The games are afoot: general Euro 2004 discussion thread (7 Viewers)

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Bjerknes

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++ [ originally posted by River ] ++
Beckham was immature. Beckham has cooled down now.

Rooney is 18, he is inexperienced. How can anyone expect a player like him (so patriotic and determined to succed) to not have an aggressive streak. And its silly because you are assuming he said **** off, and big deal if he did, Thuram obviously did something to provoke it.
Its rather easy to read lips.

He hasnt spat in anyones face, he hasnt punched or kicked anyone, what has he done pushed thurams arm away? Make a hard tackle on a keeper in what was a tackle he was entitled to go for? You show me something thats so bad? Because i could sure as hell show you the same incidents in alot of players you praise.
Didn't I see Rooney elbow Makelele, or maybe it was Thuram. Not to mention other instances in the EPL.

I'm sure Zidane was a punk ass at his age as well. :rolleyes: Same with Del Piero.

Im not just sticking up for him because i am an england fan. But your going completely over the top.
...maybe a little....

Rooneys attitude is to do the absolute best he can. He never stops working for his team. Thats an attitude you dont want? What i meant is Italys forwards lack this quality.
Congrats to you that Italy is out. :groan: I know you're happy about it.
 

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Bjerknes

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This kind of behaviour bears witness to his immaturity.
It has nothing to do with being inexperienced.
Thats certainly right. If I was doing that kinda stuff as a Freshman in high school, my coach would have kicked me off the varsity team.
 

River

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++ [ originally posted by Andy ] ++
I'm sure Zidane was a punk ass at his age as well. :rolleyes: Same with Del Piero.
Hardly the point i was making. The point is he will cool down as he gets older.

I was the first to say he needs to control his anger sometimes. His first international games, and EPL games he was losing his cool all the time, the last games he hasnt done anything wrong at all. But with a player like Rooney you will always have that bite, without that he wouldnt be the same player.

Del Piero and Zidane do not have the same mentality as Rooney so to compare them with him is stupid again.

An example that might hit home with you. When Gattuso played for Glasgow Rangers he snapped all the time, he was out of control. With experience he now is a player with bite, but knows how to control himself.

For players like Gattuso, Davids, Keane and Rooney this is their edge. You dont not want to have it.

Anyway im done discussing Rooney. Just try not to overreact on the issue, and im sure you wouldnt even have an issue if he wasnt an English player.

++ [ originally posted by Andy ] ++
Congrats to you that Italy is out. :groan: I know you're happy about it.
You dont know what i want. Im not happy that Italy are out. Ive said before i love the Azzurri. But in this tournament they have dissapointed me except for 45mins v sweden. As a neutral i dont care who the team are, i just want to watch exciting games.
 

Bjerknes

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++ [ originally posted by River ] ++

Hardly the point i was making. The point is he will cool down as he gets older.

I was the first to say he needs to control his anger sometimes. His first international games, and EPL games he was losing his cool all the time, the last games he hasnt done anything wrong at all. But with a player like Rooney you will always have that bite, without that he wouldnt be the same player.

Del Piero and Zidane do not have the same mentality as Rooney so to compare them with him is stupid again.

An example that might hit home with you. When Gattuso played for Glasgow Rangers he snapped all the time, he was out of control. With experience he now is a player with bite, but knows how to control himself.

For players like Gattuso, Davids, Keane and Rooney this is their edge. You dont not want to have it.

Anyway im done discussing Rooney. Just try not to overreact on the issue, and im sure you wouldnt even have an issue if he wasnt an English player.
Well, we shall see about Rooney. He has talent, but I hope for you guys that his temper and attitude take a turn for the better.

If Rooney played for Denmark or Sweden, I'd probably not like him either. But yeah, I guess you're right.



You dont know what i want. Im not happy that Italy are out. Ive said before i love the Azzurri. But in this tournament they have dissapointed me except for 45mins v sweden. As a neutral i dont care who the team are, i just want to watch exciting games.
Don't make me drag that post out in which you stated you're glad the Azzurri are out. Its okay though, everybody has their preferences. I would be saying the same thing if England had gone out. I'm just not having a good day today, sorry.

Check your PM btw.
 

River

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++ [ originally posted by Andy ] ++
Don't make me drag that post out in which you stated you're glad the Azzurri are out. Its okay though, everybody has their preferences. I would be saying the same thing if England had gone out. I'm just not having a good day today, sorry.
i stated there why im glad they are out. I also stated it above. Because they give me 45minutes. There attacking play (even when they desperately needed 2 goals at the start of the game, and 1 later in the game) was rediculous and an embarassment for such a good team. Lazy attacking hoping something will work.
 

Dr-Juve

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Mar 11, 2004
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++ [ originally posted by River ] ++

You dont know what i want. Im not happy that Italy are out. Ive said before i love the Azzurri. But in this tournament they have dissapointed me except for 45mins v sweden. As a neutral i dont care who the team are, i just want to watch exciting games.
:DHow excited u got in the last three 3 min in england and france game?
 

