I won't comment on the whole topic, but I just liked your description for that man. I don't really understand if that's a positive or negative description. "last most informed man" :confused2
I guess so.
I guess so.
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Barcelona players aren't overrated in these competitions. Barca won the double the CL and La Liga at the same time playing the best football in the world. And in these years we have seen how team that focus on the CL stugggle in their league campaigns ( Villareal, Liverpool, Milan, Lazio) there is no way you can consider a team of players that won the league title and the CL at the same time overrated (and consider they have a average coach) you have to be very good to be able to do that.
hate them all you want, their achievements and their abilities is amazing.
hate them all you want, their achievements and their abilities is amazing.
Salvatore, you SAID you choked on me saying Ronaldinho has been the best players for years, which he has been, winning the awards and being unanimously considered head and shoulders above the rest.
Kaka is great, but not Ronaldinho level. A lazy and bratty Ronaldinho who was half of his usual self was still better effective wise then Kaka last season (the difference Ronaldinho has insane expectations), he was 2 times better then him in the league (Kaka did shit in the league, 7 goals, ronaldinho 22 goals), difference was Kaka in CL, which was all that mattered for most.
Ronaldinho is having troubles, and its not getting better with all that pressure, but he would without question be back to himself (more likely if he leaves, but can with Barca too), its just a slump, winning too much and getting complacent. Is still quite young enough.
No offense, Mutu is an excellent player, but by no means can he be compared to Ronaldinho. AT ALL (Barca's players arent overrated, the produce as what they are, beyond great players, Mutu would be benched there and is not as good as either of their 4 stars). And yeah you have reasons enough to not be impressed with him lately, he is having issues, but not the kind you cant easily come back from. Also said its impossible for us to get him for money reasons, but if we could do so financially, we should for sure.
Kaka is great, but not Ronaldinho level. A lazy and bratty Ronaldinho who was half of his usual self was still better effective wise then Kaka last season (the difference Ronaldinho has insane expectations), he was 2 times better then him in the league (Kaka did shit in the league, 7 goals, ronaldinho 22 goals), difference was Kaka in CL, which was all that mattered for most.
Ronaldinho is having troubles, and its not getting better with all that pressure, but he would without question be back to himself (more likely if he leaves, but can with Barca too), its just a slump, winning too much and getting complacent. Is still quite young enough.
No offense, Mutu is an excellent player, but by no means can he be compared to Ronaldinho. AT ALL (Barca's players arent overrated, the produce as what they are, beyond great players, Mutu would be benched there and is not as good as either of their 4 stars). And yeah you have reasons enough to not be impressed with him lately, he is having issues, but not the kind you cant easily come back from. Also said its impossible for us to get him for money reasons, but if we could do so financially, we should for sure.
Care to tell me? (yeah lecture me on Juve history...) I'm allways corious on the convenient and simplistic argumenting of others. Yes, its against the Juve code to sign one of the best players and most skilled players in the world, your vague notion of is the be and all word of how Juve are and supposed to be.
I guess you are referring to him not being the best possible professional and exemplary role model? Can I ask you something, I dont need even to go that far back, but....do you know who Omar Sivori is?
I guess you are referring to him not being the best possible professional and exemplary role model? Can I ask you something, I dont need even to go that far back, but....do you know who Omar Sivori is?
how does dinho behave unprofesionally? i hope that you don't think that going to clubs is unprofessional. what matters is that he is in a good state to give his best for the club, and at juve he can achieve that. new atmosphere, new ambitions and objectives, no media circus or turmoil that barca has. plus, i heard that torino's nightlife sucks compared to barcelona's.
Zlatan behaved unprofessionally while leaving Ajax, and bit spoilt and childish at times while playing for us, got in to fights, and while leaving refused to train because he wanted to leave. So even though not the worst of the worst, did not behave that professionally. Unlike most here, I like him quite alot as a player. So no bias or hate against him. But he isnt more professional then Ronaldinho, is a player looking after nr one.
