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Alen · Dec 3, 2008

I hear that Lyon want Gourcuff badly. Assuming that they will get +35m eur for Benzema, i believe they'll be financially just as powerful, or even more powerful, than we will in the summer and they will be ready to offer Milan the wanted price. They can also involve some players in the transfer (hopefully Boumsong

).
Of course, if the options for Milan are sell him to Juve and sell him to Lyon, they will choose the French champs.

Ahmed · Dec 3, 2008

that makes sense...Juninho is what, 34 now? they will need another guy in the middle of the park to pull the strings and create

Sir Psycho Sexy · Dec 3, 2008

Ahmed said:

yeah bring back bojinov!!! now!!

... he was my fav back in serie b!

chester · Dec 3, 2008

If Gourcouff is reachable and if he can add something to the team, then I don't mind at all that he is/was a Milan player.
Zanetti and Canna were Inter players, didn't hear anyone complain about that once they were playing on their best, the same for when Abbiati was here to replace Buffon.

A players former club is forgotten soon when he is playing well for our team.

Alen · Dec 3, 2008

Mark said:

20m eur+ 7m eur additional clauses based on appearances and success.
So Real won't be paying 20m as we expected and it probably won't be 27m because winning the CL is probably included in these additional clauses, but it will surely be ~25m eur.

@Cronios,
As it turns out, he's not cheaper than Amauri

Salvatore · Dec 3, 2008

Valencia are close to bankruptcy. Lets help them out.

Albertmare · Dec 3, 2008

Salvatore said:

Albiol and Villa :eyebrows:

Marc · Dec 3, 2008

Nesta_Juventino said:

juvesat said:

What a bunch of gibberish. Everything you just said is false.

v1rtu4l · Dec 3, 2008

i don't know what this gourcouff gibberish is all about.

he already got a few chances at milan and did not make it ... now in a weaker league he flourishes ... what does this tell us ?

he will not get more chances with us than he had with milan and i really don't see a reason he should be better for us than for milan.

to freshen up your memories ... milan thought the same when they bought him "hey he is cool in the french league ... lets try him" ...

DelpieroForLife · Dec 3, 2008

Gourcuff is a very good player but having the likes of Kaka and Seedorf didn't give him any breathing space at Milan.

Firestarter · Dec 3, 2008

Alen said:

Damn, I hope they go for an alternative and leave him for us; but it's more likely that we do that.

v1rtu4l said:

Alen · Dec 3, 2008

v1rtu4l said:

You may be right but there is also a big chance that you're wrong.
As mentioned, it was tough for a 20yo kid to find space in the team that had Kaka, Seedorf and Pirlo in midfield. Team that eventually won the CL that year.
The next year it was even tougher for the kid. Ancelotti seemed to stick to the same midfield, no matter how awful Pirlo and Seedorf played.
Of course, when given a chance (which usually happened in the last 10-15 minutes of the match), Gourcuff didn't take it, but you will agree that apart from lack of playing time, the problem was also psychological at this point.

I think Gourcuff can be a very good player not just because he's great with Bordaux but because he is the best player of the French NT in these qualifiers for the WC.
I only saw him against Serbia where he was amazing and a clear MOtM, but i hear that he was just as amazing on all the other matches he played for France.

Milan, or to be more precise, Ancelotti, had absolutely no patience with Gourcuff. Someone who was 19-21 needed a lot more faith.
Domenech had faith in Gourcuff and he flourished with the French NT and in the league.
He has shown to the world that he's extremely talented and he has huge potential. He is already one of the best players in the French NT.
It's up to the coach of the next big club Gourcuff will go to, to show a little more faith, and the boy will pay him back.

v1rtu4l · Dec 3, 2008

did you know that gourcuff had 36 appearances for milan ? i dont consider this "to few chances" ...

on the other hand i did not see him play for france, but as always i am a sceptic

tibike · Dec 3, 2008

Alen said:

As mentioned, it was tough for a 20yo kid to find space in the team that had Kaka, Seedorf and Pirlo in midfield. Team that eventually won the CL that year.
The next year it was even tougher for the kid. Ancelotti seemed to stick to the same midfield, no matter how awful Pirlo and Seedorf played.
Of course, when given a chance (which usually happened in the last 10-15 minutes of the match), Gourcuff didn't take it, but you will agree that apart from lack of playing time, the problem was also psychological at this point.

Kinda reminds me of a certain young player we have in our squad right now.

tibike · Dec 3, 2008

v1rtu4l said:

Not all players are impact players, not everyone can come off the bench and have a great game. And most of the players will tell you it's harder to come from the bench than play from the beginning.

Alen · Dec 3, 2008

v1rtu4l said:

We all followed Milan during those 2 years Gourcuff played there. We all saw how many minutes he played on these 36 matches.

I checked Acmilan.com for last year's stats and this is what i got. He played only on 15 matches in serie A :

1. Genoa-Milan 0:3. Gourcuff played from minute 82 till minute 90 (8 minutes)
2. Siena-Milan 1:1 Gourcuff played full match (90 minutes)
3. Lazio-Milan 1:5 Gourcuff played from minute 84 till minute 90 ( 6 minutes)
4. Milan-Empoli 0:1 Gourcuff played from 65-90 (25 minutes)
5. Sampdoria-Milan 0:5 Gourcuff played from 67-90 (23 minutes)
6. Milan-Torino 0:0 Gourcuff played from 79-90 (11 minutes)
7. Milan-Napoli 5:2 Gourcuff played from 80-90 (10 minutes)
8. Atalanta-Milan 2:1 Gourcuff played from 83-90 (7 minutes)
9. Reggina-Milan 0:1 Gourcuff played from 83-90 (7 minutes)
10.Milan-Livorno 1:1 Gourcuff played full match (90 minutes)
11.Milan-Palermo 2:1 Gourcuff played from 47-90 (43 minutes)
12.Milan-Lazio 1:1 Gourcuff played full match (90 minutes)
13.Empoli-Milan 1:3 Gourcuff played from minute 1-45 (45 minutes)
14.Milan-Cagliari 3:1 Gourcuff played from minute 75-90 (15 minutes)
15.Milan-Reggina 5:1 Gourcuff played from minute 80-90 (10 minutes)

Here you can check last season and the previous season: http://www.acmilan.com/infoPage.aspx?id=51068
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As you can see, he wasn't really given a chance. He started only 4 matches and he played total of 480 minutes (equals ~5 full matches).
In CL he was getting even less chances and in Coppa Milan were always eliminated in the first round so he wasn't getting any chances there either.

v1rtu4l · Dec 3, 2008

i see,

that really reminds me at giovincos situation with us ...

i say he would not get enough chances with us either ...

Badass J Elkann · Dec 3, 2008

Nesta_Juventino said:

no it wouldn't it would be as if ribery came to juve which he wont. ribery is not the answer, you make it sound like juve are sugar daddies and we can attract anyone we want, welcome to reality, we cant. and neither am i sure that ribery is that keen on leaving bayern.

Firestarter · Dec 3, 2008

Ribéry would add so much, but yeah it's a bit far-fetched.

Luca · Dec 3, 2008

Gourcuff would be good enough for me

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