The MICHELE TREMANNARO Topic... (7 Viewers)

[Osman]

Let's start by dissecting your post bit by bit.

Bragging? Who was bragging, I just stated my opinion as simple as it gets.

I hate him? Where did I say that? All I said is that I would not want him at Juve.

Not wanting the best player at Juve might be true though, even if I didn't mention that but I have always liked my low-profile Juventus. Juventus bought Zidane for a couple of million and sold the world's best player in the world ever.

Back to Ronaldinho, do I find him brilliant? Not really, he has his moments of brilliance, he is a good player just not someone I fancy on my team.

And last but not least, do I look like I care if someone takes me seriously on that issue? You can take your good luck wish and ....

Ok, thats even weirder (it sounded like you meant regardless of how brilliant, you hate him and dont want him), he has been beyond brilliant in 2004,2005 and 2006. Last season was super effective season but he was deemed not great enough because of comparison to his previous insane performances.

Ronaldinho is only a good player? What are the rest then? Why wouldnt anyone want the worlds best player at Juve? Too high profile? Thats rather weak reason. Your opinion is no matter how utterly brilliant he is (which your first post seemed to indicate), you wouldnt still want him? Sorry but that just nonsensical hogwash, makes your opinion just be sentimental stubborness.

 

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[Osman]

What is it with you on and on about me hating Ronaldinho?

You said dont you dont want him regardless of how brilliant, assumed illogical sentiment like that is due to strong dislike.

 

[pavelnedved]

Back to Ronaldinho, do I find him brilliant? Not really, he has his moments of brilliance, he is a good player just not someone I fancy on my team.

And last but not least, do I look like I care if someone takes me seriously on that issue? You can take your good luck wish and ....

he can be brilliant. to me he's still the best in the world when he's on form. he can decide the game on his very own. however he hasn't performed to his standards for a very long time now. it's not about being finished but it's about mentality. he goes out, skips trainings and when he finally got benched he went to rijkaard and asked what the hell was going on. basically he wants a special treatment. i loved to watch him play but i don't want him at my juve.

 

[pavelnedved]

You said dont you dont want him regardless of how brilliant, assumed illogical sentiment like that is due to strong dislike.

lol. i think he can be brilliant and i don't want him too.

 

[Salvatore]

Kaka won the last world player of the year award. You base part of an argument on Dinho winning that, and then when someone else wins it you say that they didn't deserve it. You can't have it both ways. You are also going on how many goals each scored in the season, for how good they are in the season. Kaka carried Milan through last season. Back to laziness, Ronaldinho scored a lot of goals from dead ball situations last season, while Kaka was running around like hell. Ill just leave it here though because your mindless love for Ronaldinho is really irritating and you accuse people of a lot more things after they say the something, then blow that up beyond belief. Oh, and it IS on a similar annoyance scale to that.

 

[Lion]

Osman: Forget the word 'choke', I think you are understanding me wrongly with the word. He may have been one of the best player for some of those years, but he hasn't consistently been up to that standard.

Kaka scored 11 league goals last season, he carried Milan the majority of the time. Kaka's 06/07 season was worthy of winning the best in the world. You taking away credit from that is laughable.

He was not the best in the world though. Barbie Ronaldo and Messi were way ahead of him.

 

[JCK]

Ok, thats even weirder (it sounded like you meant regardless of how brilliant, you hate him and dont want him), he has been beyond brilliant in 2004,2005 and 2006. Last season was super effective season but he was deemed not great enough because of comparison to his previous insane performances.

Ronaldinho is only a good player? What are the rest then? Why wouldnt anyone want the worlds best player at Juve? Too high profile? Thats rather weak reason. Your opinion is no matter how utterly brilliant he is (which your first post seemed to indicate), you wouldnt still want him? Sorry but that just nonsensical hogwash, makes your opinion just be sentimental stubborness.

Maybe I am stubborn maybe I am crazy but one thing you should know is that I don't hate Ronaldinho.

Then again all you have done since I said my opinion is bash it, do you see me attacking your opinion? You have just taken the whole thing personally as you are Ronaldinho's agent and I am the one who's going to sign him.

Dude, with all respect, I simply don't want Ronaldinho at Juventus, it all ends here for me on this subject just don't go stuffing things in my mouth.

 

[Cronios]

perhaps it's Mancini? He seems a realistic target, as opposed to Diego or Ronaldinho.

I really like that idea

it's about personality and character and not football skills, smartass

What do you mean? i was referring to the topic starter's article, his assumptions, the obsession Juve has with the DMs and CR's strange evaluation of players, of who is world class and who isnt.
I just wanted to point out the fact, that our managers, are not looking at AMFs, despite the fans wishes.
So i skipped all the talks about those AMFs and the dispute over their character
since i found it irrelevant...
I think it was a misunderstanding there:toast:


PS Ronaldinho would be great, nike could help us fund his transfer,
just like it was speculated, they will for Inter ...
BUT there is absolutely no chance in earth that we would sign him, for a trillion of reasons!

 

[xuxa19]

hey Osman .. u r really hipped about dinjo.. just remind that football is not fucking tennis .. to play just one player .... and to compare who is best one in one.. its all a team ... and when u want to rise a parallel between dinjo and Kaka for last season u also need to rise a parallel between Eto - Inzagi, Gila - Messi, Sedorf - Deco, Gatusso - Xavi, Iniesat - Brochi , Pirlo - Edmilson, Cafu - Belleti ) to get a fairly decision.... and even the worst moron will see that Kaka is that one...

