tactics and formations (12 Viewers)

[Durden]

That's right, so we could potentially switch between the two formations and deploy Zanetti for the more difficult matches. It would be nice if Tiago and Almiron can mesh together and excel as the two central midfielders; that way we could potentially play good football against the more mediocre sides of Serie A for a change.

That would be the best solution imo. I prefer the 4-4-2 with neddy playing his "free" role.

 

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[Durden]

i think he liked the 4-3-3 because i remeber hasselbaink up there alot by himself,which i personally dont like because if we play milan or roma they will play a 4-4-1-1 and that will dominate us too much in midfield. and on the wings we'll get banged.

I to am not a big fan of the 4-3-3, it often starts as a 4-3-3 and ends up as a 4-5-1. But also because it's kinda weird seeing Juve playing 4-3-3, I guess I'm more concervative than I thought...

 

[Ahmed]

yea inevitably it will become a 4 5 1 @ Juventus...much prefer the 4 4 2 withj Nedved in an advanced role whilst Camo helps out in defending as well

 

[Bjerknes]

I to am not a big fan of the 4-3-3, it often starts as a 4-3-3 and ends up as a 4-5-1. But also because it's kinda weird seeing Juve playing 4-3-3, I guess I'm more concervative than I thought...

yea inevitably it will become a 4 5 1 @ Juventus...much prefer the 4 4 2 withj Nedved in an advanced role whilst Camo helps out in defending as well

But that's the beauty of a 4-3-3... it's interchangable. We can start the match with the 4-3-3 and take the game to our opponents, then once we have the lead play more defensively. I hate the straight 4-4-2 because it's simply too repetitive and a really predictable way of attacking in my opinion. The formation does not give the central midfielders much room to move freely, while with the 4-3-3 the players can move freely if they are intelligent and balance themselves. Besdies, the top three in said formation would be able to move more freely as well, which causes more problems for the opposition defense and with the three in midfield gives the team more support behind the 18.

In my opinion, it works better. And If I'm not mistaken, the formation has won more European Cups and World Cups than the straight 4-4-2.

 

[Vinman]

Well, if Tiago and Almiron can give us enough steel in midfield and can handle playing without a defensive midfielder, then I would potentially go with the straight 4-4-2 as well. However, Tiago is not a destroyer and Almiron does not do much in regards to defensive duties, so I'm not sure; we just have to wait and see how they play together. But if we need a destroyer, I'm not willing to drop out one of Tiago or Almiron just to field a player like Zanetti. We bought those two said players to have a major role with this club, so I don't see us benching one of them. And considering that, along with the possibility they don't have the defensive capability to lead us by themselves in Serie A, the only option is to stick a destroyer in there who can provide that defensive solidity while Tiago and Almiron venture forward. This is an issue Ranieri has to address and experiment with.

But as of right now, with our defense as it is, we need a destroyer in there to take the pressure off. Again, we'll just have to see through this next month how Tiago and Almiron will mold together and if they can be solid enough as a unit in the defensive facets of the central midfield role.

from what I saw today, we need a ball-winner in the center, so we should have Nocerino or Zanetti starting in the center of the midfield

 

[Max]

from what I saw today, we need a ball-winner in the center, so we should have Nocerino or Zanetti starting in the center of the midfield

What he said...

 

[Marc]

4-3-3, I already see this is not going to work.

 

[Marc]

The most balanced formation is 4-4-2 and Juventus is used to it perfectly so why change now?

 

[Juve Libnan]

bcuz half the squad is relatively new such as molinaro,criscito,nocerino,andrade,grygera,iaquinta,brazzo,almiron,tiago and not forgetting that marchionni and palla have only played for us in serie b
so trying out new formations is sthing we may have to do to benefit form all these new faces
plus this is the 2nd coach since our demotion...and the management is even new
sponsor is new
so why wouldnt our tactics and formations be new

 

[Marc]

Because oviously it doesn´t work.

 

[David01]

Because oviously it doesn´t work.

how can you say that after one serious friendly game against a team that clearly was better on the fitness part as they will start their league way sooner. We have a new squad, they still have to get to know each other on the pitch. This will take time!
Besides I wouldn't pay to much attention to the result, we played quite well I think against Newcastle, we just hit an excellent goalie but we made some good moves. We still have to blend together and that is what these friendlies are for.

 

[tonykart]

The most balanced formation is 4-4-2 and Juventus is used to it perfectly so why change now?

I agree. It is a good formation that suits the players we have on the roster. The 433 requires SB's that are more skilled moving forward. We don't have that. Plus, the 433 does not utilize the abilities of our 4 main players properly. You get more in attack and defense with the 442 and our roster.

 

[sateeh]

But that's the beauty of a 4-3-3... it's interchangable. We can start the match with the 4-3-3 and take the game to our opponents, then once we have the lead play more defensively. I hate the straight 4-4-2 because it's simply too repetitive and a really predictable way of attacking in my opinion. The formation does not give the central midfielders much room to move freely, while with the 4-3-3 the players can move freely if they are intelligent and balance themselves. Besdies, the top three in said formation would be able to move more freely as well, which causes more problems for the opposition defense and with the three in midfield gives the team more support behind the 18.