Its about personality and character? We had Zlatan, and Camoranesi is rather bit of a prick
Has bit immature and hotheaded personality and acts bit iffy at times. BUt I dont see anyone saying anything against him (as we shouldnt, he plays football, doesnt need to be saint). On the pitch or off the pitch, Ronaldinho in general hasnt been involved in any fights or aggressions (like the two above), is that hotheaded. Is just a usual player, other then he likes to fiesta a bit too much But other then that not much of troublemaker mostly in his career.
We had many not that perfect role models in the past. Considering you pretending like you are the sole judge of stilo Juve, do you happen to recall the Juve legend Sivori? Played at the time the notion stilo Juve was being molded.
Its about personality and character? We had Zlatan, and Camoranesi is rather bit of a prick
Has bit immature and hotheaded personality and acts bit iffy at times. BUt I dont see anyone saying anything against him (as we shouldnt, he plays football, doesnt need to be saint). On the pitch or off the pitch, Ronaldinho in general hasnt been involved in any fights or aggressions (like the two above), is that hotheaded. Is just a usual player, other then he likes to fiesta a bit too much But other then that not much of troublemaker mostly in his career.We had many not that perfect role models in the past. Considering you pretending like you are the sole judge of stilo Juve, do you happen to recall the Juve legend Sivori? Played at the time the notion stilo Juve was being molded.
Osman: Forget the word 'choke', I think you are understanding me wrongly with the word. He may have been one of the best player for some of those years, but he hasn't consistently been up to that standard.
Kaka scored 11 league goals last season, he carried Milan the majority of the time. Kaka's 06/07 season was worthy of winning the best in the world. You taking away credit from that is laughable.
Kaka scored 11 league goals last season, he carried Milan the majority of the time. Kaka's 06/07 season was worthy of winning the best in the world. You taking away credit from that is laughable.
Let's start by dissecting your post bit by bit.
Bragging? Who was bragging, I just stated my opinion as simple as it gets.
I hate him? Where did I say that? All I said is that I would not want him at Juve.
Not wanting the best player at Juve might be true though, even if I didn't mention that but I have always liked my low-profile Juventus. Juventus bought Zidane for a couple of million and sold the world's best player in the world ever.
Back to Ronaldinho, do I find him brilliant? Not really, he has his moments of brilliance, he is a good player just not someone I fancy on my team.
And last but not least, do I look like I care if someone takes me seriously on that issue? You can take your good luck wish and ....
You said you choked on me saying he has been the best for years, one can only read it as you are shocked that someone would say that about Ronaldinho. And yes indeed, he did keep that level consistently and was better then the others.
Kaka scored 8 league goals, he had VERY average league season, and is continuing that form for this season (he is scoring almost all pks). He has been criticised by even MIlan fans for his not that good league season last season. He was amazing in the CL only. Ronaldinho was much better him in the league, he scored 22, only few less then pichichi Ruud. And competed for most assists too.
Kaka scored 8 league goals, he had VERY average league season, and is continuing that form for this season (he is scoring almost all pks). He has been criticised by even MIlan fans for his not that good league season last season. He was amazing in the CL only. Ronaldinho was much better him in the league, he scored 22, only few less then pichichi Ruud. And competed for most assists too.
quite true, he has his temper and when he left ajax he still seemed like an adolescent. but when he played for us he had the same mindset as his teammates. he still has this at inter now. ronaldinho lost it there.
i still blame him for the way he left, not because he did leave but because he didn't have the balls to say a word, his agent did all the talking. but he did make it quite obvious, in his own childish way, that he wanted to leave. we shouldn't be surprised about it because he's a really self-involved person. but now he's at inter and look how good it works out ... again.
i still blame him for the way he left, not because he did leave but because he didn't have the balls to say a word, his agent did all the talking. but he did make it quite obvious, in his own childish way, that he wanted to leave. we shouldn't be surprised about it because he's a really self-involved person. but now he's at inter and look how good it works out ... again.