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Vinman

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++ [ originally posted by Zlatan ] ++
Yes, there would.

First of all, Bush is dumb. Did you ever hear him speak? Did you hear the second Presidental debate? The INTERNETS??? I mean, WTF???

Do I need to list out all the Bushisms???



And BTW, in Yugoslavia everyone had a job, there were 90% middle class citizens, 1% rich ones and maybe 9% poor ones, while now thre's 90% poor oones. You had a job, you didnt have to worry about getting fired because the unions were very powerful, you worked from 9 to 4, you could go home without any worries, everyone had money to take a vacation every year, to go to the mountains and ski, or go to the sea during summer, and everyone was happy. To top it all off, you didnt have to buy houses or flats because they were all government apartments that were given to the workers. Yugoslavia was a people's country, and people were much happier than they are now.
Yeah Zlatan, he's so dumb...

and your so BRILLIANT , that you have NOTHING better to do with your life than to critisize the leader of my country....

Get yourself a life, kid....
 

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Vinman

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I've always admired Hillary. She was my favourite after Jackie-O. Anyways, regarding Bush being stupid or not, I just didn't like the fact that he didn't know Pervez Musharraf. And you're supposed to be the leader of a HUGE country...
Let me tell you something about Hillary....

she is another PHONY...

I had to escort her during one of her visits here, and she wouldnt give ANYONE the time of day..................

until the camera's went on
 

swag

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I'm not a fan of Bush, but I wouldn't say he's dumb. I'd say he's very shrewd, to be exact.

He knows better than Kerry (and better than Gore), for example, that getting public votes has a lot more to do with selling shampoo than it does with winning debates, participating in high-minded political arguments, and trying to appeal to the public through a logic presentation of political logic. The fact is some of our best political science studies as far back as 1964, still cited today, confirmed that more than 90% of the voting public cannot put together pieces of policy. Meaning most voters will say that they like the idea of smaller government and less taxes, but at the same time will also claim to like more money spent on police and the military, social security, education -- not even making a connection between the two.

And if there's one mark of a man's intelligence, Bill Clinton misrepresented the facts to the country about his sexual conduct in the White House, and he got an impeachment vote for it. Bush employed faulty intelligence to plunge the U.S. into a war on false pretenses that has killed over 1,000 Americans (we're at a third of the death toll of the WTC tragedy and counting) and cost taxpayers over $120 billion thus far, and yet not a single person has lost as much as their job over it.

Of course you could argue that this has more to do with America's bizarre combination of puritan abhorrence of sex and lust for violence, but you could still argue it takes a pretty smart man to pull that off.
 

The Pado

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You know that I don't like Bush, and I think Kerry would likewise be a disaster, but I've seen some of you suggest that the USA should follow Europe's example and specifically France and Germany, on issues such as war in Iraq. The USA will never elect to renounce it's sovereignty and be ruled by a colonial master. This is not what Americans want. It must be what Europeans want because they all seem to want to dissolve their borders, renounce their own currency, all speak one language, ALL TO BE RULED BY THE EUROPEAN UNION - their colonial master. So, my European friends, your advice to the Americans is hoplessly flawed. You might as well be from another planet, because the American mindset is constructed so different from the European. Americans only know independence, and cannot even imagine giving that up.
 

swag

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Not only that, but America lacks the historical experience that the rest of the world has. A lot of nations have experienced what it's like to be on top of the world with an empire-of-the-century, being able to make unilateral, might-makes-right decisions. The U.S. has not -- and so the need to actually give a damn about what the rest of the world thinks doesn't really register.

But all of those prior empires have felt the other side of the equation: that you're not on the top of the pile forever, and that the rules of engagement that suited you when you were top dog really suck when you're no longer there. It's not unthinkable to believe a scenario where, say, China becomes an economic -- and relatedly, military -- superpower that could eclipse the U.S. in several decades. Our world tune would likely have to change dramatically under those circumstances, but not until then.
 

