Tactics and Formations (19 Viewers)

[Red]

I wouldn't want to see a 3-5-1-1 or 4-4-1-1 next season.

I really really dislike isolating one striker up top. If we want to use a trequartista, switch to a 4-3-1-2.

I wasn't suggesting 4-4-1-1 for Juve. It just happens to be my preferred shape in general.

One could argue that Juve have been playing 3-5-1-1 all season, since Vucinic has pretty much always played behind the other forward.

Movements and balance are quite different when it's a midfielder playing off Vucinic rather than Vucinic playing off another forward, though.

 

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[jukazem]

Much rather change the regista with a trequarista than change the back-line.

 

[Red]

I don't know if Conte is gonna change his formation next season. But one thing is sure. It'll be a formation that holds 4 CM's. Pogba, Marchisio, Vidal & Pirlo.

I wouldn't be so sure about that.

I know that Conte has said he made the change to incorporate Pogba, but he wouldn't have made the change if Juve's forwards were playing well.

He just chose to put the positive spin of Pogba's form on the decision rather than the negative angle that would have involved criticising the forwards.

 

[TrezJuve]

I hope we at least change to a back four depending on the opponent next year.

I wasn't suggesting 4-4-1-1 for Juve. It just happens to be my preferred shape in general.

One could argue that Juve have been playing 3-5-1-1 all season, since Vucinic has pretty much always played behind the other forward.

Movements and balance are quite different when it's a midfielder playing off Vucinic rather than Vucinic playing off another forward, though.

I've always thought our forwards were isolated in a 3-5-2 given the types of wing backs we have.

 

[Red]

I hope we at least change to a back four depending on the opponent next year.

That's the key thing as far as I'm concerned.

I've been over the complexities of trying to play three (or five) at the back against three forwards often enough this season that I'm not about to go into it again.

 

[napoleonic]

the problem with current tactics are :

- rely too much on box to box midfielders & wingbacks that lack technique when attacking
- both cms and wbs are often positioned too far from the sole regista and defense when attacking so that it become long ball football
- forwards can't hold the ball long enough

 

[ZoSo]

4-2-3-1 would be great imo.

We could play Licht-Barza-Bonu-Chiello back 4 which could then change into a back 3 in offense with licht moving further up to make a 3-3-3-1

In the MF I would play Pogba-Asamoah. Both are very physical but also good passers, spreading what would be Pirlo's duty between the two. Also makes it harder for us to be shut out like when Pirlo is.

RAM we would need someone with great crosses. A natural winger would probably work better than a foward like Vucinic. CAM I would play Vidal, he has a great ability for defence splitting balls but also would give us much higher intensity allowing us to win many balls higher up the pitch. He is quite decent on the dribble and faking out opponents, so he could probably create many chances for himself. LAM I would play Vucinic in the same as role as when he played left in 4-3-3 last season. Asamoah could also be used to make runs from deep ala Marchisio with Vidal dropping a little deeper to cover. Marchisio would make an amazing sub or rotation choice, he could easily start too. Pirlo could be used in lower intensity games, like most Serie A matches.

ST Llorente... no explanation needed.

Buffon
Licht-Barzagli-Bonucci-Chiellini
Pogba-Asamoah
????-Vidal-Vucinic
Llorente​

 

[MikeM]

The 3-5-2 was fine for this season domestically. But we saw how hard it was to cope in Europe because our 3-5-2 relies too much on players who are not up to snuff in Europe. Pirlo gets run over and run through, our wingbacks offer little offensively, and Bonucci is not as good as a Barza-Chiellini partnership.

It became clear that although we are one of the most athletic teams in Italy, we are not close to the level of Barca/Real/Bayern/Dortmund in terms of pace, strength and attack.

I would really like to bring in some attacking talent and switch to a more aggressive 4-2-3-1 style formation with Pirlo kept in strict rotation against mostly unathletic teams, which is most of Serie A, but not all of it. Bonucci, in my opinion we can sell or rotate him sparingly with Barza and Chiellini. Barzagli and Chiellini is a top CB partnership in the world, there's no doubt about it.

I would like to see something like this:

Lichtsteiner-Barzagli-Chiellini-Left Back
Pogba-Asamoah
Nani-Vidal-Sanchez
Llorente​

Yes, in a dream world we could secure some athletic flank players, not necessarily those 2 exact players but players of that skill set. Of course, Mirko, Pepe and even Giovinco can occupy those wide areas as well but I think only Pepe is cut out for a wide role in CL games because of his work rate. Mirko perhaps in short bursts could be effective there but he's quite clearly slowing down a bit.

Asamoah and Marchisio can rotate a bit. Asamoah can perhaps slide into LB against very defensive sides in Serie A. I think we have to give Pogba a much larger role. I think he's up for it.

 

[napoleonic]

and yet despite all the fans talk, the management and the coaching staffs will not change the team, what a bunch of trolls they are.

 

[LiquidPLP]

IMO we should go back to the 4-3-3. We don't need typical regista like Pirlo to continue playing with this formation but rather we need to have more attacking and aggressive approach to the game. More pressing and base our game on wingers more. Use height and with of pitch.

With the 4-3-3 our only problem was finishing. This should be solved with Llorente as CF. Get me Sanchez and play 4-3-3 please. I've got enough of 3-5-2 or whatever it is called these days.

It's ashame we can't keep possession at home vs Bbilan no wonder Bayern won so easily against us.

We have strong squad for the 4-3-3 so rising intensity of our game shouldn't be a problem.

 

[Bianconero_Aus]

and yet despite all the fans talk, the management and the coaching staffs will not change the team, what a bunch of trolls they are.

Trolling their way to another Serie A title. I don't mind.

You need to get laid mate.

