The Financial Situation (30 Viewers)
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Kalulu, Nico and Koop all have tax relief 
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Cabal is not, because his contract with Hellas Verona is too low, and doesn't meet the threshold for tax relief (>1M).
We signed 9 players so far. Their combined gross salary is lower than Rabiot + Sandro + Pogba + Tek.
.Cabal is not, because his contract with Hellas Verona is too low, and doesn't meet the threshold for tax relief (>1M).
We signed 9 players so far. Their combined gross salary is lower than Rabiot + Sandro + Pogba + Tek.
https://www.calcioefinanza.it/2024/08/30/quanto-ha-speso-la-juve-sul-mercato-2024/
"Between incomings and outgoings, therefore, the impact on the 2024/25 transfer market budget should be positive by approximately 73.9 million euros, according to estimates"
Not far from my estimate. The important thing is Giuntoli keeps more or less the same squad's cost and makes ~60M+ plusvalenza. Impressive number.
The problem is still there. Our squad's cost / revenue ratio is still too high. We have to increase revenue by a big number. Otherwise, next year we have to face this trouble again. But it seems Juve is in good hands.
Bottom line is, I think we fans don't need to worry about the club's financial status. Exor will keep injecting cash. As long as Juve don't sabotage themself and play good football, we are fine
"Between incomings and outgoings, therefore, the impact on the 2024/25 transfer market budget should be positive by approximately 73.9 million euros, according to estimates"
Not far from my estimate. The important thing is Giuntoli keeps more or less the same squad's cost and makes ~60M+ plusvalenza. Impressive number.
The problem is still there. Our squad's cost / revenue ratio is still too high. We have to increase revenue by a big number. Otherwise, next year we have to face this trouble again. But it seems Juve is in good hands.
Bottom line is, I think we fans don't need to worry about the club's financial status. Exor will keep injecting cash. As long as Juve don't sabotage themself and play good football, we are fine
https://www.calcioefinanza.it/2024/08/30/quanto-ha-speso-la-juve-sul-mercato-2024/
"Between incomings and outgoings, therefore, the impact on the 2024/25 transfer market budget should be positive by approximately 73.9 million euros, according to estimates"
Not far from my estimate. The important thing is Giuntoli keeps more or less the same squad's cost and makes ~60M+ plusvalenza. Impressive number.
The problem is still there. Our squad's cost / revenue ratio is still too high. We have to increase revenue by a big number. Otherwise, next year we have to face this trouble again. But it seems Juve is in good hands.
Bottom line is, I think we fans don't need to worry about the club's financial status. Exor will keep injecting cash. As long as Juve don't sabotage themself and play good football, we are fine
"Between incomings and outgoings, therefore, the impact on the 2024/25 transfer market budget should be positive by approximately 73.9 million euros, according to estimates"
Not far from my estimate. The important thing is Giuntoli keeps more or less the same squad's cost and makes ~60M+ plusvalenza. Impressive number.
The problem is still there. Our squad's cost / revenue ratio is still too high. We have to increase revenue by a big number. Otherwise, next year we have to face this trouble again. But it seems Juve is in good hands.
Bottom line is, I think we fans don't need to worry about the club's financial status. Exor will keep injecting cash. As long as Juve don't sabotage themself and play good football, we are fine
THAT is extremely worrying
I think some company with forward thinking will jump on us with a better contract offer, they can start as low as 20m with 5m increment for 5 years contract
20+25+30+35+40m = 150m for 5 years (30m per year on average)
I will do this deal If I am BYD executives, pay for a little first and win that European EV race later
We can put each letter in each stripe, B in the black Y in the white, D in the black. What is better, Juventus and BYD is the one you need to choose if you want to build your dreams
20+25+30+35+40m = 150m for 5 years (30m per year on average)
I will do this deal If I am BYD executives, pay for a little first and win that European EV race later
We can put each letter in each stripe, B in the black Y in the white, D in the black. What is better, Juventus and BYD is the one you need to choose if you want to build your dreams
I think some company with forward thinking will jump on us with a better contract offer, they can start as low as 20m with 5m increment for 5 years contract
20+25+30+35+40m = 150m for 5 years (30m per year on average)
I will do this deal If I am BYD executives, pay for a little first and win that European EV race later
We can put each letter in each stripe, B in the black Y in the white, D in the black. What is better, Juventus and BYD is the one you need to choose if you want to build your dreams
20+25+30+35+40m = 150m for 5 years (30m per year on average)
I will do this deal If I am BYD executives, pay for a little first and win that European EV race later
We can put each letter in each stripe, B in the black Y in the white, D in the black. What is better, Juventus and BYD is the one you need to choose if you want to build your dreams
How much the transfer operations will weigh on the 2024/25 budget of the serie A clubs. Source: calcioefinanza
Imo the number is not accurate, but not too far from it. So you get the idea. We have the most positive despise all our signings. Phrases like "Juve spent 200m", or "Juve is -100M already" are misleading.
