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His marking and general defensive awareness are better than they were. You even see him covering behind the CBs on occasion these days.
He is also better than he used to be at holding the defensive line. Last season he spent half the time five yards behind the rest of the defence are frequently fucked up the offside trap.
His tackling is better than it was, but is still poor. I agree he is still very bad at preventing crosses, though.
He is also better than he used to be at holding the defensive line. Last season he spent half the time five yards behind the rest of the defence are frequently fucked up the offside trap.
His tackling is better than it was, but is still poor. I agree he is still very bad at preventing crosses, though.
All i am saying is that Moli cant improve his footballistic characteristics and he can only be useful under some very limited parameters.
I was one of the first to notice and even point the improvement on his positioning and sync of sprints. Because thats exactly the only thing that moli could ever improve in his tragic attempt to become a football player.
My point is that this is the maximum we could ever wait from him and thats exactly what i have been expecting from him since last season.
This can be indeed considered an improvement and a step forward to the right direction. But it has been abused by his fans, because they have used the single step that he ought to make before he joined us and the only step that such a limited player would ever make to create expectations of similar improvements for the future, that would currently help us to tolerate his presence today and justify his presence last year.
But i have foreseen that and thats why i was mad on CR when he tried to spread this propaganda and claimed that molinaro was our best player last year.
He is trying hard to find excuses were he shouldnt, why on earth would we make some many sacrifices for Molinaro? The reason why we shouldnt do that is because Moli's potential is extremely reduced due to the lack skills/talent.
He is by far the most untalented player we ever had and it is a strategical mistake to keep wasting our time with him, or similar material.
Grygera was even worse than him this year, i agree, but he hasnt been the worst, Marchionni has been our weakest link by far this year.
The difference that those too ,are only subs that only happened to become starters because our starters are unreliable/injury prone.
On the other hand Molinaro is a starter and he is destined to become a starter in the future competitive Juve. The reason i hated him the most, is exactly that one, he is a real threat to our long term plans. Grygera and Marchionni arent!
If Camo loses the next year out injured, we will def buy a new RM
and Zebi is likely to be replaced by the end of the season.
But Molinaro will remain, he will always be the one who will prevent us of making this quality step forward. Subs come and go, but a starter wont!!
molinaro this year has shown some decent performances and i was one of the very few ones who dare to praise him for that, but they are rare and they didnt happened because Molinaro hasnt improved his defensive of offensive skills,
these skills can never be improved in a desired level.
Thats why i still see a great threat on Molinaro and this year has justified my fears. Without increasing his skills, Molinaro is considered an improved player, without offering any fruitful contribution, (on both defense and offense, esp defense IMO) he is considered helpful ( if not valuable by some).
He has and will destroy the chances a younger and much more talented player like DC, will ever had, as long as CR is our coach.
And he has also nullified the need to sign a proven and far better player for this position. I have spoken about this threat and its manifestations from last year.
And i was again accused because of this. Ppl claimed, that CR didnt really meant, that he considers Molinaro, our best player, his favorite. He did that right when Molinaro was by far our worst player on the pitch. Imagine what he will do when he isnt!
Ppl claimed that we will sign a new LB to replace our weakest link or that we will give chances to the far more promising De Ceglie. But none of it actually happened. Because CR considered Moli as our future starter and he did that when Moli was by far our worst player. That means, that this improved version of Molinaro will be totally immune in CR's eyes and he will never consider to replace him in the future, no matter how hard he will suck, no matter if will improve or not and no matter if all the other positions will be fixed or not.
For this threat i was talking about then and for this threat i am talking about now.
Apart from this threat, Moli has been our worst player last year and i had some extra venom against him last year, which i did not for the current one.
There is a great difference here. Some people use arguments valid his current performance, in order to defend the threat Moli posses for us in the future.
I am not arguing this and i hope its clear now.
I am always thinking and talking ahead, IMO, this season was already wasted before it even started, as long as it was concerned that Moli, Grygera, Legro/Chiellini and Marchionni would be our starters.
That would mean 40% of our starters would be bellow competitive standards at all times. And with the occasional bad day/absence of one or two of Chiellini, Sissoko, Marhisio, Neddy, DP and Amauri
That would mean 50-60% of our team bellow the competitive standards at average. => No chances to to beat the most competitive team out there, due to lack of the average percentage of quality we were bound to field.
I want this percentage improved asap, if we want to have any chances to win anything, esp a league type of competition, we need to improve that percentage.
Capello's Juve had a 90-95% average quality percentage and thats we were able to dominate everything back then.
