The...I want this player to Juve thread (35 Viewers)

[Dominic]

I only want to ask why when certain players aren't performing it's Ranieri's fault but when certain players play the best football of their lives, it's not Ranieri who deserves the credit ?
The way Chiellini was transformed from a LB to one of the best central defenders in Italy,

Well Deschamps played Chiellini as CB first and it took an emergency situation for Ranieri to find out Chiellini is a good CB.

 

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[Alen]

Nice one bringing up this issue.
To your first comment:
We know DP and T-rez are playing well this season and also Iaquinta, but the fact still remains that if our team were more balanced [I wonder why this is so hard if it wasnt for Ranieri's bad substitute and the boards awful signings] we could afford to use a guy like Palla that many consider as one of the emerging talents in Italian football. We see this case everytime when Barca play Bojan in big matches-in his true position, hell he has even started some matches. So Ranieri's ruining him.

To your second comment:
I think most of the people on this forum are nearly level headed [every now and then our emotions take the better of us], so I think they'll understand that the young chap has just gotta play.

To you third comment:
How do you define inferior, this guy's younger than the rest of our strikers, he hasn't achieved as much as they have, my God this dude's a budding star, you couldnt pile all that Pato pressure on his young shoulders, we're not that desperate [yet]. Hes not that bad a winger, he's miles better than Nocerino.

Ranieri played 3-4-2-1? doesnt he know he doesnt have the qualities to execute that kind of formation?

Conclusion:
Ranieri ruins him because the old moose doesn't know when, how or who to change anytime he wants to, and hes esposing the boy to alot of criticsms playing him out of position that people start to even doubt his abilities as a striker, and he's not inferior to our other srikers, hes learning, and we should encourage him more by giving him playing time in his natural position. I hope we never have to rely on other clubs everytime we need players, we should start learning to trust and use our own reservoirs.
Palladino would be a great striker if we invested more in him, he has shown he has the qualities, what more do you, Ruinieri, and the board want...give us back our young players, they're our future.

Yeah, i've read this hundreds of times already. Our youngsters must be given a chance because they are future stars.
If Nocerino wasn't given a chance i'm sure you would have written exactly the same things convincing me that Nocerino is the future world's best DMC. The same can be said for Criscito.

No matter how young someone is, if he's better than the others in the team he'll surely get his chance. Look at Chiellini and Sissoko.
Palladino is 23 and he was given a lot of chances and he didn't take them. I'm not saying we should get rid of him, far from that. I'm only saying that Ranieri didn't ruin the guy. Ranieri was actually trying to help Palla by giving him playing time, even though out of position. Time will tell if he did good, but Palladino's situation is different than Almiron's situation, for example.

Well Deschamps played Chiellini as CB first and it took an emergency situation for Ranieri to find out Chiellini is a good CB.

Deschamps never really trusted Chiellini as a CB. He was doing a Salihamidzic with him, playing him in another position every next match.
The u-21 coach was the first one who trusted Giorgio at CB and it was under Ranieri that Chiellini became a great CB.
It doesn't matter that it was an emergency. Pirlo as a deep lying playmaker was also an emergency, Zambrotta got his LB position not because Lippi thought he's better there but because Camo has shown that he's a much better midfielder than Zambrotta, so a place for Zambrotta should have been found.
That's why, for me at least, Ranieri "descovered" the huge potential Chiellini has as a CB, or better- as a leader of the defense, while Capello and Deschamps failed to see that.

 

[Juve_Kosova]

Yeah, i've read this hundreds of times already. Our youngsters must be given a chance because they are future stars.
If Nocerino wasn't given a chance i'm sure you would have written exactly the same things convincing me that Nocerino is the future world's best DMC. The same can be said for Criscito.

No matter how young someone is, if he's better than the others in the team he'll surely get his chance. Look at Chiellini and Sissoko.
Palladino is 23 and he was given a lot of chances and he didn't take them. I'm not saying we should get rid of him, far from that. I'm only saying that Ranieri didn't ruin the guy. Ranieri was actually trying to help Palla by giving him playing time, even though out of position. Time will tell if he did good, but Palladino's situation is different than Almiron's situation, for example.


Deschamps never really trusted Chiellini as a CB. He was doing a Salihamidzic with him, playing him in another position every next match.
The u-21 coach was the first one who trusted Giorgio at CB and it was under Ranieri that Chiellini became a great CB.
It doesn't matter that it was an emergency. Pirlo as a deep lying playmaker was also an emergency, Zambrotta got his LB position not because Lippi thought he's better there but because Camo has shown that he's a much better midfielder than Zambrotta, so a place for Zambrotta should have been found.
That's why, for me at least, Ranieri "descovered" the huge potential Chiellini has as a CB, or better- as a leader of the defense, while Capello and Deschamps failed to see that.

I like reading your posts, atleast when its about football

4real, I agree with you on this matter.. (Ranieri, Palla, Chiellini etc.)

 

[Mark]

for those of you up to it, put your top 3 players you would want with Juve next season by position.

like this

GK(backup):
D R:
D C:
D C:
D L:
M R:
M C:
DM:
M L:
AM C:
ST:
F C:

 

[Turk_Bianconero]

@Dominic

do you watch Feyenoord games?How is Nuri Sahin playing?

