Terri Schiavo (20 Viewers)

Jul 19, 2003
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#41
Same can be said about adopting stray dogs that are malnourished and starving. You're interfering with will of God there, aren't you? When a person is paralyzed, they also can't feed themselves nor provide for their own. Does that mean it's the will of God that they die and that no one takes care of them? How about the elderly? The sick, the young, the homeless, the poor?
 

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gray

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Apr 22, 2003
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#42
I can guarantee you that the 'will of God' debate can't end peacefully or with any sense of closure whatsoever
 

Dragon

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Apr 24, 2003
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#43
++ [ originally posted by Vinman ] ++
Its a shitty situation...

I really dont know what, or who is right...

I dont think starving the body to death is the humane way of doing this.

They should have given her a lethal injection, and ended it quickly

I agree
 

Hydde

Minimiliano Tristelli
Mar 6, 2003
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#45
well she doesnt feel it , but it will not be good to see her body deteriorate and die in that horribly way.

I think they have to end that quickly.

But above all,, if her family want to keep her alive and they will asume the responsability because thye cant accept or dont want to let her die...well so be it. In the end they are the ones who supposedly love her.
 

gray

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Apr 22, 2003
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#46
just wondering... if throughout these 15 years, she wanted to die instead of being in her current state, would she have been able to show it?
 

The Pado

Filthy Gobbo
Jul 12, 2002
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#47
++ [ originally posted by Bürke ] ++
Bush is a douche.
So true.


Why is Bush even invoilved in this? Why should the man who oversaw 40 executions per year as governor of Texas be taken seriously on the question of keeping one person alive?

And how about those Jesus freaks taking to the streets to support this douch. Do you think any of them have given one thought to the 30,000 or so Iraqis that have died in the current US war? But give them one person that they can use to further their anti-abortion stance (and that is what this really is) and all of a sudden, they care.

Some Republican douche wrote a letter to the newspaper regarding Schiavo stating that "we can not allow people in America to start starving to death. That would be unconscienable." HELLO STUPID! People in America starve to death every damn day. Ever hear of the homeless problem?
 
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Chxta

Chxta

Onye kwe, Chi ya ekwe
Nov 1, 2004
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    Terri Schiavo, the 41-year-old Florida woman who has been hospitalized for 15 years since her heart stopped beating temporarily in 1990, is expected to die in the next few days.

    Terri’s husband, Michael, thinks she should be allowed to die, while her parents have only just now given up the fight to keep her alive. The fact that Congress got involved in this particular woman’s personal affairs in the first place as opposed to someone else’s (or anyone’s for that matter) is beyond me.

    It turns out that there are many myths surrounding the Terri Schindler-Schiavo case. Although a Florida judge ruled to the contrary four years ago, Terri is not in a persistent vegetative state. That means the absence of any kind of cognitive behavior or voluntary action. It means not being able to interact with one’s environment in any way, shape, or form.

    Mrs. Schiavo does not fit this bill.

    According to www.terrisfight.net, she displays voluntary behaviors similar to that of any healthy human being, meaning that she "responds to stimuli, tries to communicate verbally, follows limited commands, laughs or cries in interaction with loved ones, physically distances herself from irritating or painful stimulation and watches loved ones as they move around her."

    So while she may be limited in what she is able to do, she certainly is not unconscious to the world around her. However, what many people who want to keep her alive don’t realize is that she can no longer be a productive member of society.

    This issue has sparked debate from both sides of the euthanasia issue. When it comes to animals, euthanasia is used only as a last resort in instances where the animal is no longer capable of living a healthy, comfortable life.

    For whatever reason, the animal reaches a point where medical assistance is no longer of any help. The purpose of euthanasia is to relieve the animal (and its owners) of any prolonged suffering.

    The feeding tube that had been sustaining Schiavo’s life since the early ‘90s provided her with nothing more than sustenance. It did nothing to improve her condition.

    Schiavo’s husband Michael has since begun a family with another woman but still maintains guardianship over his wife. He claims she would not have wanted to remain living in a state such as she is in now. While I have no reason to believe what he says is true, I have to say that I agree with him on one thing: her parents and everyone else should just let go.

    By allowing her to live, they are not really doing her any favors, only prolonging unnecessary suffering as mentioned before. And while Schiavo is not an animal (in the same sense, anyway), she is no longer able to live productively.