 

[Dominic]

It has been said a million times, but it rings true: We just need some tactical offensive alternatives. Bringing in one or two wing players and the return of Pepe would give Conte the ability to change and make subs that open up play in-game.

 

[Red]

Buffon
Licht-Barzagli-Bonucci-Chiellini
Pogba-Asamoah
????-Vidal-Vucinic
Llorente​

Lichtsteiner-Barzagli-Chiellini-Left Back
Pogba-Asamoah
Nani-Vidal-Sanchez
Llorente​

Why do you guys choose to present that as 4-2-3-1 rather than 4-3-3?

It's not like Vidal would really play high enough up to be considered a trequartista, just that he'd be the one of the midfield three who'd be likely to push forward the most.

I'm not asking this question out of some great tactical curiousity, but everyone seems desperate to call things 4-2-3-1 now.

I'm sure that systems that would have been called 4-3-3 or 4-4-2 in the past are now having the 4-2-3-1 tag stuck on them, since it's currently the trendy formation.

Sometimes it's a better description of them, sometimes it's not.

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Also, it's nice to see we're back to a point where people are discarding Marchisio from their teams.

 

[Mr Chocolate]

4-3-1-2

perfect.

------------buffon------------
licht----barza----chiellini---peluso/ left back

---marchisio/pogs--pirlo--vidalo------
-----------vucinic------------
-----llorente-----new signing

 

[ZoSo]

Why do you guys choose to present that as 4-2-3-1 rather than 4-3-3?

It's not like Vidal would really play high enough up to be considered a trequartista, just that he'd be the one of the midfield three who'd be likely to push forward the most.

I'm not asking this question out of some great tactical curiousity, but everyone seems desperate to call things 4-2-3-1 now.

I'm sure that systems that would have been called 4-3-3 or 4-4-2 in the past are now having the 4-2-3-1 tag stuck on them, since it's currently the trendy formation.

Sometimes it's a better description of them, sometimes it's not.

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Also, it's nice to see we're back to a point where people are discarding Marchisio from their teams.

In my formation he would. Maybe not a trequartista, but a very high up AM with very good ball winning ability.

I really don't think it's that similar to a 4-3-3... imo in this 4-2-3-1 the 2 CMs would play deeper and the wide ams/wingers would play narrower than 4-3-3.

 

[Roman]

Both 4-3-3 and 4-2-3-1 will be good.
I just hope we find the right players for those formations,and not play guys out of positions...(Asa).

 

[MikeM]

Why do you guys choose to present that as 4-2-3-1 rather than 4-3-3?

It's not like Vidal would really play high enough up to be considered a trequartista, just that he'd be the one of the midfield three who'd be likely to push forward the most.

I'm not asking this question out of some great tactical curiousity, but everyone seems desperate to call things 4-2-3-1 now.

I'm sure that systems that would have been called 4-3-3 or 4-4-2 in the past are now having the 4-2-3-1 tag stuck on them, since it's currently the trendy formation.

Sometimes it's a better description of them, sometimes it's not.

- - - Updated - - -

Also, it's nice to see we're back to a point where people are discarding Marchisio from their teams.

Well for me, I think Vidal should be further forward than the other 2 midfielders. If you call it a 4-3-3 then he's going to be in the middle of a 3 man mid and usually that player is more of a regista. If you move him forward, you leave the ball playing to Pogba mostly which I'm ok with.

I would actually want him in more of a trequartista role than a DM role. Or at least, further ahead of the midfield so as to create a triangle with Vidal only dropping deep in line with the other 2 midfielders when absolutely necessary. Of course, in this setup, we'd be pressing much higher up the pitch so Vidal's range and work rate would not be wasted.

In regards to Marchisio, I think it's clear Vidal is a class above and Pogba is at least his equal or very close. Difference being, Pogba is 20 years old and improving rapidly. It makes sense to keep pushing him as far as he can go. He could be truly world class in a year or two.

That leaves one midfield position for him, Pirlo and Asamoah. I think they all bring vastly different qualities so a rotation is quite sensible between them 3 and Pogba. I'm eager to see Asamoah as a CM because I think he gives us another element of athleticism.

Again though, this is all predicated on a much more aggressive/pressing setup. Of course there is room for Marchisio and Pirlo but I don't think they are guaranteed starters anymore.

 

[Zacheryah]

Why do you guys choose to present that as 4-2-3-1 rather than 4-3-3?

It's not like Vidal would really play high enough up to be considered a trequartista, just that he'd be the one of the midfield three who'd be likely to push forward the most.

I'm not asking this question out of some great tactical curiousity, but everyone seems desperate to call things 4-2-3-1 now.

I'm sure that systems that would have been called 4-3-3 or 4-4-2 in the past are now having the 4-2-3-1 tag stuck on them, since it's currently the trendy formation.

Sometimes it's a better description of them, sometimes it's not.

- - - Updated - - -

Also, it's nice to see we're back to a point where people are discarding Marchisio from their teams.

You said it yourself, Llorente is very good with mobile players around him, 4-2-3-1 gives just that, and i definatly would put marchisio as treq to balance stuff out

have an inside forward, and an attacking mid next to marchisio, who both have alot of good movement

vidal-pogba/asa
draxler-marchi-suarez
llorente​

Marchisio will do fantastic in this formation when having a focal point in front, remember how well he combined with mirko, and fast skillfull players next to him.

Our attack would be so very unpredictable

 

[Bianconero81]

Well, we need to get Draxler and Suarez first

 

[adRHCP]

4-3-1-2

perfect.

------------buffon------------
licht----barza----chiellini---new signing/Peluso

---Vidal/pogs--pirlo--Marchisio------
-----------Draxler------------
-----llorente-----new signing