KB824

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China already has the second largest economy in the world, and in twenty years, economists predict, China and the US will be neck-and-neck on an economic scale. Not coincidentally, relations between the US and China, from an economic standpoint, is as strong as its been in decades.
 
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Zlatan

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    Just because a person is not the most fluent public speaker, doesn't mean he has a low IQ. Thats just something bandwagon Anti-Bush activists say because they can't think of something more incriminating and that their hate towards Bush gets the better of them.

    A country in shambles which stemmed from the reign of communism is better than the Capitalist U.S.? I think your starting to kid yourself, my friend.
    Do you even read my comments before you reply? I said that Yugoslavia during Tito was more human friendly than todays capitalist US, I didnt say better, altho I'm not saying that the US is better either.
     
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    Zlatan

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    If I were Kerry I'd challenge Bush to an IQ test. I think we all know who'd "win".
     

    mikhail

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    If I were Kerry I'd challenge Bush to an IQ test. I think we all know who'd "win".
    Now, now. That's not really the point. How many decisions has Bush actually made during his spell in the White House? The challenge should really be how Rumsfeld and Cheney would measure up. I suspect neither one would be ashamed of their score.
     
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    Zlatan

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    Yeah, but, like I said before, do the American people really want a president that is nothing more than a puppet? Because thats exactly what Bush is.
     

    swag

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    If I were Kerry I'd challenge Bush to an IQ test. I think we all know who'd "win".
    But the American public has no respect for intellectuals. We're distrustful and treat them as complete outsiders and pointy-headed geeks. Hence the "Bubba-fication" of presidential candidates. People in this country, for whatever illogical reason, would prefer a "president of the people" at their own mental level than one of the intellectual elite.

    I would say an IQ test would be a political liability for Kerry for this reason.

    As an aside, it's shocking for Americans to learn of the reputation engineers have in this country (nerd!) compared with, say, Canada -- where engineers are more generally known as some of the biggest party animals on campus.
     

    KB824

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    Actually, if you're referring to William Clinton as "Bubba", the man graduated from Georgetown, was a Rhodes Scholar at Oxford, and received his law degree from Yale.

    He is a highly intelligent man.
     
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    Zlatan

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    But the American public has no respect for intellectuals. We're distrustful and treat them as complete outsiders and pointy-headed geeks. Hence the "Bubba-fication" of presidential candidates. People in this country, for whatever illogical reason, would prefer a "president of the people" at their own mental level than one of the intellectual elite.

    I would say an IQ test would be a political liability for Kerry for this reason.

    As an aside, it's shocking for Americans to learn of the reputation engineers have in this country (nerd!) compared with, say, Canada -- where engineers are more generally known as some of the biggest party animals on campus.
    Yes I agree, and I've noticed the same thing, altho I personaly think that a leader should be "the best among us", not just "one of us".
     

    Vinman

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    If I were Kerry I'd challenge Bush to an IQ test. I think we all know who'd "win".
    How about a lie detector test...

    All of Kerry's "promises" would be totally exposed..........................
     

    Dragon

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    Kerry wants to rise the minium wage, he wants every American to have health care, but he never presented (at least yesterday) a reasonable plan with numbers. He cant just go around saying stuff he's gonna do when he doesnt even know how much is gonna cost him and what budget he has. If he rises up the minium wage he'll screw up small business who cant afford that. About a health care plan for every american paid by the government, lets see how much is gonna cost him that and where he'll get the money. Someone should remind him money doesnt fall off the sky
     
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    Zlatan

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    OK, we'll ask Kerry about his future decisions and Bush about his past decisions, and then we'll see who's the bigger liar.
     

    Vinman

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    OK, we'll ask Kerry about his future decisions and Bush about his past decisions, and then we'll see who's the bigger liar.
    What lies ????

    Bush is a straightshooter, unlike that whimp Kerry would will say ANYTHING to get elected
     
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    Zlatan

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    Righttttt... Straightshooter, ay? Well, we'll just ask the people of Iraq what they think about that.
     
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