Terrorism (16 Viewers)
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Everyone knows that threads about politics are prohibited here. Martin doesn't want those topics in a juve (soccer) forum. anyhow we let it go in this case. politics is a sensitive subject and by defendig your point of view you can't avoid to "criticize" others one. but at least you can respect the others without offending them. that should be possible - we are old enough, aren't we?
personally, I don't have any problems if soccer fans debate about politics but I demand integrity and ethics as that is the base for every discussion (no matter what topic).
one more insulting/offending post here and I'll close the thread.
personally, I don't have any problems if soccer fans debate about politics but I demand integrity and ethics as that is the base for every discussion (no matter what topic).
one more insulting/offending post here and I'll close the thread.
++ [ originally posted by Majed ] ++
maybe i should have put a smilie...
I know what you meant... and i also know that it's your style of posting. My post was meant to show the mod (Torkel i believe) that everything's ok here.
maybe i should have put a smilie...
I know what you meant... and i also know that it's your style of posting. My post was meant to show the mod (Torkel i believe) that everything's ok here.
Three letters: C ... Y ... A.
Not "CIA". CYA.
Ever notice countries like France and England -- who have dealt with domestic terrorism for far longer than the U.S. ever has -- have never bothered with some kind of public early warning system? It's ludicrous, really.
What is any sane American supposed to do with this information, anyway?
Meanwhile, the way French and British anti-terrorist forces have always handled it, they've gone in and committed intelligence and resources to deal with the situation -- not having to strike fear in the hearts of a public who can't really do anything about it. Extra security checkpoints are established, screenings increase, public garbage cans get sealed ... but no one ever thinks of going public with unusuable information that does little besides spreading panic on rumors.
If this country is supposed to value strong business leaders as a model for strong government leadership, we're failing miserably. One of the jobs of a good manager is to both facilitate communication and also know when to hold back on information. If rank-and-file employees had to freak out about every proposed merger, every early-in-the-quarter revenue shortfall, etc. (i.e., things they have no control over anyway), such a manager would be fired on the spot in corporate America.
Not "CIA". CYA.
Ever notice countries like France and England -- who have dealt with domestic terrorism for far longer than the U.S. ever has -- have never bothered with some kind of public early warning system? It's ludicrous, really.
What is any sane American supposed to do with this information, anyway?
Meanwhile, the way French and British anti-terrorist forces have always handled it, they've gone in and committed intelligence and resources to deal with the situation -- not having to strike fear in the hearts of a public who can't really do anything about it. Extra security checkpoints are established, screenings increase, public garbage cans get sealed ... but no one ever thinks of going public with unusuable information that does little besides spreading panic on rumors.
If this country is supposed to value strong business leaders as a model for strong government leadership, we're failing miserably. One of the jobs of a good manager is to both facilitate communication and also know when to hold back on information. If rank-and-file employees had to freak out about every proposed merger, every early-in-the-quarter revenue shortfall, etc. (i.e., things they have no control over anyway), such a manager would be fired on the spot in corporate America.
Actually, he has a cause -- despite how futile it is. Problem is that you take a madman and people try to apply their own personal rationality to their logic, and they don't get it when it doesn't add up.
It's all about the radical Islam belief that the world is about a holy war between the believers and infidels, and that you have to be on the right side of things when judgement day comes.
Now you might argue that most organized religions are just this shy of being called cults. But really, what you are effectively dealing with in an Al Qaeda and their ilk is truly a cult. And cults don't make a stitch of sense to outsiders likeourselves. One man's fervent religious commitment is another man's Kool-Aid party ... if you catch the Jim Jones reference.
Simple: it's about supplying the war against infidels. It's easy to rationalize this crap when you invoke religion. That's what makes it so powerful and deadly, and yet so much an utter waste for everyone affected. The same rationalizations are used for killing the "innocents" such as children who are incapable of taking any active position on Islamic fundamentalism, killing other Muslims as collateral damage, performing suicide bombings (since suicide is against Islamic law), etc.
This isn't really all that difficult to follow, folks. We're dealing with a cult of insular people with a cause that's as doomed as an effort to boil the ocean. And a lot of innocent people are going to die over their hubris and ignorance in the process, because the fact is they have no hope of ever ultimately succeeding anyway. (At least on this earth. In their minds with their 72 virgins is another story...)
It's all about the radical Islam belief that the world is about a holy war between the believers and infidels, and that you have to be on the right side of things when judgement day comes.
Now you might argue that most organized religions are just this shy of being called cults. But really, what you are effectively dealing with in an Al Qaeda and their ilk is truly a cult. And cults don't make a stitch of sense to outsiders likeourselves. One man's fervent religious commitment is another man's Kool-Aid party ... if you catch the Jim Jones reference.
Simple: it's about supplying the war against infidels. It's easy to rationalize this crap when you invoke religion. That's what makes it so powerful and deadly, and yet so much an utter waste for everyone affected. The same rationalizations are used for killing the "innocents" such as children who are incapable of taking any active position on Islamic fundamentalism, killing other Muslims as collateral damage, performing suicide bombings (since suicide is against Islamic law), etc.
This isn't really all that difficult to follow, folks. We're dealing with a cult of insular people with a cause that's as doomed as an effort to boil the ocean. And a lot of innocent people are going to die over their hubris and ignorance in the process, because the fact is they have no hope of ever ultimately succeeding anyway. (At least on this earth. In their minds with their 72 virgins is another story...)
Torkel,
let Zlatan post what he wants, dont censor him
He's already crossed the line along time ago with me.....no need to close the American Juve thread over his ignorant comments....
I'm sure that whatever he has to say to me will be of no surprise, since most of what he says is nothing but garbage.........
let Zlatan post what he wants, dont censor him
He's already crossed the line along time ago with me.....no need to close the American Juve thread over his ignorant comments....
I'm sure that whatever he has to say to me will be of no surprise, since most of what he says is nothing but garbage.........
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