    By allowing her to die, her parents would be relieving themselves of the strain of having to care for her and of having their attempts be continually futile.

    There is a difference between preserving the life of a person who may once again be able to live it, and live it well, and preserving someone’s life when they will in no way progress from their present condition. Part of being a humanist, at least IMO, is the belief that to free people from unnecessary pain and suffering is to be acting in their best interests.

    But the paradox remains that her husband (also IMO) relinquished the right to be her sole guardian when he jumped into bed with the other woman.

    Some of you on this forum might accuse me of being a hypocrite or whatever, I certainly know that I am no Saint, but one thing I have taken extremely seriously since my Army days is any promise I make(which is the reason that I hardly make them in the first place).

    I am a Roman Catholic like Mr Schiavo, and in the Roman Catholic church, the marital vows are one of the most sacred things there are, church going(like Mr Schiavo) or non-church going(like me), you are expected to keep those vows. Mr. Schiavo took a vow which clearly states for better for worse, for richer for poorer, in sickness and in health, united till death do us part. His wife may have been technically dead as some people will say, but she is not yet dead!

    I'd have pulled that plug 10 years ago when it became clear that she wasn't going to recover, instead, he went to get laid. In doing that, he lost the right to be her sole guardian.

    As for her parents, they are not even thinking of their child in a humane way, they are thinking of themselves. You see, no parent wants to bury his own child, and that is what I think is motivating them, but f*ck it, Mr and Mrs Schneider, Terri's gone.

    One of the things that makes us human in the ability to socialize with other humans. And in order to socialize, you have to be able to make contact. Mrs. Schiavo has been incapable of that for the last 15 years, and personally I'll come from the grave to slap whoever lets me live so long in such a state.

    Pull the plug. Let her die. Let the suffering end.

    ChetaChukwu George Nwanze
    Abuja, Nigeria
    0748 30March2005
    Edit: The site www.terrisfight.net was pulled down yesterday due to exceeded monthly quota.
     

    pembohong

    Senior Member
    Jul 24, 2004
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    #52
    I agree that she should rest in peace. But reading about her parents effort to keep her alive just make me sad. :down:

    US appeal court rejects Schiavo parents' new appeal

    World - AFP

    PINELLAS PARK, United States (AFP) - A US federal appeals court rejected a last-ditch appeal by Terri Schiavo's parents to have the fate of the brain-damaged woman whose feeding tube has been cut, considered again by a court.

    Bob and Mary Schindler had taken their case to the 11th US Circuit Court of Appeals in Atlanta, Georgia, after losing numerous previous petitions in federal and Florida courts.

    But the court decided in a majority vote to deny the emergency petition brought by the parents.

    Doctors removed Schiavo's feeding tube on March 18 and her parents have since then failed in multiple attempts to get courts and the US Congress to order the lifeline put back.
     

    Bjerknes

    "Top Economist"
    Mar 16, 2004
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    #54
    ++ [ originally posted by Padovano ] ++

    Some Republican douche wrote a letter to the newspaper regarding Schiavo stating that "we can not allow people in America to start starving to death. That would be unconscienable." HELLO STUPID! People in America starve to death every damn day. Ever hear of the homeless problem?
    Guess not. Their Beamer 745i moves too quick to notice the box people.
     

    Max

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    Jul 15, 2003
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    #55
    If the husband has life insurance on Terri Schiavo and she happens to die, he makes money, no? This could be the reason why he's still married to her, as sad as it may be.
     

    The Pado

    Filthy Gobbo
    Jul 12, 2002
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    #57
    Good question, Donny Ballz. I pay $12 per month for the policy I took out insuring your life, so his premium is probably $45 to $55 per month.
     

    Vinman

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    Jul 16, 2002
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    #59
    ++ [ originally posted by Bürke ] ++
    So, she died today. 13 days after the tube was removed, she was 41.
    I guess the most shitty part about this, is that the husband wouldnt let the parents into the room in those last few moments.................
     

    swag

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    Sep 23, 2003
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    #60
    But unfortunately if every f*$%ed up family with infighting and disrespect and uncivil behavior between its members made the newspapers, they'd publish a daily the size of the NYC yellow pages.
     

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