Swine flu fears prompt Hajj curbs (14 Viewers)

Seven

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/8164535.stm

Swine flu fears prompt Hajj curbs

Millions of people attend the annual Hajj, due this year in November.
Arab health ministers have agreed to prevent vulnerable groups joining this year's Muslim Hajj pilgrimage to Mecca, because of fears over swine flu.

People aged over 65 and under 12, and those with chronic diseases, will be excluded from the event, a World Health Orgnization official said on Wednesday.

In June, Saudi Arabia asked elderly and sick Muslims not to visit this year.

At least two million people took part in the last Hajj, which falls this year in November.

The decision to keep the vulnerable groups away from the pilgrimage must still be ratified by the health ministers' governments, Ibrahim al-Kerdani of the WHO said.

Reduction expected

The decision was made at emergency talks in Cairo between health ministers from around the Muslim world and WHO officials.

Saudi Health Minister Abdullah al-Rabeeah said his country would not reduce the number of visas it granted to pilgrims, but that he expected pilgrim numbers to be reduced this year.

The WHO says there are 952 cases of the virus - known as H1N1 in its Eastern Mediterranean region, which stretches from Afghanistan to Morocco.

The only death so far in the region was announced by Egypt on Sunday, and was a woman who had returned from a pilgrimage trip to Saudi Arabia.

As well as the annual Hajj pilgrimage, which all Muslims are required to make at least once if they have the means, the faithful can also make a lesser pilgrimage to Mecca, known as umra, at any time of year.

As of 6 July, there were more than 130,000 cases of swine flu worldwide, with more than 700 deaths from the virus.


It might surprise you, but this thread is not about religion, but about the flu. What do you guys think? Will any of the measures succeed? Seems to be spreading quite rapidly in the United Kingdom.
 

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    They even expect 2mln people to suffer from it in Serbia within the next year. It's going to be a real disaster IMO.
    My mom's already in a crisis committee. Although the people are not worried at all over here, the Belgian government is doing a lot at the moment. Seems that a pandemic (in the popular sense of the word) will take place. Even if most people just get the flu and don't die, the virus could mutate and it would be plain annoying for 1/3 of the population to be sick. I expect some sort of chaos in September.
     
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    How many people catch regular flu a year?
    Way less than a third of the population. Fatality rates don't seem to be any different though.

    You've got 100 000 NEW cases in the UK right now too, which is a bit odd considering the fact it's July.
     

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    My mom's already in a crisis committee. Although the people are not worried at all over here, the Belgian government is doing a lot at the moment. Seems that a pandemic (in the popular sense of the word) will take place. Even if most people just get the flu and don't die, the virus could mutate and it would be plain annoying for 1/3 of the population to be sick. I expect some sort of chaos in September.
    People are not worried here either, majoriy is not even aware of the possible problem we're currently facing. In other words, they don't really care about it. But as a whole state our government has stated that "we're ready for it". They are already thinking to close schools and everything eventually. God forbit it mutats, it will make a chaos. Yeah, later Semptember is going to be decisive probably.
     
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    I'm not too worried about it.

    :lol:
    Well, the good news is you're not dying. I'm not too worried about getting sick if that's what you mean. What I am worried about is that a lot of things will simply have to be put on hold.
     
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    People are not worried here either, majoriy is not even aware of the possible problem we're currently facing. In other words, they don't really care about it. But as a whole state our government has stated that "we're ready for it". They are already thinking to close schools and everything eventually. God forbit it mutats, it will make a chaos. Yeah, later Semptember is going to be decisive probably.
    Schools don't close in Belgium. They never do.
     

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    Well, the good news is you're not dying. I'm not too worried about getting sick if that's what you mean. What I am worried about is that a lot of things will simply have to be put on hold.
    I was laughing at the irony. If I get sick it's going to suck.

    Do you have health care btw?
     
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    I was laughing at the irony. If I get sick it's going to suck.

    Do you have health care btw?
    All Belgians do and both of my parents are doctors. I also have a brother and three sisters who are still quite young and go to school. The chances of me catching the virus are probably 90%. I do get easier access to meds than most though. Through my parents, but most likely also through the government. Because I'm in a risk population, I get certain advantages.

    How about yourself?
     

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    All Belgians do and both of my parents are doctors. I also have a brother and three sisters who are still quite young and go to school. The chances of me catching the virus are probably 90%. I do get easier access to meds than most though. Through my parents, but most likely also through the government. Because I'm in a risk population, I get certain advantages.

    How about yourself?
    I am one of the uninsured.
     
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    I am one of the uninsured.
    So what would the US government do? Surely the conditions would change if it were to explode in a pandemic? I mean, they can't make you pay tons of money to get treatment, right?
     

    Nenz

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    This flu is harmless unless you're already suffering from another disease in which case it can potentially kill you because your immune system is already so depleted. In my city I know plenty people who've had it. Its not worse then a normal flu and it lasts only a few days.
     

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    So what would the US government do? Surely the conditions would change if it were to explode in a pandemic? I mean, they can't make you pay tons of money to get treatment, right?
    That's absolutely what they would do. Free market health care and all that.
     
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    This flu is harmless unless you're already suffering from another disease in which case it can potentially kill you because your immune system is already so depleted. In my city I know plenty people who've had it. Its not worse then a normal flu and it lasts only a few days.
    Unfortunately you are wrong. Very wrong. The normal flu hits the elderly hardest. This one doesn't. On the plus side most don't die. Like you say, most die if they have underlying illnesses. The chances of it mutating are higher though, because of the higher numbers and odds are that doctors won't be able to do all the work. The bigger problem is the strain it will place on society.
     

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    Swine flu could be a good thing in my country. It may be a non-lethal way to point out the failures of the American health care system and force the country to look toward a non-corporate option.
     

    Nenz

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    Unfortunately you are wrong. Very wrong. The normal flu hits the elderly hardest. This one doesn't. On the plus side most don't die. Like you say, most die if they have underlying illnesses. The chances of it mutating are higher though, because of the higher numbers and odds are that doctors won't be able to do all the work. The bigger problem is the strain it will place on society.
    Trust me I've seen people who have the illness first hand, and it was almost unnoticeable, apart from a pretty mild flu symptoms. This disease is only deadly in two scenarios.
    1. You are already diagnosed with a more serious illness.
    2. Like you say, it mutates into something much more serious.
    I'm confident that a vaccine will be at our disposal soon before it reaches that point. They've been working on it frantically for months.
    Remember SARS? Birdflu? I'm not worried about this.
     

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