The more we insist with players like Molinaro, Grygera and Marchionni as, the less chances we have to win anything due to the deluted quality percentage we are forced to field every time. The way i see it, is that we start with a -30% (3 field players out of 10 being incompetent) handicap at any time.
Our season was wasted anyway, hopefully we will improve this percentage next year...
Our financial situation might not allow us to fix all of those positions at a time, that why we have to be resourceful. We should set as priority targets, players who are able to improve those weakness and use our promising youngsters for the rest!
I was one of the first to notice and even point the improvement on his positioning and sync of sprints. Because thats exactly the only thing that moli could ever improve in his tragic attempt to become a football player.
My point is that this is the maximum we could ever wait from him and thats exactly what i have been expecting from him since last season.
This can be indeed considered an improvement and a step forward to the right direction. But it has been abused by his fans, because they have used the single step that he ought to make before he joined us and the only step that such a limited player would ever make to create expectations of similar improvements for the future, that would currently help us to tolerate his presence today and justify his presence last year.
But i have foreseen that and thats why i was mad on CR when he tried to spread this propaganda and claimed that molinaro was our best player last year.
He is trying hard to find excuses were he shouldnt, why on earth would we make some many sacrifices for Molinaro? The reason why we shouldnt do that is because Moli's potential is extremely reduced due to the lack skills/talent.
He is by far the most untalented player we ever had and it is a strategical mistake to keep wasting our time with him, or similar material.
Grygera was even worse than him this year, i agree, but he hasnt been the worst, Marchionni has been our weakest link by far this year.
The difference that those too ,are only subs that only happened to become starters because our starters are unreliable/injury prone.
On the other hand Molinaro is a starter and he is destined to become a starter in the future competitive Juve. The reason i hated him the most, is exactly that one, he is a real threat to our long term plans. Grygera and Marchionni arent!
If Camo loses the next year out injured, we will def buy a new RM
and Zebi is likely to be replaced by the end of the season.
But Molinaro will remain, he will always be the one who will prevent us of making this quality step forward. Subs come and go, but a starter wont!!
molinaro this year has shown some decent performances and i was one of the very few ones who dare to praise him for that, but they are rare and they didnt happened because Molinaro hasnt improved his defensive of offensive skills,
these skills can never be improved in a desired level.
Thats why i still see a great threat on Molinaro and this year has justified my fears. Without increasing his skills, Molinaro is considered an improved player, without offering any fruitful contribution, (on both defense and offense, esp defense IMO) he is considered helpful ( if not valuable by some).
He has and will destroy the chances a younger and much more talented player like DC, will ever had, as long as CR is our coach.
And he has also nullified the need to sign a proven and far better player for this position. I have spoken about this threat and its manifestations from last year.
And i was again accused because of this. Ppl claimed, that CR didnt really meant, that he considers Molinaro, our best player, his favorite. He did that right when Molinaro was by far our worst player on the pitch. Imagine what he will do when he isnt!
Ppl claimed that we will sign a new LB to replace our weakest link or that we will give chances to the far more promising De Ceglie. But none of it actually happened. Because CR considered Moli as our future starter and he did that when Moli was by far our worst player. That means, that this improved version of Molinaro will be totally immune in CR's eyes and he will never consider to replace him in the future, no matter how hard he will suck, no matter if will improve or not and no matter if all the other positions will be fixed or not.
For this threat i was talking about then and for this threat i am talking about now.
Apart from this threat, Moli has been our worst player last year and i had some extra venom against him last year, which i did not for the current one.
There is a great difference here. Some people use arguments valid his current performance, in order to defend the threat Moli posses for us in the future.
I am not arguing this and i hope its clear now.
I am always thinking and talking ahead, IMO, this season was already wasted before it even started, as long as it was concerned that Moli, Grygera, Legro/Chiellini and Marchionni would be our starters.
That would mean 40% of our starters would be bellow competitive standards at all times. And with the occasional bad day/absence of one or two of Chiellini, Sissoko, Marhisio, Neddy, DP and Amauri
That would mean 50-60% of our team bellow the competitive standards at average. => No chances to to beat the most competitive team out there, due to lack of the average percentage of quality we were bound to field.
I want this percentage improved asap, if we want to have any chances to win anything, esp a league type of competition, we need to improve that percentage.
Capello's Juve had a 90-95% average quality percentage and thats we were able to dominate everything back then.
The more we insist with players like Molinaro, Grygera and Marchionni as, the less chances we have to win anything due to the deluted quality percentage we are forced to field every time. The way i see it, is that we start with a -30% (3 field players out of 10 being incompetent) handicap at any time.
