zizou scored in a champions league final and world cup final winning both, he has won more than marco
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Marco Van Basten is the greatest player (of those on the list anyways). He IS the best out & out pure goalscorer of all time. The absolute best in his position (Real no. 9) of all time, bar none. No other player on this list can make the same claim, as Maradona tops them all. Ronaldo is not fit to clean MVB's boots. This man made Milan into a European Superclub, when they had just gotten out of B. Zidane is so-so over rated, on the back of 2 tournaments at international level. He has never produced the same form at any club, esp ours!
Everyone knows the 2 real greatest players of all time are Maradona & Our Ale
Everyone knows the 2 real greatest players of all time are Maradona & Our Ale
that is the dumbest thing that i have ever seen anyone write on this forum
Nothing personal, just don't buy the hype. As I said elsewhere, he had 2 amazing tournaments (WC 98 & Euro 2000) but those aside he has been a very average club player. Don't forget, when he signed for us, we we're league & european champions, & in 5 seasons with ZZ we won 1 scudetto. If he were that good, surely we would have done more, no?
Well, I don't know if everything can be measured by the number of scudetti won...
I followed him at his period in Juve, and he was doing fairly good in most of the matches...
You can go back to see who was the goalkeeper in those days and how many matches we played with less than 11 players because of Tacchi, Montero, Davids, Ferrara and Iuliano's excessive tackles...
Those were the two reasons for keeping the titles away from Juve at those days, and it was not Zidane's fault...
I followed him at his period in Juve, and he was doing fairly good in most of the matches...
You can go back to see who was the goalkeeper in those days and how many matches we played with less than 11 players because of Tacchi, Montero, Davids, Ferrara and Iuliano's excessive tackles...
Those were the two reasons for keeping the titles away from Juve at those days, and it was not Zidane's fault...
ZZ was a brilliant player but he is more rated for his tricks and flips than his real contribution, IMO someone like Davids contributed much more than ZZ in our team,(not to speak about Neddy)
ZZ was an excellent unit but he wasnt always used in a proper efficient way, at least with us , esp the last years, i partially blame our coaches for this, also i blame him for the lack of persistance to our cause, after he gained the world class status and was using his suit more often that his training uniform,
the fact that he left us and the fact that he scored the most important goals and did his most important games for his NT prooves that,
I ve seen some of Platini, i ve seen a lot of Baggio+Matthaeus but ZZ never gained that status in my eyes, he was never the aspirant leader they were,
football has changed and probably will never let any new caracters to develop like them and make the difference the way they did, IMO ZZ alone wasnt able to do the difference in most of the cases and turn the match all alone, the others did, esp MVB, and did that much more than the rest,
thats what i rate, today football is all about spectacle, Ronaldinho is the epitom of it,
but in my eyes, based on my exp and from what i ve seen those years,
the Dihnos arent that brilliant and that effective as the Van Basten were,
if the Dihnos+ZZs werent that impressive to watch, doing things the average spectator would never dream of, then they would just be in the list of the Kaka's and not in the list of VBs
I think i made my point clear now, just MO...
everybody has his own way to rate players and all are respected!
On the other hand, i know, the football and the players have evolved, as athlets, in a point that doesnt allow such great differences as they used to be, thats why i dont think that i will never see a new Pele,Maradona or even VB until the end of my times...
its not the modern players fault,
history proved that today heroes cant be born,
Iverson cant be Jordan, Schumi cant be Senna,
whatever they do, or win, whatever record they brake,
the magic player cannot be explained in numbers and today its the "numbers" time
no private "Ryan" can gain the fame of "Achilles"...
ZZ was an excellent unit but he wasnt always used in a proper efficient way, at least with us , esp the last years, i partially blame our coaches for this, also i blame him for the lack of persistance to our cause, after he gained the world class status and was using his suit more often that his training uniform,
the fact that he left us and the fact that he scored the most important goals and did his most important games for his NT prooves that,
I ve seen some of Platini, i ve seen a lot of Baggio+Matthaeus but ZZ never gained that status in my eyes, he was never the aspirant leader they were,
football has changed and probably will never let any new caracters to develop like them and make the difference the way they did, IMO ZZ alone wasnt able to do the difference in most of the cases and turn the match all alone, the others did, esp MVB, and did that much more than the rest,
thats what i rate, today football is all about spectacle, Ronaldinho is the epitom of it,
but in my eyes, based on my exp and from what i ve seen those years,
the Dihnos arent that brilliant and that effective as the Van Basten were,
if the Dihnos+ZZs werent that impressive to watch, doing things the average spectator would never dream of, then they would just be in the list of the Kaka's and not in the list of VBs
I think i made my point clear now, just MO...
everybody has his own way to rate players and all are respected!
On the other hand, i know, the football and the players have evolved, as athlets, in a point that doesnt allow such great differences as they used to be, thats why i dont think that i will never see a new Pele,Maradona or even VB until the end of my times...
its not the modern players fault,
history proved that today heroes cant be born,
Iverson cant be Jordan, Schumi cant be Senna,
whatever they do, or win, whatever record they brake,
the magic player cannot be explained in numbers and today its the "numbers" time
no private "Ryan" can gain the fame of "Achilles"...
fine you fellas have your opinions but if you run down his accomplishments being world player of the year 3 times, wc champ, 2 scudettos, la liga champ, euro champ, cl champ, balon d'or winner, cl mvp, etc.. please name me other players with these credentials cuz the last time i checked if someone had a resume like this -- he was standing alone.
Ronaldinho will pass that, &you can't tell me he's the greatest of all time. Most world player of year awards are run by FIFA - blatant lovers of all things french, & haters of all things Italian, or France football - note a theme here? They are as useless as the FIFA World Rankings. And as for the post with a link to 2002 CL final goal, can someone post one of Steve Mcmanamans goal & argue he's the best ever player? Come on people, he aint that good.
Try this for a real volley:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=uvEG23WhL-4&mode=related&search=
