The Financial Situation (60 Viewers)

[KB824]

The problem with EPL teams is that they have too much money and they have so much pressure to always buy new players all the time. There is this atmosphere around these teams that they need to sign players, the silly season is as big of a spectacle as the championship itself.
This will continue when they get richer and the culture will grow.

The problem that this causes which is of benefit to us is that they can never build any consistency with their players. Essentially they have to work in 3-4 new signings every season while us for example can work with the same players for years.

They give up on excellent players so easily because fans expect a new toy. Just look at Man Utd for example, they have guys like Herrera, Schneiderlin, Memphis, Darmian etc who they just want to replace. If those guys played with us, we'd value them more and they'd be in an environment where they'd flourish.

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[Knowah]

The problem with EPL teams is that they have too much money and they have so much pressure to always buy new players all the time. There is this atmosphere around these teams that they need to sign players, the silly season is as big of a spectacle as the championship itself.
This will continue when they get richer and the culture will grow.

The problem that this causes which is of benefit to us is that they can never build any consistency with their players. Essentially they have to work in 3-4 new signings every season while us for example can work with the same players for years.

They give up on excellent players so easily because fans expect a new toy. Just look at Man Utd for example, they have guys like Herrera, Schneiderlin, Memphis, Darmian etc who they just want to replace. If those guys played with us, we'd value them more and they'd be in an environment where they'd flourish.

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[Klin]

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[Zacheryah]

The problem with EPL teams is that they dont have the right cm's.

EPL is proof of victory of marotta's buying style over cronios

 

[Hydde]

The problem with EPL teams is that they dont have the right cm's.

EPL is proof of victory of marotta's buying style over cronios

We are being well managed. With much less resources, we are really leaving them in shame.

 

[Hust]

This is expected, and we're doing well. We're growing and gaining ground incrementally. Of course, there won't be a huge jump. It took Bayern a long time too.

Not sure what Liverpool did to go from 306 to 392m.

We gained ground on 11th-placed Dortmund. Gap after 2014-15 is 43.5m compared to 17.5m a year before.

Top-10 won't change in a while...as in there won't be any new entrants.



Because of our poor CL run in 2013-14. According to Marotta, we lost around 30m (tangible + intangible losses) by not progressing from the group stages. Hard to acquire lucrative partnerships or sponsors when you don't progress from the CL group stages.

The reason our revenue increased by only 7m from 2012-13 to 2013-14 while every other year we've seen substantial gains.



I looked at the math/pro forma before, and I think we will have made around 360-365m at the end of this season. Could get close to 400m next season. Should reach the 400m milestone by 2017-18 at the latest unless we do poorly on the field next season.

We're top-3 in TV. Real made 199.9m, Barca made 199.8m, and we made 199.0m. Chelsea at #4 made 178.2m, and City made 178.0.

Matchday and Commercial are the categories we suck in. Can't do much about the former because Turin isn't a big city and because of Italy's economy. Commercially, besides that one year gap, we've been growing slowly but surely. It's just that there's still a looong way to go. We need to establish ourselves as a top-8 team in Europe that makes the CL quarterfinals every season, and we're in the process of doing just that. Think Agnelli has been doing some good work laying the grounds and promoting our team in Asia also. Not sure why North America has been ignored though.



The novelty wears off little by little if you keep performing poorly on the field.

But next season, United will have a better coach (and even more money). Don't think they'll be one of the faves in the CL anytime soon, but they should be patching things up in the league.

North America is ignored because it would be almost impossible to oust barca, real or Man U over here

 

[JuveJay]

The problem with EPL teams is that they have too much money and they have so much pressure to always buy new players all the time. There is this atmosphere around these teams that they need to sign players, the silly season is as big of a spectacle as the championship itself.
This will continue when they get richer and the culture will grow.

The problem that this causes which is of benefit to us is that they can never build any consistency with their players. Essentially they have to work in 3-4 new signings every season while us for example can work with the same players for years.

They give up on excellent players so easily because fans expect a new toy. Just look at Man Utd for example, they have guys like Herrera, Schneiderlin, Memphis, Darmian etc who they just want to replace. If those guys played with us, we'd value them more and they'd be in an environment where they'd flourish.

Yes, the transfer window has become almost a championship in itself, people get so excited about it. And tbh I've seen it spill over onto foreign forums like this over recent years as well.

Our model is far superior, and we had to replace players last summer.

 

[Raphaël]

the UEFA rankings (2015/2016) compared to the current classification of Deloitte.