Our season was wasted anyway, hopefully we will improve this percentage next year...
Our financial situation might not allow us to fix all of those positions at a time, that why we have to be resourceful. We should set as priority targets, players who are able to improve those weakness and use our promising youngsters for the rest!
Last I heard, you do not want stop-gap solutions, so any decent left-back will be a "Mellberg" sort of player at best.
Molinaro isn't really that bad. He sometimes fails to spot the player behind him in the box but on the left wing, he has stopped many crosses and rarely allows opponents past him. More goals are conceded through the centre than from his side. De Ceglie performed badly at the position and is injured now so he does not see that much action. Do you really want to see him go on loan under the pressure from the fans like Criscito?
Molinaro isn't really that bad. He sometimes fails to spot the player behind him in the box but on the left wing, he has stopped many crosses and rarely allows opponents past him. More goals are conceded through the centre than from his side. De Ceglie performed badly at the position and is injured now so he does not see that much action. Do you really want to see him go on loan under the pressure from the fans like Criscito?
I dont want a Mellberg, i never did, just like i said when we singed him, he is a very limited player, just like Legro, a RB with his exp would of course, help him to add some better performances than Molinaro, no doubt about that! Just until the time one of our promising youngsters will grow enough to permanently take that spot.
At this particular case, a LB would have been acceptable, but the CB we took, since we already had Legro and Mellberg would ad nothing more there. He is neither better or younger then Legro, he adds nothing more than depth, but IMO we already have depth (Legro,Criscito) and we need a starter!
The LB is a different case, last year we had absolutely no cover for this position, it was the only position in our squad that had no alternative, the only one!!
A Mellberg there, would be justified. But we did even better, we brought a very promising youngster and for free!! Thats De Ceglie! De Ceglie is far more talented than Molinaro and his talent is worthy of taking some risks and investment on playing time.
De Ceglie had very very limited playing time, the time never had the time to adapt to his playing style, since he only had the chance to play very few games.
But he has already shown the promise that Molinaro never did and never will.
I disagree that he was bad, offensively he was very very good and offered in one game, as many successful crosses as Molinaro does during an entire season!!!
Defensively he made no mistakes, people accused him for a couple of games,
where our whole team was bad and we conceded one goal, similar to the two first goals we conceded against Chievo, from a cross/pass that came from our left flank, not that DC made any mistakes, but he was only accused that his effective game upfront, that actually made an impact, reminds them that he was upfront and not guarding our rear. And i am asking here, where was Molinaro when we conceded all those goals from our left flank?? Did he offered anything upfront like DC, or was he there to prevent our left flank of being penetrated repeatedly??
He offered nothing, at least with DC you can tell that he will offer smth and you know that he has the potential to improve, because this kid has a lot of talent and he can improve, unlike Moli. We should give him more playing time, because we will benefit of far better services from him in the future!
Last year we wasted a whole season on a desperate effort to improve Moli.
But this was a waste of time, because Moli has no skills to improve. However, Moli did improved his teamwork and the rest of the players have also get used to him and created a better chemistry, that resulted to those sync runs forwards.
I have seen Chiellini many times instructing him when to run and Neddy when to stop.
Imagine what such a promising player, like DC would have done, if he had just half of the playing time, Moli had!! And then imagine how much he can improve from there, since he is younger and far more talented!
IMO DC did not failed, CR failed him! And thats only because he favorism on Molinaro. CR is so biased towards Moli, that he will never accept a better player to replace him. Thats what i was saying since last year and DC was the first one to pay the bill, Crisicito is probably the next...
At this particular case, a LB would have been acceptable, but the CB we took, since we already had Legro and Mellberg would ad nothing more there. He is neither better or younger then Legro, he adds nothing more than depth, but IMO we already have depth (Legro,Criscito) and we need a starter!
The LB is a different case, last year we had absolutely no cover for this position, it was the only position in our squad that had no alternative, the only one!!
A Mellberg there, would be justified. But we did even better, we brought a very promising youngster and for free!! Thats De Ceglie! De Ceglie is far more talented than Molinaro and his talent is worthy of taking some risks and investment on playing time.
De Ceglie had very very limited playing time, the time never had the time to adapt to his playing style, since he only had the chance to play very few games.
But he has already shown the promise that Molinaro never did and never will.
I disagree that he was bad, offensively he was very very good and offered in one game, as many successful crosses as Molinaro does during an entire season!!!