River

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++ [ originally posted by Dr-Juve ] ++


:DHow excited u got in the last three 3 min in england and france game?
Well overall it was an exciting game. France deserved to win and would have been hard done by to lose, so i wasnt that annoyed at all. We had alot of positive points come from that game. And to almost beat the current holders of the competition gives alot of hope for the rest dosent it ;)
 

The Arif

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Group D - June 23 (19.45)
Germany 1 - 2 Czech Rep
Ballack 21 (G), Heinz 30 (C), Baros 77 (C)
Lisbon (Alvalade)

Germany needed a victory to qualify, but lost to a second-string Czech Republic side to crash out of Euro 2004. This makes Karel Bruckner's team the only one to win all its Group games.

The Czech Republic were already certain of topping the Group going into this game, and a quarter-final date with Denmark, so they rested several star players including Balon d'Or winner Pavel Nedved.

Germany were locked in a three-way battle with Holland and the surprising Latvia in order to qualify for the quarter-finals, but a victory against the second-string Czechs would be enough see them through.

Rudi Voller's outfit have struggled in the tournament and were fortunate to emerge with a 0-0 draw against the minnows, but promising youngster Bastian Schweinsteiger was given a starting spot.

However, it was the Czechs who went closest early on when after four minutes Reggina defender Martin Jiranek didn't get a strong enough touch on Heinz's free kick and Oliver Kahn was able to recover.

On 19 minutes a long-range Michael Ballack effort was deflected on to the roof of the net for a corner. The resulting set-piece was not cleared effectively and it came out to Ballack for a magnificent half-volley into the top left-hand corner of the net.

The Germans tended to aim shots from long range at Jaromir Blazek, but this time he was equal to Berndt Schneider's attempt.

The Czech Republic may have been fielding a second-string side, but Marek Heinz proved his set-piece prowess with a simply stunning equaliser. The domestic League's top scorer with Banik Ostrava curled his effort into the top right-hand corner past the outstretched hand of a helpless Kahn.

Schweinsteiger was closed down with some difficulty on the edge of the box, but there was precious little inspiration for a side that needed a victory in order to progress in this competition.

Both teams made a substitution at half-time, Germany introducing 19-year-old Lukas Podolski to give them a little more firepower.

However, it was the Czech substitute who made an immediate impact, as within 45 seconds of the restart Tomas Hubschman's cross reached Vratislav Lokvenc and Kahn did well to smother his volley.

Germany were more enterprising and Schneider cut back past a defender and forced Blazek to tip his shot over the crossbar, then a Ballack header was well held.

The Czech Republic were forced into a change when striker Lokvenc fell awkwardly and sprained his ankle, so Liverpool hitman Milan Baros was introduced.

Ballack remained Germany's most dangerous player and his powerful angled drive whizzed inches past the far post.

On the hour mark Kevin Kuranyi just failed to make contact with Schweinsteiger's curling cross and the striker claimed he was held back, but the pictures did not support his protests.

They could not have gone closer than on 66 minutes, as Ballack was off balanced and still managed to squeeze in a shot that cannoned off the upright, but Schneider's follow-up was weak and straight at the goalkeeper.

Kuranyi's attempt was charged down in the box, then Schneider wasted another great chance with a free header turned over the bar from seven yards.

The Czechs tried to alleviate the pressure by introducing Karel Poborsky for the final 20 minutes, but Germany carried on pushing and really should have scored. A Hubschman goalline clearance and desperate save kept out Schneider and Podolski in a siege on Blazek's net.

There were German penalty appeals for a David Rozenhal handling offence, but the referee judged it to be involuntary as the ball bounced off his knee at a curious angle.

Instead, it was the Czech Republic who scored against the run of play. Substitute Baros ran on to Poborsky's through ball and although Kahn got a foot to his first attempt, the ball rolled back into his path for the easiest of finishes.

Voller had to go for broke, so centre-forward Miroslav Klose replaced defender Dietmar Hamann, but there were no more real scoring opportunities as the belief had drained out of the German side.


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Germany: Kahn; Friedrich, Woerns, Nowotny, Lahm, Frings (Podolski 46); Hamann (Klose 78), Scheider, Schweinsteiger (Jeremies 86), Ballack; Kuranyi

Czech Republic: Blazek; Mares, Rozehnal, Bolf, Jiranek; Plasil (Poborsky 70), Tyce, Galasek (Hubschman 46), Vachousek; Heinz, Lokvenc (Baros 59)

Ref: Hauge (Nor)

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Roman

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Apr 19, 2003
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I JUST LOVE THIS TEAM!!!
Nowadays even more than Italy...:down:
they play like a team,with much less stars,but with great spirit and ofcours COACH!
in a needless game they beat the hungry Germans!!!2-1!without 5 starting players!!!
I JUST LOVE THE TEAM!What a great football they play,the only team eith 9 points.
FORZA!
LEARN SOME,TRAP!
 
Sep 28, 2002
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++ [ originally posted by River ] ++
Comparing Rooney to Totti is rediculous. Rooney didnt put a foot wrong in the last game. So until he does give over on all the attitude rantings.

Dont test you? Shut up. I dont care what mood your in. A bad mood dosent mean you have permission to talk outta your ass.
i like you :)
 
Sep 28, 2002
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This kind of behaviour bears witness to his immaturity.
It has nothing to do with being inexperienced.
but maturity comes with experience, dont you think so? at least to certain extent.

and its not wrong to be immature when you're 18.
 

Bjerknes

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Who said everybody needed to fear the Czechs? I did.





Along with many other football analysts. :rolleyes:

They are the best attacking side in Europe at the moment. Also, that Marek Heinz seems like he would be a great buy.
 
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