 

[Mark]

GK(backup): Mirante, Manninger, Gillet
D R: De Silvestri, Campagnaro, Zabaleta
D C: Mellberg
D C: Carvalho, Zapata, Piqué
D L: Vargas, De Ceglie, Dossena
M R: Quaresma, Joaquin, Barnetta
M C: Aquilani, Lucho, Cigarini
DM: Marchisio, Flamini, Veloso
M L: Silva, Capel, Mancini
AM C: Diego, Giovinco, Neves
ST: Huntelaar, Gomez, Jô
F C: van der Vaart, Amauri, Lavezzi

 

[Juve_Kosova]

GK(backup): Mirante, Manninger, Gillet
D R: De Silvestri, Campagnaro, Zabaleta
D C: Mellberg
D C: Carvalho, Zapata, Piqué
D L: Vargas, De Ceglie, Dossena
M R: Quaresma, Joaquin, Barnetta
M C: Aquilani, Lucho, Cigarini
DM: Marchisio, Flamini, Veloso
M L: Silva, Capel, Mancini
AM C: Diego, Giovinco, Neves
ST: Huntelaar, Gomez, Jô
F C: van der Vaart, Amauri, Lavezzi

Thoes in red for me..

 

[Joaco]

GK(backup): Mirante, Manninger, Gillet
D R: De Silvestri, Campagnaro, Zabaleta
D C: Mellberg
D C: Carvalho, Zapata, Piqué
D L: Vargas, De Ceglie, Dossena
M R: Quaresma, Joaquin, Barnetta
M C: Aquilani, Lucho, Cigarini
DM: Marchisio, Flamini, Veloso
M L: Silva, Capel, Mancini
AM C: Diego, Giovinco, Neves
ST: Huntelaar, Gomez, Jô
F C: van der Vaart, Amauri, Lavezzi

Yeah! me once again

For me:

Mirante
De Silvestri
Zapata
De Ceglie
Joaquin weee
Aquilani/ Cigarini (not really sure)
Marchisio, by far
Diego
Huntelaar
Lavezzi

 

[Mark]

They don't have to be my choices. A bit more originality dammit!

 

[soulslider]

G K: Mirante
D R: Sagna , Čorluka
D C: Carvalho ,Zapata
D L: Evra , Clichy , De Ceglie
M R: Ribery
M C: Essien , Gerrard
DM: Marchisio, Flamini , Mascherano
M L: Malouda , Capel
AM C: Giovinco , Modrić
ST: Huntelaar
F C: Drogba , Aguero

 

[Lion]

GK(backup): don't care
D R: Eboue, Di Silvestri, Maicon
D C: Zapata, Samuel, Carvalho
D L: Clichy, Vargas, Pasqual
M R: , Quaremsa
M C: Lampard, Modric, Montolivo
DM: Flamini
M L: Capel, Mancini, Silva
AM C: Diego, VDV, Nasri
ST: Berbatov, Rossi, Villa
F C: Aguero, Lavezzi

 

[RAMI-N]

G K: Guddicini, Roma, Mirante
D R: Sagnol, Ivanovic, ...
D C: Alex, Zapata, ...
D C: Meira, Lucio,...
D L: Zambrotta , ...
M R: Quaresma,...
M C: Lucho,Hamsik,...
DM: DeRossi
M L: ...
AM C: Diego,...
ST: KJH
F C: VDV

 

[Mark]

manicini

sounds like a new pasta or something.

 

[Lion]

because he's good.

 

[Mark]

because he's good.

I've heard of Roma's Mancini but not Manicini. I know it's a typo. It was funny though.

:scudetto:

 

[Christina]

GK(backup): Conisgli, Mirante
D R: Motta, De Silvestri
D C: Zapata, Mellberg, Coda
D C: Barzagli, P.Cannavaro
D L: Pisano, Vargas, Dossena
M R: Dessena, Russotto
M C: Cigarini, Aquilani, Hamsik
DM: Marchisio, De Rossi, Veloso
M L: Rosina (can be considered as an AMC also), De Ceglie, Mancini
AM C: Giovinco, VDV, Diego
ST: Toni, Huntelaar, Villa
F C: Amauri, Rossi, Aguero

 

[Ramin]

..

GK(backup): Mirante
D R: D. Alves
D C: Carvalho
D C: Pablo
D L: Vargas
M R: Joaquin
M C: Montolivo
DM: Iniesta
M L: Silva
AM C: VDV
ST: Villa, Torres
F C: Aguero, Rossi

 

[Quickfeet]

GK: Consigli, Mirante
RB: Motta, De Silvestri, Zabaleta
CB: Santacroce, Barzagli, Zapata
LB: Pisano, Accardi, Pasqual
DM: De Rossi, Marchisio, Veloso
CM: Cigarini, Dessena, Aquilani
LM: De Ceglie, David Silva
RM: Russotto, Quaresma
AM: Giovinco, Rosina, Lampard
FC: Rossi, Aguero, David Villa
ST: Huntelaar, Pazzini, Higuain

 

[Marceℓℓo]

manicini

sounds like a new pasta or something.

GK(backup): Mirante
D R: De Silvestri,Bosingwa,Pisano,Heitinga
D C: Piqué,Garay,Marco Rossi
D C: Zapata,Squillaci,Santacroce
D L: De Ceglie,Dede,Vargas
M R: Quaresma
M C: Aquilani,Joao Moutinho,Cigarini,Hamsik
DM: Raul Meireiles,Tinga,Marchisio
M L: Capel,Coentrao,Menez
AM C: Giovinco,Piatti,Leo Lima,Nasri,Russotto
ST:Gomis,Huntelaar,Lanzafame
F C: Benzema,Cassano

 

[Lion]

I've heard of Roma's Mancini but not Manicini. I know it's a typo. It was funny though.

:scudetto:

oh I knew it was a typo as well. I was just testing you