Defensively he made no mistakes, people accused him for a couple of games,
where our whole team was bad and we conceded one goal, similar to the two first goals we conceded against Chievo, from a cross/pass that came from our left flank, not that DC made any mistakes, but he was only accused that his effective game upfront, that actually made an impact, reminds them that he was upfront and not guarding our rear. And i am asking here, where was Molinaro when we conceded all those goals from our left flank?? Did he offered anything upfront like DC, or was he there to prevent our left flank of being penetrated repeatedly??
He offered nothing, at least with DC you can tell that he will offer smth and you know that he has the potential to improve, because this kid has a lot of talent and he can improve, unlike Moli. We should give him more playing time, because we will benefit of far better services from him in the future!
Last year we wasted a whole season on a desperate effort to improve Moli.
But this was a waste of time, because Moli has no skills to improve. However, Moli did improved his teamwork and the rest of the players have also get used to him and created a better chemistry, that resulted to those sync runs forwards.
I have seen Chiellini many times instructing him when to run and Neddy when to stop.
Imagine what such a promising player, like DC would have done, if he had just half of the playing time, Moli had!! And then imagine how much he can improve from there, since he is younger and far more talented!
IMO DC did not failed, CR failed him! And thats only because he favorism on Molinaro. CR is so biased towards Moli, that he will never accept a better player to replace him. Thats what i was saying since last year and DC was the first one to pay the bill, Crisicito is probably the next...
Cron your logic on when people reach their potential as backwords as you can get. A player with so much raw abillity such as Molinaro but yet cant kick a ball in the right direction to save his life has more promise to me than a Lb (and remember we are talking about defense here) who can cross and dribble and that stuff more but gets beat by speed and clumsiness. It is much easier to gain ball controll and skills than it is speed and those things. If you watched Moli play last year and this year he is alot better this year. How many teams attack his side the entire game like they did the year before? Not to many bc he has improved positioning and isnt so easy to get turned around. But in your head you think thats the end of the road for Moli? I dont like hiom much either and I think we could do much better but that argument makes me defend him him bc I guarantee that in 2-3 years time he will be a solid LB. He will probably never become a star and Juventus needs stars and thats why he must leave
If it was much easier to gain ball control and skills than it is speed and those things,
then you could easily turn any run tracker, into a professional football player...
I was thinking that this was going to be the end for Moli's improvement, since last year, because i have seen similar players like him and i know that they cant go beyond that.
And as even if he somehow even better than that, this development will happen in a very very slower rate, comparing to the real football/talented players out there, like DC. Meaning that he will never reach the competitive levels we are supposedly aiming as a club!
And therefore i demanded that he should already be at this level, he is now, by the time he got here, because we are not supposed to train such players, only use them momentarily, when and if they are ready to give any kind of service...
Thats why i insisted that we shouldnt waste any more time with him, because he would be at best, the very limited he was this season, but my concerns has always been beyond that. We should not invest at him, as our main man for the future, as we do!
Limited players like Molinaro belong to much more inferior clubs than Juve,
even this Secco-CR Juve...
then you could easily turn any run tracker, into a professional football player...
I was thinking that this was going to be the end for Moli's improvement, since last year, because i have seen similar players like him and i know that they cant go beyond that.
And as even if he somehow even better than that, this development will happen in a very very slower rate, comparing to the real football/talented players out there, like DC. Meaning that he will never reach the competitive levels we are supposedly aiming as a club!
And therefore i demanded that he should already be at this level, he is now, by the time he got here, because we are not supposed to train such players, only use them momentarily, when and if they are ready to give any kind of service...
Thats why i insisted that we shouldnt waste any more time with him, because he would be at best, the very limited he was this season, but my concerns has always been beyond that. We should not invest at him, as our main man for the future, as we do!
Limited players like Molinaro belong to much more inferior clubs than Juve,
even this Secco-CR Juve...
imo moli will have a place in the first squad next season too...and dc will get loaned somewhere, if we will get criscito who can play as lb, cb and lm...i liked dc too....i always kept an eye on him when played this season..and it was easy to watch..he was the skinny one with all the footwork and crosses...the man that moli will never be.
is behind us but could buy players we can't even think of getting. If a team can be sold for 300m or 500m doesn't really change anything for me.
Thanx
I wouldn't read to much into the figures they are based on the season 2006/07.
We wouldn't be in the Champions League that season, hence the lower revenue than Inter.
But lots of other things have changed since then e.g. the new stadium.
Nonetheless, nice to see Juventus so highly valued despite being in Serie B that season.
We wouldn't be in the Champions League that season, hence the lower revenue than Inter.
But lots of other things have changed since then e.g. the new stadium.
Nonetheless, nice to see Juventus so highly valued despite being in Serie B that season.