The Financial Situation (77 Viewers)

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ReBeL

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Jan 14, 2005
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    Did any Italian club pay more than 10 million euro to buy one player this summer??
     
    May 22, 2007
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    People claim we have no debt on here, something which I've also read.

    THE BIG DEBTORS

    £727m Manchester United
    £609m Real Madrid* (Real claim only £296m)
    £436m Barcelona*
    £386m Internazionale*
    £348m AC Milan*
    £297.7m Arsenal
    £240m approx Liverpool
    £147m Juventus*
    £136m Roma*
    £96m Bayern Munich*
    £0 Chelsea, after £340m write-off, announced Dec 2009
    £0 Man City, after £305m debt-to-equity write-off, announced Jan 2010

    * * * * * English data from Premier League club records or accounts * * * * *
    Figures marked * from Prof Jose Maria Gay de Liebana, football finance specialist at the University of Barcelona

    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/european_football/article6991138.ece
    Yet this says otherwise. Are they including the loan for the stadium or what?
     

    Nicholas

    MIRKO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Jan 30, 2008
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    I'd rather not trust financial analyst from Barcelona considering how they forcasted Barcas debt wrongly. I was always under the assumption we were free of debt. I doubt were in more debt than Roma.
     

    Ken

    The Dutch Touch
    Aug 17, 2007
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    I was always under the impression we were debt free aswell, that's what I took from interviews with Blanc anyway.
     

    C4ISR

    Senior Member
    Dec 18, 2005
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    Juventus' financial reports make no mention of debts that large. They could be lying, but given Juve are listed on the Italian stock exchange, they would never dream of fudging their books and producing bullshit public reports, as the consequences would be even worse than the summer of 2006. That amount is roughly the total amount of our stadium, and that researcher assumes we borrowed all of it, when in fact the majority was covered by the sportfive and nordiconad deals.
     
    May 22, 2007
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    @Nick and Ken

    Yeah I thought it was odd that this list was about, yet Blanc kept going on about us being 'debt free', and how proud he was of that. Guess he's useful for something.

    Juventus' financial reports make no mention of debts that large. They could be lying, but given Juve are listed on the Italian stock exchange, they would never dream of fudging their books and producing bullshit public reports, as the consequences would be even worse than the summer of 2006. That amount is roughly the total amount of our stadium, and that researcher assumes we borrowed all of it, when in fact the majority was covered by the sportfive and nordiconad deals.
    Excellent answer, thanks.
     

    Hust

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    Hustini
    May 29, 2005
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    I think what they mean when they say "in the green" is that we aren't spending more than we are earning. And that gap may be considerable since we have been so stingy lately.

    We have our revenue that is what we make versus what we pay(spend). I think now that our club has been thru hell and we have our own stadium on the way we are becoming more fiscally responsible than we have been in the past.

    That may change if we continue to overpay for trash like poulsen, tiago, zebina, etc.

    We are consciously trying to sell this dead wood so at least its nice the club recognizes this as a potential long term issue and this market we are much tougher than Secco and Co to deal with.

    We might always have debt, operating costs, etc...all companies do and 114m might look big but considering the size of the club and the way we are moving doesn't seem that significant at all.

    That's how I take it anyways.
     

    Paid-off-Ref

    Senior Member
    Dec 16, 2004
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    It really depends on the type of debt and the rate of interest. If it's long-term it really isn't bad at all. This report is pretty stupid because it only shows one part of one side of the balance-sheet. I'd like to see which clubs have the largest equity ratio (equity/assets).
     

    Suns

    Release clause?
    May 22, 2009
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    Juventus' financial reports make no mention of debts that large. They could be lying, but given Juve are listed on the Italian stock exchange, they would never dream of fudging their books and producing bullshit public reports, as the consequences would be even worse than the summer of 2006. That amount is roughly the total amount of our stadium, and that researcher assumes we borrowed all of it, when in fact the majority was covered by the sportfive and nordiconad deals.
    Thanks man. You seem to know a lot about these stuff.
     

    Kasaki

    Moggi's Assistant
    Jun 1, 2010
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    £436m Barcelona*
    £609m Real Madrid* (Real claim only £296m)
    £727m Manchester United
    £386m Internazionale*
    £348m AC Milan*
    £240m approx Liverpool
    £136m Roma*
    £96m Bayern Munich*
    £0 Chelsea, after £340m write-off, announced Dec 2009
    £297.7m Arsenal
    £147m Juventus*
    £0 Man City, after £305m debt-to-equity write-off, announced Jan 2010
    their fixed the list 1. Barcelona is in huge debt couldn't even pay players wages for 1 month. Real madrid are self explanatory lol. Man Utd, that glazer debt not the clubs. Inter/Ac screw them. Arsene runs arsenal well so I doubt they are in much debt. I chose not to believe that Chelsea have no debts.
     

    Bjerknes

    "Top Economist"
    Mar 16, 2004
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    Juventus' financial reports make no mention of debts that large. They could be lying, but given Juve are listed on the Italian stock exchange, they would never dream of fudging their books and producing bullshit public reports, as the consequences would be even worse than the summer of 2006. That amount is roughly the total amount of our stadium, and that researcher assumes we borrowed all of it, when in fact the majority was covered by the sportfive and nordiconad deals.
    :howler:

    Tell that to AIG. Fraudulent accounting goes on all the time, but I'm not saying Juventus is pulling those tricks.
     

    Bjerknes

    "Top Economist"
    Mar 16, 2004
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    It really depends on the type of debt and the rate of interest. If it's long-term it really isn't bad at all. This report is pretty stupid because it only shows one part of one side of the balance-sheet. I'd like to see which clubs have the largest equity ratio (equity/assets).
    http://www.juventus.com/site/filesi...conto_al_31_marzo_2010_definitiva_inglese.pdf

    The statement says that the Debt/Equity ratio is "not significant" considering "the Company had no debts at 31 March 2010 and at 30 June 2009." But clearly from the financial position statement they have debts to leasing companies.

    I wish I had more accounting in college. Not sure what to make of it.
     

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