 

[Osman]

Another illerate kid


Salvatore, its not different standards for Kaka and Ronnie, its different performances. When Ronaldinho won they won cl and league and he was the best player in both. For Kaka winning the award, he was only great in CL and average in the league. He did little in the league and was far from one of the best.

 

[Zé Tahir]

Fan va kaxig du är Osman, softa ner lite

 

[Osman]

Du kanske har vant dig, men det är rena twillight zone att massa fjortisar med zero logik säger spelare som Ronaldinho är inte bra för ingen andledning.

Och nej jag menar inte dig JCK

 

[Zé Tahir]

Du kanske har vant dig, men det är rena twillight zone att massa fjortisar med zero logik säger spelare som Ronaldinho är inte bra för ingen andledning.

Och nej jag menar inte dig JCK

Ahh jag förstår va du menar..folk här har något imot brassar, jag har typ blivit immun mot det vid det här läget.

 

[Bjerknes]

Osman IS right. Too many people here dislike Ronaldinho for ridiculous reasons, one of which is because of the ongoing feud with m_elayyan and the fact that a supposed Juventus fan also likes Barcelona. Moreover, there are even some fools on this forum who say no to Ronaldinho because he's UGLY. Guess you could conclude there are a lot of faggots on this forum.

Every time a discussion about Ronaldinho pops up, the idiocy always oozes out on to the internet. And perhaps the most idiotic logic I've ever read regarding this discussion is the fools who don't want Ronaldinho because it is somehow, someway, "not Juve tradition." The people who state that should have their teethsliced off. What the fuck are you people talking about. Thankfully, however, Osman brought up Omar Sivori to teach people a little something about "Juve tradition."

Fact is, Ronaldinho is far better than any player we have right now and it's simply idiotic to say no to his transfer. And this is coming from someone who hates Beckham but agreed that his arrival would have helped out of the side. Don't be a biased fool.

 

[xuxa19]

like i said u r hipped on Dinjo ... nd im not aginst his arrivial .. but when he say that Dinjo is beter than Kaka then i really disaprove that, becouse for me Kaka is that one who has Master degree for that what is football and tactic`s on filed while Dinjo is one who just begun barcheloor and fail there

 

[Salvatore]

Salvatore, its not different standards for Kaka and Ronnie, its different performances. When Ronaldinho won they won cl and league and he was the best player in both. For Kaka winning the award, he was only great in CL and average in the league. He did little in the league and was far from one of the best.

Kaka carried Milan. Scoring goals doesn't mean good performances, Kaka does a lot more in midfield than Dinho and works harder. He is more complete now, and he is a much better player.

 

[xuxa19]

Kaka carried Milan. Scoring goals doesn't mean good performances, Kaka does a lot more in midfield than Dinho and works harder. He is more complete now, and he is a much better player.

 

[Osman]

Thanks for the low down Andy, I couldnt for the love of me grasp the retarded reason he was getting so much moronic hate. But its some childish feud with someone else? How simplistic to carry over a grudge to a player.

And yeah, The "proper" personality for a Juve player was being mentionned, and I tried to hint at how foolishly simplistic it is to harp on such a notion by bringing up Sivori (one of our biggiest legends). Thinking they atleast know a little of how he was as a player and person (the ULTRA loose cannon primadonna), but it seems to have gone on deaf ears.

Kaka carried Milan. Scoring goals doesn't mean good performances, Kaka does a lot more in midfield than Dinho and works harder. He is more complete now, and he is a much better player.

Is Kaka carrying Milan in the league now? NO, scored couple regular goals and 8 or so pks. Otherwise he has been mediocre. Last season he was even worse. He wasnt good in the league. Milan sucked last season in the league, and their star players were quite average due to that. He was BRILLIANT in the CL (and mainly the playoffs). I mentionned only the goals just to illustrate how poor he has, but much worse players scored more and played better. He was far from the top 10 players of the league in rating. It was in general a bad league season for him. It doesnt change the fact he was brilliant in the CL.

But in comparison when Ronaldinho won his awards, he was by heaps and bounds best player in CL and the league. I'm not sure if its collective amnesia, but you do recall just a couple of years ago the whole world considered him by far the undisputed best player in the world?

 

[Zaim]

Why keep talking about Ronaldinho? He's never coming to Juve.

 

[Salvatore]

Is Kaka carrying Milan in the league now? NO, scored couple regular goals and 8 or so pks. Otherwise he has been mediocre. Last season he was even worse. He hasnt good in the league. Milan sucked last season in the league, and their star players were quite average due to that. He was BRILLIANT in the CL. I mentionned only the goals just to illustrate how poor he has, but much worse players scored more and played better. He was far from the top 10 players of the league in rating. It was in general a bad league season for him. It doesnt change the fact he was brilliant in the CL.

But in comparison when Ronaldinho won his awards, he was by heaps and bounds best player in CL and the league. I'm not sure if its collective amnesia, but you do recall just a couple of years ago the whole world considered by far the undisputed player of the world?

4 goals 4 penalties. Kaka apologises for scoring the penalties, in future he will sky them over and score other ways. You do realise that Ronaldinho scores many from penalties each season, and with the number of penalties Barca get each season, that would be a lot.

Bold part. Its the clubs fault why you think the players were utter shite?

Instead of scoring, Kaka tries to set up the strikers for goals. Oliveira was dog shit last season. Gilardino scored 12 as their top scorer, which is below average for a top club. Pippo didn't set the world alight.

Oh, and you say it all in the last sentence. A couple of years ago he was considered the greatest by many. Now, he isn't up to the standards he was then.