The Immigration Issue (9 Viewers)

Max

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Jul 15, 2003
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But that 6 year-old grows up in the presence of his father who brought him to whatever country they emigrated to. Therefore, the 6 year-old follows in the footsteps of his father, and doesn't become assimilated.
Maybe the American experience is a bit different, but immigrants usually get on well where I'm from. This could be due to the fact that these minority groups tend to stick together (social clubs) and help each other out when getting started here. The schools are pretty tolerant of other races and religions, even in Catholic school, which used to be incredibly strict on religion until recent years. It was super rare for a kid to be left out just because he or she was an immigrant, and if someone was left out or made fun of our parents would tear into us. Maybe there's greater understanding of the that difficult situation because we're all immigrants here...who knows?

That 6 year-old kid probably wouldn't have too much trouble fitting in at school, but I can see how a difficult situation (eg. the father not being able to find work) would probably affect the social life of the child (shame, embarrassment, etc...).
 

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Bjerknes

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    Maybe the American experience is a bit different, but immigrants usually get on well where I'm from. This could be due to the fact that these minority groups tend to stick together (social clubs) and help each other out when getting started here. The schools are pretty tolerant of other races and religions, even in Catholic school, which used to be incredibly strict on religion until recent years. It was super rare for a kid to be left out just because he or she was an immigrant, and if someone was left out or made fun of our parents would tear into us. Maybe there's greater understanding of the that difficult situation because we're all immigrants here...who knows?

    That 6 year-old kid probably wouldn't have too much trouble fitting in at school, but I can see how a difficult situation (eg. the father not being able to find work) would probably affect the social life of the child (shame, embarrassment, etc...).
    I'm not sure about Canada, but they seem to be more open regarding all sorts of issues. Here, various people seem to demonize immigrants, but this has only happened in the last decade or so.

    This reminds me of the Michael Moore film, "Bowling for Columbine", where he tried to figure out why the US has so much gun violence. We still don't have any answer for any of this stuff, weapons or immigration. Just makes me wonder.
     
    Jun 13, 2007
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    Personally, my family emigated to the Emirates when I was about 40 days old. I spent the first 12 years of my life over there. I knew nothing about Lebanon before then, I just knew I came from there. I was vitually a Emarati citizen, I even spoke in their arabic accent. All my friends came from different cultures, I guess you can say I never had any sense of nationalism or any of that bullshit. I take pride in that.
     

    Zé Tahir

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    I think the reason for emigration and the mind-set makes a big difference. I've noticed immigrants in the United States integrate a lot quicker and easier into society than in Sweden. Immigrants usually come here to find jobs and for their kids education while immigrants to Sweden are mostly asylum seekers. These asylum seekers all get housed in the same area and most of them just lounge around. Their kids run around and are up to no good mostly.

    All this can be a lot of cause of irritation amongst locals who are paying taxes that feed these people so one can understand the animosity. Luckily, when these kids reach the age of 18 and all that welfare money stops rolling in to them they get a reality check and get jobs.

    I guess that's just the process it takes and people have to be patient. After all that's why these countries open their arms and take them in anyway. It pays off in the long run and I don't see anything wrong with that. It helps society because it helps the economy.
     

    Max

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    I'm not sure about Canada, but they seem to be more open regarding all sorts of issues. Here, various people seem to demonize immigrants, but this has only happened in the last decade or so.

    This reminds me of the Michael Moore film, "Bowling for Columbine", where he tried to figure out why the US has so much gun violence. We still don't have any answer for any of this stuff, weapons or immigration. Just makes me wonder.
    Boh, let's just embrace the brilliance that is shawarma.
     

    Bozi

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    Oct 18, 2005
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    #27
    Listen, my message is simple: naggars, jews, homosexuals, mexi'cans, a-rabs and all kinds of different chanks stink and I hate 'em!
    why you wanna go hating on Rabeh?:shocked:

    as for Immo's,well, america was built on Immo's,who landed in another country,befriended the locals and then stole their land,forced them to talk their language,beliefs and introduced them to their alcohol.

    maybe all Immo issues should be governed by the native americans
     

    v1rtu4l

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    i think many things depend on the country itself and its domestic native people.

    i have got the impression, that many countries have especially one or two foreign immigrant groups they got certain problems with ...

    i think in france there were some "black" groups that appear to be a problem for some parts of the society. in italy the gipsies are the unwanted immigrants and in germany there are mostly islamic people that get the hate or discrimmination ...

    sometimes it is their own fault, sometimes it's not ... but that is the way life goes ... anyone is a bit racist
     

    Ahmed

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    Sep 3, 2006
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    born and raised in the UAE, but have no delusions in believing that I belong here...I ain't a UAE citizen and will never be one, and will always be a foreigner here...the govt. and the nationals are not open to other cultures and races, what they show in the media with Dubai being the NYC of the East is pure BS...there is a clear divide where double standards and blatant injustice prevails
     

    v1rtu4l

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    , what they show in the media with Dubai being the NYC of the East is pure BS...there is a clear divide where double standards and blatant injustice prevails
    what they show in the media is influenced by the politics everywhere ...
    in the western world the media claims that the chinese are idiots because they get manipulated by the media, but the western media are manipulating us as well but no one notices that (perhaps just like in china where few notice it there, i dont know)...

    talking ones country good can be found everywhere .... just had a laugh few month ago, when i read some paper in leipzig where was written "Leipzig, the little Paris"
     

    JCK

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    May 11, 2004
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    It all depends on why one has emigrated and then the whole thing goes down to the individual and what he or she wants out of the move.
     

    Enron

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    Oct 11, 2005
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    #34
    One issue that would solve this would be open borders and a NA union thing like in Europe. Many immigrants come to our country to find jobs especially along the US-Mexico border. In fact there are a huge number of Americans who work in Mexico. Having an open border for folks to go to and from work everyday would reduce the amount of people who needed reside illegally in the US in order to hold a job.

    Let's be honest, immigrants, illegal or otherwise, play a huge role in our country. They do a lot of the jobs Americans are "too good for". It's quite unAmerican to be against immigration. We are supposed to be "the great melting pot".
     
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    Bjerknes

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    One issue that would solve this would be open borders and a NA union thing like in Europe. Many immigrants come to our country to find jobs especially along the US-Mexico border. In fact there are a huge number of Americans who work in Mexico. Having an open border for folks to go to and from work everyday would reduce the amount of people who needed reside illegally in the US in order to hold a job.

    Let's be honest, immigrants, illegal or otherwise, play a huge role in our country. They do a lot of the jobs Americans are "too good for". It's quite unAmerican to be against immigration. We are supposed to be "the great melting pot".
    The North American Union could be a real possibility. With the current economic collapse and US debt, there might be incentive to create such a union between nations. The NA Union currency of the Amero is already under discussion if the dollar becomes worthless. Google that shit.

    People would be outraged if it happens, especially if free borders with Mexico is allowed.
     

    Maher

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    Dec 16, 2002
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    already i have been accepted for immigration to australia but i did not move there till now since i visited australia twice in the last 2 years and the searching for jobs is not promising till now and with the depression i think it is worse now.
     

    The Arif

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    Jan 31, 2004
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    #38
    already i have been accepted for immigration to australia but i did not move there till now since i visited australia twice in the last 2 years and the searching for jobs is not promising till now and with the depression i think it is worse now.
    Why am I not surprised about this?
     

    Vinman

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    Jul 16, 2002
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    ßüякε;1833764 said:
    I'm against illegal immigration obviously, but I think that anyone who came here illegally should get out.

    If you do it, do it legally.

    Our ancestors did.
    exactly
     

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