- Juventus: +71.07 million
- Fiorentina: +43.88 million
- Atalanta: +43 million
- Rome: +37.97 million
- Lazio: +16.55 million
- Inter: +8.93 million
- Milan: -11.55 million
- Naples: -52.78 million
Imo the number is not accurate, but not too far from it. So you get the idea. We have the most positive despise all our signings. Phrases like "Juve spent 200m", or "Juve is -100M already" are misleading.
According to the calculations made by Calcio e Finanza, the balance of this session between what was spent on signings and how much was earned from sales (expenses and earnings per player) of these 8 clubs marks an overall negative result of more than €452M and none of the 8 big clubs has ended the mercato with a positive balance regarding the buying and selling of players. In particular, in a descending order in terms of negative results:
- Napoli: -136M
- Juventus: -103M
- Roma: -94.6M
- Milan: -60M
- Lazio: -23.1M
- Atalanta: -22.93M
- Inter: -8M
- Fiorentina: -5M
The framework is very different though if the work of the big clubs is analyzed with the lens of how much the closed deals will impact the 2024/2025 budgets of the clubs società. That is adding the capital gains and losses made, the earnings from loans, the savings on the amortization and the savings on the gross salaries from players that left the clubs with respect to the 2023/2024 session. In fact, there was consideration on the player investments amortized over the years of the contract and the spending or the saving on the players salary.
In that perspective, it is noted that only #Milan and #Napoli – the latter mainly due to the missed exit of #Osimhen – will have a negative contribution from this mercato on the balance sheet. Whereas the other six will get a benefit.
Specifically (in an ascending order in terms of benefits):
- Juventus: +71.07M
- Fiorentina: +43.88M
- Atalanta: +43M
- Roma: +37.97M
- Lazio: +16.55M
- Inter: +8.93M
- Milan: -11.55M
- Napoli: -52.78M
[Luciano Mondelini - Calcio e Finanza]
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The most significant in terms of deals was what was built by Cristiano #Giuntoli at #Juventus: if it wasn't a real revolution at la Continassa, it was almost one. The bianconero club has secured 8 signings, from which 6 on a permanent basis, with #DiGregorio, #Cabal, #DouglasLuiz, #Thuram, #Koopmeiners and Nico #Gonzalez. Whereas 2 are on loan: #Kalulu and #Conceição. Simultaneously, the club has made several exit deals on a permanent basis, with #Frabotta, #Huijsen, #DeSciglio, #Barrenechea, #IlingJunior, #KaioJorge, #Kean, #Soulé and #Chiesa, in addition to the termination of the heavy contracts of #Szczesny, #AlexSandro and #Rabiot and the end of the #Alcaraz loan. Among the new signings, the most costly deal for the 2024/2025 season is the signing of #DouglasLuiz from #AstonVilla in which #Barrenechea and #IlingJunior took the opposite path. Simultaneously, the entry deals, between amortization of players bought on a permanent basis and gross salaries, should result in high costs of close to €86.1M.