In my opinion, it works better. And If I'm not mistaken, the formation has won more European Cups and World Cups than the straight 4-4-2.

the same could be said for the 442 formation which imo is a better solution for a league competition.

I see the need for the 433 formation only if there is an imbalance with the midfield in regards for the defensive duties.

If we can get that part covered then i can see something like man U had last year with carrick and scholes in the midfield.
The good thing with the 442 is that the burden is on the whole team to push forward and the whole to get back and defend and that imo forms a better unit over the long season and it will utilise alex,camo,neddy much better than the 442

 

[David01]

4-4-2 is predictable and relatively easy to defend, sure we had success in the past but I'm sorry to say it, that Juve was better. We can't depend only on the quality of our team now, we need an element of surprise.
It is not because 4-4-2 was good in the past, it is good today. At the moment our defence is the weakest link of our team. We shouldn't sit back then but we should take the game onto their half then and grab them by their throat.
There is plenty of time to see what works best, just give them some time. We have a lot of new players and this takes time. And here you are gunning players and coach down cuz they lost a friendly!

 

[tonykart]

4-4-2 is predictable and relatively easy to defend, sure we had success in the past but I'm sorry to say it, that Juve was better. We can't depend only on the quality of our team now, we need an element of surprise.
It is not because 4-4-2 was good in the past, it is good today. At the moment our defence is the weakest link of our team. We shouldn't sit back then but we should take the game onto their half then and grab them by their throat.
There is plenty of time to see what works best, just give them some time. We have a lot of new players and this takes time. And here you are gunning players and coach down cuz they lost a friendly!

Sounds nice, but if you attack without a good defense you are in bigger trouble than if you eek out 1-0 games. We have a good strike force. Elite names. We should have all we need in attack. We don't need to over-emphasise that part of our game. We need to cover and protect our weakness. Not expose it.

 

[David01]

Sounds nice, but if you attack without a good defense you are in bigger trouble than if you eek out 1-0 games. We have a good strike force. Elite names. We should have all we need in attack. We don't need to over-emphasise that part of our game. We need to cover and protect our weakness. Not expose it.

what are you all so scared about? I know I come from a different part of the world and I'm influenced by the Dutch approach to the game. Just hear me out, isn't this game about scoring goals? Now how do we expose our defence if we take the game into the opponents' half? If our backs lack the speed then they can fall back to 5 meters below midfield. They don' t have to push forward all the time. If we play 4-3-3 we have 5 players that think defensively and 5 that think offensively.
I'm not judging anyone but some of you all don't seem to realise just what this formation is all about. If we lack a good defence ypu will ask for trouble if they are under pressure.
When a team fals to 10 then you have 2 choices, you can strengten your defene which will automatically mean more pressure from the opponents or you can take the game as far away as possible. This is the same idea. Our defence looks shaky at the moment then take the game away from your own goal.

 

[tonykart]

what are you all so scared about? I know I come from a different part of the world and I'm influenced by the Dutch approach to the game. Just hear me out, isn't this game about scoring goals? Now how do we expose our defence if we take the game into the opponents' half? If our backs lack the speed then they can fall back to 5 meters below midfield. They don' t have to push forward all the time. If we play 4-3-3 we have 5 players that think defensively and 5 that think offensively.
I'm not judging anyone but some of you all don't seem to realise just what this formation is all about. If we lack a good defence ypu will ask for trouble if they are under pressure.
When a team fals to 10 then you have 2 choices, you can strengten your defene which will automatically mean more pressure from the opponents or you can take the game as far away as possible. This is the same idea. Our defence looks shaky at the moment then take the game away from your own goal.

1. We don't have good enough sidebacks to make the 4-3-3 work
2. The formation takes Nedved and Camo out of their natural positions where they are extremely effective.
3. Teams that play in the opponents half are extremely suseptible to the counter-attack. That is a fact.
4. The players we have do not fit that well into a 4-3-3. There is nothing wrong with 4-4-2. It is our best shot.

 

[dossis1986]

i prefer 4-2-3-1

Buffon

grygera-bumsong-adrande-chiellini

tiago-almiron

camoranesi - del piero - nedved

trezegol

 

[tonykart]

i prefer 4-2-3-1

Buffon

grygera-bumsong-adrande-chiellini

tiago-almiron

camoranesi - del piero - nedved

trezegol

That is basically what we play. I still don't like Tiago and Almiron together.

 

[tonykart]

If we start the lineup in my signature I really don't see a weakness except Molinaro. But, if Molinaro plays this year with us, like he did last year at Siena, he won't be a weakness at all. Even our backups fit perfectly into this system. It is a good lineup that is close to Roma and Fiorentina in terms of talent.