1 Real Madrid
2 Bayern München
3 FC Barcelona
4 Chelsea
5 Atlético Madrid
6 Benfica
7 Paris Saint-Germain
8 Juventus
9 Arsenal
10 Borussia Dortmund
11 Schalke 04
12 Zenit St. Petersburg
13 FC Porto
14 Manchester City
15 Valencia
16 Napoli
17 FC Basel
18 Bayer Leverkusen
19 Sevilla
20 Manchester United

5 spanish teams
4 german teams
4 english teams
2 italian teams
2 Portuguese teams
1 french team
1 russian team
1 swiss team

 

[Zacheryah]

This is expected, and we're doing well. We're growing and gaining ground incrementally. Of course, there won't be a huge jump. It took Bayern a long time too.

Not sure what Liverpool did to go from 306 to 392m.

We gained ground on 11th-placed Dortmund. Gap after 2014-15 is 43.5m compared to 17.5m a year before.

Top-10 won't change in a while...as in there won't be any new entrants.



Because of our poor CL run in 2013-14. According to Marotta, we lost around 30m (tangible + intangible losses) by not progressing from the group stages. Hard to acquire lucrative partnerships or sponsors when you don't progress from the CL group stages.

The reason our revenue increased by only 7m from 2012-13 to 2013-14 while every other year we've seen substantial gains.



I looked at the math/pro forma before, and I think we will have made around 360-365m at the end of this season. Could get close to 400m next season. Should reach the 400m milestone by 2017-18 at the latest unless we do poorly on the field next season.

We're top-3 in TV. Real made 199.9m, Barca made 199.8m, and we made 199.0m. Chelsea at #4 made 178.2m, and City made 178.0.

Matchday and Commercial are the categories we suck in. Can't do much about the former because Turin isn't a big city and because of Italy's economy. Commercially, besides that one year gap, we've been growing slowly but surely. It's just that there's still a looong way to go. We need to establish ourselves as a top-8 team in Europe that makes the CL quarterfinals every season, and we're in the process of doing just that. Think Agnelli has been doing some good work laying the grounds and promoting our team in Asia also. Not sure why North America has been ignored though.



The novelty wears off little by little if you keep performing poorly on the field.

But next season, United will have a better coach (and even more money). Don't think they'll be one of the faves in the CL anytime soon, but they should be patching things up in the league.

Bayern was buzy with its "hollywood" bayern for like what, 8 years before they got into finals ?

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We are being well managed. With much less resources, we are really leaving them in shame.

Yes, i agree. We adress the key needs, the EPL just buys a ton of players


That league doesnt have 1 single top class supportive cm.


They got slender pacy english offensive b2b cm's
They got superior athlete black strong+technical b2b cm's
And a load of shit

Not a single supportive cm of considerable class. Well, schweinsteiger, who slowly adapts and seems past it

 

[Xperd]

This is expected, and we're doing well. We're growing and gaining ground incrementally. Of course, there won't be a huge jump. It took Bayern a long time too.

Not sure what Liverpool did to go from 306 to 392m.

We gained ground on 11th-placed Dortmund. Gap after 2014-15 is 43.5m compared to 17.5m a year before.

Top-10 won't change in a while...as in there won't be any new entrants.



Because of our poor CL run in 2013-14. According to Marotta, we lost around 30m (tangible + intangible losses) by not progressing from the group stages. Hard to acquire lucrative partnerships or sponsors when you don't progress from the CL group stages.

The reason our revenue increased by only 7m from 2012-13 to 2013-14 while every other year we've seen substantial gains.



I looked at the math/pro forma before, and I think we will have made around 360-365m at the end of this season. Could get close to 400m next season. Should reach the 400m milestone by 2017-18 at the latest unless we do poorly on the field next season.

We're top-3 in TV. Real made 199.9m, Barca made 199.8m, and we made 199.0m. Chelsea at #4 made 178.2m, and City made 178.0.

Both Liverpool's and Arsenal's kit and shirt deal sponsorships kicked in this year but yeah,i'm pretty startled too because its a rather large increase.

CL is the only reason we've increased the gap on Dortmund.Next yr,i'm sure it'll be much lesser.Basically we'd be closer to Dortmund and Spurs than to Arsenal,Liverpool and other teams that make more money than them.

The good thing is we've created a foundation where we'll be in the CL every yr (through great squad building) because right now we are heavily dependent on CL revenue and it has enabled us to maintain a top 10 status.

