The Financial Situation (41 Viewers)

[kappa96]

Curious to know, how much has Exor invested over the years?

I believe they mostly left us to fend for ourselves. I steel remember that we had some transfer windows where we spent almost nothing after buying and selling. I guess juve in that time became self sustaining, but growing the brand requires a lot more.

 

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[Valerio.]

Exor helped us twice in 2009 and 2011
By helping I meant they lent us money (which we have to give back by the way)

I know who own Jeep and so on but that doesn't mean you throw us a banana and should be happy with it.
When we deserve at least 2 bananas

 

[kappa96]

Exor helped us twice in 2009 and 2011
By helping I meant they lent us money (which we have to give back by the way)

I know who own Jeep and so on but that doesn't mean you throw us a banana and should be happy with it.
When we deserve at least 2 bananas

agree. apparently the tide is changing and they are looking to become more involved.
fingers crossed for at least 40 mil. sponsorship for next season.

 

[CAPITANO]

New Jeep add

 

[piotrr]

New Jeep add

that is flames you know

The only thing missing was seeing Ronaldo's name on our shirt from the back at that FK.

 

[Valerio.]

meanwhile Nike give 90m/year to PSG till 2032

 

[kappa96]

meanwhile Nike give 90m/year to PSG till 2032

i doubt that it is 90 more like somewhere between 70-75 mil. per year
also NIKE is rumored to be losing man city to puma
adidas has juve, real, man utd, bayern all greatest teams in their country

 

[Boksic]

Are there any articles about our compliance with FFP?

I'd like to know by how much we are complying? The transfer of Spinazzola and delay of De Ligt suggests we are close to the limit.

 

[duranfj]

New Jeep add

We are so hot right now, we are gonna be so huge in the future and without any tax fraud or sheikh money involved... kudos for those guys (AA and Johnny boy)

 

[JuveJay]

If Exor could just pump money in then PSG or Citeh would win the CL every year.

 

[IliveForJuve]

New Jeep add

Should've been Pjanic taking that FK

 

[The Quazis]

Jeep belongs to FCA which is owned by EXOR ,which owns Juve , which basically means we get exactly how much John wants to spare .

Exor doesn't own FCA. They have 43% shares or something close to this figure. What's more, a merge with Renault seems to be on the cards and both companies would own 50% shares of that newly created enterprise.

PS. Not to mention Agnellis don't own 100% of Exor.

 

[kappa96]

Exor doesn't own FCA. They have 43% shares or something close to this figure. What's more, a merge with Renault seems to be on the cards and both companies would own 50% shares of that newly created enterprise.

PS. Not to mention Agnellis don't own 100% of Exor.

did a little digging and it is seems you are correct
they have 53% of exor
Exor an Italian investment group controlled by the Agnelli family, owns 29.19% of FCA and controls 44.31% through a loyalty voting mechanism

 

[The Quazis]

did a little digging and it is seems you are correct
they have 53% of exor
Exor an Italian investment group controlled by the Agnelli family, owns 29.19% of FCA and controls 44.31% through a loyalty voting mechanism

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[jukazem]

Spinazzola's transfer on the 30th of June, so capital gain for 18/19 most likely. That brings the total capital gains of 18/19 to €107m atleast. €43.7m in the first half (Caldara, Cerri, Mandragora), €36.7m in the second half (Audero, Sturaro) as confirmed in the HY accounts and now €26.6m (Spinazzola). Then there is temporary disposal of €26.9m (HY gave breakup of €13.4m only including Higuain, Favalli, Cerri and Pjaca- probably split the loan fees over 2 halves). That's a lot just to balance books and something similar or more would be required especially since expenses are increasing with high wage players like Ramsey, Rabiot and DeLigt coming in.

Now wondering who's going to be the capital gains for 19/20. Can't think of many players left to sell: Perin, Cancelo, Rugani, Pjanic, Kean, Cuadrado... got to be some of those I think, as their book values are lowest compared to potential transfer fees.

 

[Akshen]

Spinazzola's transfer on the 30th of June, so capital gain for 18/19 most likely. That brings the total capital gains of 18/19 to €107m atleast. €43.7m in the first half (Caldara, Cerri, Mandragora), €36.7m in the second half (Audero, Sturaro) as confirmed in the HY accounts and now €26.6m (Spinazzola). Then there is temporary disposal of €26.9m (HY gave breakup of €13.4m only including Higuain, Favalli, Cerri and Pjaca- probably split the loan fees over 2 halves). That's a lot just to balance books and something similar or more would be required especially since expenses are increasing with high wage players like Ramsey, Rabiot and DeLigt coming in.

Now wondering who's going to be the capital gains for 19/20. Can't think of many players left to sell: Perin, Cancelo, Rugani, Pjanic, Kean, Cuadrado... got to be some of those I think, as their book values are lowest compared to potential transfer fees.

Is it confirmed that we will need to get capital gains from players sells to balance the 19/20 budget? What about new sponsor deal etc.?

 

[s4tch]

Spinazzola's transfer on the 30th of June, so capital gain for 18/19 most likely...

that was the whole point of the operation. that's why we tried to sell cancelo at an early stage of the mercato, and when that transfer got stalled, we looked for other alternatives.

 

[Akshen]

that was the whole point of the operation. that's why we tried to sell cancelo at an early stage of the mercato, and when that transfer got stalled, we looked for other alternatives.

Its just amazing for me how fast Fabio can operate - when saw the problems in the Cancelo deal, the whole Spina operation came so fast. I dont think there many reports before, just like week before the operation? Taking iinto account that this wasnt easy deal (two players in the deal) its amazing.

 

[jukazem]

that was the whole point of the operation. that's why we tried to sell cancelo at an early stage of the mercato, and when that transfer got stalled, we looked for other alternatives.

Yeah, I was waiting to see the timing of the transfer. Just that my initial expectation was that we're ok in 18/19 and so this could be 19/20. Now I am guessing that either revenue (gate reciepts, tv and commercial) not picking up quick enough or expenses (especially wages) are increasing at a faster rate. Either way Juve's won't be able to get out of the player sales & capital gains model anytime soon. I am worried that there won't be players left to sell after some time or we gonna end up like Milan after selling some important players.

 

[Akshen]

Yeah, I was waiting to see the timing of the transfer. Just that my initial expectation was that we're ok in 18/19 and so this could be 19/20. Now I am guessing that either revenue (gate reciepts, tv and commercial) not picking up quick enough or expenses (especially wages) are increasing at a faster rate. Either way Juve's won't be able to get out of the player sales & capital gains model anytime soon. I am worried that there won't be players left to sell after some time or we gonna end up like Milan after selling some important players.

We will see - maybe we are waiting for new adidas deal to kick in (or is it already live?). Probably should get new Jeep deal too - I think Mark already reported that one of our shareholder said that there will be new main sponsor deal.