, FIFA World Player Award is decided by the vote of national team coaches, whose country is registered as a member of FIFA. And no continent has majority votes to alter the results.
Funnily michael missed Euro92
, as he was in dispute with Mols-Nielsen, i think,Maldin can hardly be regarded as underated and when I say underated I just do not mean the powers that be who dish out awards, I am talking about fans as well. I am sure if you ask the greatest defenders of all time Baresi and Maldini will prop up in most lists but if you ask ppl to mention best attacking midfilders Laudrup will hardly get a mention. When I say political bias, I am not just referring to Laudrup, so many players have been slighted due to Fifa and Uefa's biasI personally feel Italians are overated as players who are good are mentioned as great like Maresca, Cassano, Pirlo, Baronio and so many more, you go to Argentina or Brazil, there are so many more players with far more ability, that we do not hear of
++ [ originally posted by denco ] ++
I am not sure why you keep bringing up the name Matthaus as he will be in my all time greatest team and he totally deserved his award in 1990
Funnily michael missed Euro92, as he was in dispute with Mols-Nielsen, i think,Maldin can hardly be regarded as underated and when I say underated I just do not mean the powers that be who dish out awards, I am talking about fans as well. I am sure if you ask the greatest defenders of all time Baresi and Maldini will prop up in most lists but if you ask ppl to mention best attacking midfilders Laudrup will hardly get a mention. When I say political bias, I am not just referring to Laudrup, so many players have been slighted due to Fifa and Uefa's bias
I personally feel Italians are overated as players who are good are mentioned as great like Maresca, Cassano, Pirlo, Baronio and so many more, you go to Argentina or Brazil, there are so many more players with far more ability, that we do not hear of
I am not sure why you keep bringing up the name Matthaus as he will be in my all time greatest team and he totally deserved his award in 1990
Funnily michael missed Euro92
, as he was in dispute with Mols-Nielsen, i think,Maldin can hardly be regarded as underated and when I say underated I just do not mean the powers that be who dish out awards, I am talking about fans as well. I am sure if you ask the greatest defenders of all time Baresi and Maldini will prop up in most lists but if you ask ppl to mention best attacking midfilders Laudrup will hardly get a mention. When I say political bias, I am not just referring to Laudrup, so many players have been slighted due to Fifa and Uefa's biasI personally feel Italians are overated as players who are good are mentioned as great like Maresca, Cassano, Pirlo, Baronio and so many more, you go to Argentina or Brazil, there are so many more players with far more ability, that we do not hear of
Having said that, even John Jensen had a good tournament,:LOL:. And Peter Schemichel was a monster between the posts. Also, a handball from Kim Billforts, (I can't really remember his name) was handy as well.. All in all though, Danes throughly deserved to win the tournament.I agree and yet disagree with you on the statement that Argentinian and Brazilian players are often underrated. I think the famous Brazilian and Argentinians are extremely overrated. For instance, Ronaldinho, did very little through out his career yet because of one good world cup his considered as a world class player. World Class talent he may be, but he has yet to impress me as a world class player. Same applies for D'ale. An outrageous talent but he needs to mature as a football player before considered as a world class. Nelson Cuevas, a Paraguaian forward is just as good dribbler as Ronaldhino or D'ale and a very exciting talent and yet I don't see people dubbing as the new "Ronaldo". or new "Maradona".
On the average Brazilian football player, I can't agree more that they are extremely underrated. Edilson, is a tremendous talent and yet not many consider him as a good player. Kaka, is another fantasitc player and Polga to is pretty handy. Yet, they are not the household names like some European players. Leao, who played in the Confederation Cup a year ago was very impressive, and yet Brazil has a truck full of good left backs at home.
.I do have to disagree with you though on Maresca. I have seen him play as a captain of Italy under 19s in Toulon, and there he was one the outstanding players in the tournament. Edilson of Portugal looked a better prospect at that time, but Maresca did himself no harm. And he quickly followed that with commanding display against Inter in the friendly. At that time, I couldn't believe what a talent he was! He played in a Tacchinardi role and his passing was precise, reading of the game was good. and he made few challenges. A complete midfielder! His game improved since then, and I think his technical ability is beyond recognition and now he can fill in the attacking roles as well.
I think Cassano, is only one out of the list that is overrated. Sure, the boy can dribble and do few tricks but he has yet to convince me that he has a major weapon in his game.
++ [ originally posted by Jun-hide ] ++
:doh:, my memory went blur and as you have mentioned Michael Laudrup didn't play in that tournament. His brother Brian did, though, and he had a really good tournament. Having said that, even John Jensen had a good tournament,:LOL:. And Peter Schemichel was a monster between the posts. Also, a handball from Kim Billforts, (I can't really remember his name) was handy as well.. All in all though, Danes throughly deserved to win the tournament.
:doh:, my memory went blur and as you have mentioned Michael Laudrup didn't play in that tournament. His brother Brian did, though, and he had a really good tournament.
Having said that, even John Jensen had a good tournament,:LOL:. And Peter Schemichel was a monster between the posts. Also, a handball from Kim Billforts, (I can't really remember his name) was handy as well.. All in all though, Danes throughly deserved to win the tournament.
John "Faxe" Jensen was a great player, no need to mock him like that. Implying that he only did good during Euro 92'...
Kim Vilfort didn't touch the ball with his hands! It's been discussed for last 10 years... If you watch closely, its clear that he brings it down with his shoulder... which is allowed in football! The ref wasn't as blind as rest of the world (especially Germany) so Denmark got that goal... which was fair and right.
Sorry for snapping there... but I'm just so tired of people saying that it was handballed...
Whether he handballed it or not, I am happy for the guy and the Danes.
If I remember it correctly, he had a daughter who was suffering from Leukeamia. :sob:
Also, Danish team spirit was just simply wonderful. They worked socks off for each other.:thumb:
And of course, you had the class of Brian Laudrup.
I still think John Jensen sucked, though.
If I remember it correctly, he had a daughter who was suffering from Leukeamia. :sob:
Also, Danish team spirit was just simply wonderful. They worked socks off for each other.:thumb:
And of course, you had the class of Brian Laudrup.
I still think John Jensen sucked, though.
++ [ originally posted by Jun-hide ] ++
I still think John Jensen sucked, though.
I still think John Jensen sucked, though.
He was good for Denmark and in the danish league. He didn't do that bad at Arsenal either...About Vilfort... his daughter got really sick right in the middle of the tournament... he almost missed the final. Scoring that goal meant so much to him, and I feel very sorry about all the people saying that he handballed... cuz he didn't.