 

[Ocelot]

the UEFA rankings (2015/2016) compared to the current classification of Deloitte.

1 Real Madrid
2 Bayern München
3 FC Barcelona
4 Chelsea
5 Atlético Madrid
6 Benfica
7 Paris Saint-Germain
8 Juventus
9 Arsenal
10 Borussia Dortmund
11 Schalke 04
12 Zenit St. Petersburg
13 FC Porto
14 Manchester City
15 Valencia
16 Napoli
17 FC Basel
18 Bayer Leverkusen
19 Sevilla
20 Manchester United

5 spanish teams
4 german teams
4 english teams
2 italian teams
2 Portuguese teams
1 french team
1 russian team
1 swiss team

lol at United

 

[only-juve]

The problem with EPL teams is that they have too much money and they have so much pressure to always buy new players all the time. There is this atmosphere around these teams that they need to sign players, the silly season is as big of a spectacle as the championship itself.
This will continue when they get richer and the culture will grow.

The problem that this causes which is of benefit to us is that they can never build any consistency with their players. Essentially they have to work in 3-4 new signings every season while us for example can work with the same players for years.

They give up on excellent players so easily because fans expect a new toy. Just look at Man Utd for example, they have guys like Herrera, Schneiderlin, Memphis, Darmian etc who they just want to replace. If those guys played with us, we'd value them more and they'd be in an environment where they'd flourish.

Well one can easily argue the opposite, even if we create a stable team we will always lose our top notch stars to these clubs (Vidal perhaps both Pogba and Dybala soon will leave) and we'll have to replace these players almost every summer.

No matter how hard we as fans like to look at the positive side of this situation, no one can deny that the growth of EPL revenues will hurt us one way or another.

 

[.zero]

Here's a list of our player salaries

http://www.sportsnewsupdated.com/juventus-player-salaries-2016/

 

[JuveMkd]

Well one can easily argue the opposite, even if we create a stable team we will always lose our top notch stars to these clubs (Vidal perhaps both Pogba and Dybala soon will leave) and we'll have to replace these players almost every summer.

No matter how hard we as fans like to look at the positive side of this situation, no one can deny that the growth of EPL revenues will hurt us one way or another.

We can always buy the last summer transfer stars on discount

 

[Bianconero_Aus]

Here's a list of our player salaries

http://www.sportsnewsupdated.com/juventus-player-salaries-2016/

good intel

 

[Post Ironic]

Well one can easily argue the opposite, even if we create a stable team we will always lose our top notch stars to these clubs (Vidal perhaps both Pogba and Dybala soon will leave) and we'll have to replace these players almost every summer.

No matter how hard we as fans like to look at the positive side of this situation, no one can deny that the growth of EPL revenues will hurt us one way or another.

This ridiculous pessimistic stuff is garbage. We've clearly stated Dybala is a player we want to build around long-term. There is absolutely no reason to believe we would sell Dybala anytime soon, as we just bought him 6 months ago. And he seems perfectly happy here.

 

[Xperd]

The new TV deal for Serie A isn't bad at all, of course can't be compared to EPL but still better than La Liga and BL.

We will earn around 30mln more than the previous one.

As for 400mln, we should be close to it..

Only domestic Tv deal is better than La Liga's.

Internationally,we are way behind.Serie A earns €186m per yr from international rights while La Liga earns €650m per yr.Combined deal for Serie A-€943m + €186m = €1.12b per season

La Liga on the other hand(combined domestic and international deal) : €1.5b per season


http://sports.yahoo.com/news/la-liga-agrees-three-2-65-billion-euro-200734282--sow.html

So combined TV deal is much larger for La Liga

 

[Vlad]

Much larger? Do you even math?

How do you come up with 1.5bn, when the overall sum is clearly 1.3bn as seen on the graphics, for the clubs in their 1st league.

 

[Xperd]

Much larger? Do you even math?

How do you come up with 1.5bn, when the overall sum is clearly 1.3bn as seen on the graphics, for the 1st league clubs.

I dont think you read the article.

Including international rights deals struck in the summer, La Liga's overall television revenue has risen from 800 million euros a season under the old system to nearly 1.5 billion euros a season.

 

[Vlad]

I dont think you read the article.

No, I think you misunderstood the article. The clubs in their 1st division will recieve 1.3bn, the rest is for 2nd division which isn't of any relevance. We're comparing La Liga and Serie A here, not La Liga + Segunda and Serie A + Serie B.