These major costs were compensated by several exit deals. Among them, the one that registered the highest sale value is the final transfer of Matias #Soulé to #Roma. In addition, there was no shortage of both capital gains (with a total figure of close to €67M) and the termination of contracts that were particularly quite heavy like #Szczesny, #AlexSandro and #Rabiot (that together had a cost of more than €35M). The exit deals should have, according to the estimates made by Calcio e Finanza, a positive impact of close to €160M for the 2024/2025 balance sheet. An exorbitant amount that by itself gave Cristiano #Giuntoli the real value of his work. So, between entries and exits, the impact of the mercato on the 2024/2025 balance sheet should result, according to the estimates, in a positive impact of close to €73.9M. Considering only the balance between entries and exits of players (only the permanent deals), the mercato session of #Juventus ended with a negative balance of €103M.
[Luciano Mondelini - Calcio e Finanza]
- Napoli: -136M
- Juventus: -103M
- Roma: -94.6M
- Milan: -60M
- Lazio: -23.1M
- Atalanta: -22.93M
- Inter: -8M
- Fiorentina: -5M
The framework is very different though if the work of the big clubs is analyzed with the lens of how much the closed deals will impact the 2024/2025 budgets of the clubs società. That is adding the capital gains and losses made, the earnings from loans, the savings on the amortization and the savings on the gross salaries from players that left the clubs with respect to the 2023/2024 session. In fact, there was consideration on the player investments amortized over the years of the contract and the spending or the saving on the players salary.
In that perspective, it is noted that only #Milan and #Napoli – the latter mainly due to the missed exit of #Osimhen – will have a negative contribution from this mercato on the balance sheet. Whereas the other six will get a benefit.
Specifically (in an ascending order in terms of benefits):
- Juventus: +71.07M
- Fiorentina: +43.88M
- Atalanta: +43M
- Roma: +37.97M
- Lazio: +16.55M
- Inter: +8.93M
- Milan: -11.55M
- Napoli: -52.78M
[Luciano Mondelini - Calcio e Finanza]
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The most significant in terms of deals was what was built by Cristiano #Giuntoli at #Juventus: if it wasn't a real revolution at la Continassa, it was almost one. The bianconero club has secured 8 signings, from which 6 on a permanent basis, with #DiGregorio, #Cabal, #DouglasLuiz, #Thuram, #Koopmeiners and Nico #Gonzalez. Whereas 2 are on loan: #Kalulu and #Conceição. Simultaneously, the club has made several exit deals on a permanent basis, with #Frabotta, #Huijsen, #DeSciglio, #Barrenechea, #IlingJunior, #KaioJorge, #Kean, #Soulé and #Chiesa, in addition to the termination of the heavy contracts of #Szczesny, #AlexSandro and #Rabiot and the end of the #Alcaraz loan. Among the new signings, the most costly deal for the 2024/2025 season is the signing of #DouglasLuiz from #AstonVilla in which #Barrenechea and #IlingJunior took the opposite path. Simultaneously, the entry deals, between amortization of players bought on a permanent basis and gross salaries, should result in high costs of close to €86.1M.
These major costs were compensated by several exit deals. Among them, the one that registered the highest sale value is the final transfer of Matias #Soulé to #Roma. In addition, there was no shortage of both capital gains (with a total figure of close to €67M) and the termination of contracts that were particularly quite heavy like #Szczesny, #AlexSandro and #Rabiot (that together had a cost of more than €35M). The exit deals should have, according to the estimates made by Calcio e Finanza, a positive impact of close to €160M for the 2024/2025 balance sheet. An exorbitant amount that by itself gave Cristiano #Giuntoli the real value of his work. So, between entries and exits, the impact of the mercato on the 2024/2025 balance sheet should result, according to the estimates, in a positive impact of close to €73.9M. Considering only the balance between entries and exits of players (only the permanent deals), the mercato session of #Juventus ended with a negative balance of €103M.
[Luciano Mondelini - Calcio e Finanza]
Missing CL last season is going to cost us. We need to start boosting our coefficient points as that affects earnings more in the new adjusted CL prize money sharing.
The CL + Serie A + Coppa Italia + Supercoppa Italiana prize money, the new sponsorship deal & all the merchandise sales should set v us up nicely for next year. Är long as we continue the good performances on the pitch.
Ball is in your court Motta. Here's to a successful season.
The CL + Serie A + Coppa Italia + Supercoppa Italiana prize money, the new sponsorship deal & all the merchandise sales should set v us up nicely for next year. Är long as we continue the good performances on the pitch.
Ball is in your court Motta. Here's to a successful season.
- In this version i try to include effect from buying and selling player from next gen. Some selling from next gen not included as information about price is limited. Buying used estimation, but i assume it's not far from the number. I included effect from contract extension and increasing salary from some player too.
-We record plusvalenza around 53m, decreased in salary by 20m, but an increased in amortization/loan cost by 13m, give a positive effect about 60m from our activity. Note that it doesn't mean we collected 60m cash from mercato. The number solely for income statement.
- Cash management use different calculation. From what i know that for this mercato we need much money to pay first installment and loan fee. I assume that last capital injection play big part since we don't get money from last season absent from europe. Next installment maybe we rely on money from club world cup and new sponsor kit. Maybe part of UCL money participation too.
-We still need to lower yearly cost. We sould work on vlahovic's contract extension for minimum a year to spread his big salary, as soon as possible. On the other hand we should focus more in next mercato to offload arthur and kostic and maybe djalo.
- Is our big mercato this time a risky move like what paratici did, considering that maybe..maybe..there will be another extraordinary event, for example world war? Yes there will always be a risk, but not as risky as what Tici did. This time we always try to lower our cost yearly. Cash management is worrying though. But i think the impact is the same for other big clubs. we are supported by exor too.
-We record plusvalenza around 53m, decreased in salary by 20m, but an increased in amortization/loan cost by 13m, give a positive effect about 60m from our activity. Note that it doesn't mean we collected 60m cash from mercato. The number solely for income statement.
- Cash management use different calculation. From what i know that for this mercato we need much money to pay first installment and loan fee. I assume that last capital injection play big part since we don't get money from last season absent from europe. Next installment maybe we rely on money from club world cup and new sponsor kit. Maybe part of UCL money participation too.
-We still need to lower yearly cost. We sould work on vlahovic's contract extension for minimum a year to spread his big salary, as soon as possible. On the other hand we should focus more in next mercato to offload arthur and kostic and maybe djalo.
- Is our big mercato this time a risky move like what paratici did, considering that maybe..maybe..there will be another extraordinary event, for example world war? Yes there will always be a risk, but not as risky as what Tici did. This time we always try to lower our cost yearly. Cash management is worrying though. But i think the impact is the same for other big clubs. we are supported by exor too.
The clubs that spent the most in the summer of 2024:
1. CHELSEA: €238.5M
2. BRIGHTON: €231.2M
3. MAN UNITED: €214.5M
4. ATLETICO: €185M
5. ASTON VILLA: €176.2M
6. PSG: €169.92M
7. JUVENTUS: €162.8M
8. NAPOLI: €149.5M
9. TOTTENHAM: €148.85M
10. WEST HAM: €144.4M
11. LYON: €143.79M
12. BAYERN MUNICH: €142M
13. IPSWICH: €126.49M
14. SOUTHAMPTON: €117.15M
15. NOTTINGHAM FOREST: €111.5M
16. ARSENAL: €108.9M
17. BOURNEMOUTH: €104.37M
18. BRENTFORD: €97.9M
19. ATALANTA: €96.9M
20. AL ITTIHAD: €96.7M
[Sky Sport]
1. CHELSEA: €238.5M
2. BRIGHTON: €231.2M
3. MAN UNITED: €214.5M
4. ATLETICO: €185M
5. ASTON VILLA: €176.2M
6. PSG: €169.92M
7. JUVENTUS: €162.8M
8. NAPOLI: €149.5M
9. TOTTENHAM: €148.85M
10. WEST HAM: €144.4M
11. LYON: €143.79M
12. BAYERN MUNICH: €142M
13. IPSWICH: €126.49M
14. SOUTHAMPTON: €117.15M
15. NOTTINGHAM FOREST: €111.5M
16. ARSENAL: €108.9M
17. BOURNEMOUTH: €104.37M
18. BRENTFORD: €97.9M
19. ATALANTA: €96.9M
20. AL ITTIHAD: €96.7M
[Sky Sport]