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Respaul

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Im not trying to prove a point, but for example the SATs are easier than the admission tests for universities in this country
Does the hardness of that test have any real bearing on the level of education they received prior to the test or will receive after it... ??

No
 

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Amash

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++ [ originally posted by Shadowfax ] ++



Can you show us any evidence to say that you learn more than americans ?
Yea I can. For example my friend he was worst student in our class than he have gone in New York to his uncle for one year and he was best in his class in some NY high school. When he came from America he was worst than when he left Bosnia(he became junkie). Don't tell me please that he went in some bad high school cause that isn't case.
 

Amash

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How is that evidence... thats a story that may or may not be true... Im not saying its not true... but you could have jus made it up
I haven't made that up
I can give you phone number of that friend of mine and you can ask him if you want to, i can't find you better evidence
BTW. he is clean now
 

Bjerknes

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++ [ originally posted by Amash ] ++


Yea I can. For example my friend he was worst student in our class than he have gone in New York to his uncle for one year and he was best in his class in some NY high school. When he came from America he was worst than when he left Bosnia(he became junkie). Don't tell me please that he went in some bad high school cause that isn't case.
:howler: Yeah, that's evidence alright. Do you have his records from his time in that supposed New York high school, or did he just tell you directly?
 

Dragon

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++ [ originally posted by Shadowfax ] ++


Does the hardness of that test have any real bearing on the level of education they received prior to the test or will receive after it... ??

No
True, but what I was trying to say is that those tests should reflect what people have learned in school. I guess that if you really wanted to compare what group of people learn more then they both should do the same test
 
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Zlatan

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    ++ [ originally posted by Andy ] ++


    Several and several...and you can't just draw conclusions by comparing two separate classes carried out by two separate teachers.

    Well, I dont know about you, but here there's a standard teaching programe, and the teacher can only change so much.

    It was just an example.


    ++ [ originally posted by Shadowfax ] ++


    If its true it cant be hard to find reports to back this up... there are education standard reports etc all over the internet...

    Ideological approaches to textbooks and curricula creation

    Traditional perception of defining the quality and scope of curriculum content has been retained in Bosnia and Herzegovina as, after all, in the whole former Yugoslavia and central and Eastern Europe. In spite of numerous attempts to carry out educational reforms, especially during the period of communist rule 1945 - 1990, the fundamental postulate has never been challenged. For the sake of truth, it must be said that transitions from one ideological system of education to another, were always gradual as the development level of previous educational systems had not allowed rapid changes. They were especially actual during the period from 1958 to 1987, when it appeared that the reforms were finally brought to an end. As a rule, every time the changes used to be adopted with a presumption that they bring something new and better in relation to the previous situation. Yet, the justification of enlargement of curriculum content scope had never been challenged. They continued to be aimed towards plentiful accumulation of data and facts from several teaching subjects. Such an approach was often justified by the necessity that our students gain a very broad knowledge base and not only a narrow, vocational one. That is where the ideological superiority of the local educational system over the one of capitalistic countries was often shown. It has been claimed that bigger quantity of basic knowledge ensures a better knowledge complement and reorganization within chosen, future profession even into completely different profession profile than the one initially chosen by students. In seventies, such a concept was challenged in a certain extent when the "vocational education" was introduced but, very soon, that large educational experiment failed in practice. One could claim that the major mistake of the approach was a result of the presumption that the communist Yugoslavia would be living a constant progress, comprehensive economic prosperity and almost total employment. On the other side, the changes implemented in the educational system, also had a completely defined ideological background, for the then dominant standpoints on the working class' power based on free work exchange, should have been implemented.
     

    Amash

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    ++ [ originally posted by Andy ] ++


    And please tell me what bearing this topic has in the current discussion...that's right, none.
    It has
    If i haven't said that Shadowfax would answered me I don't want number from a junkie
     

    Respaul

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    ++ [ originally posted by Amash ] ++


    I haven't made that up
    I can give you phone number of that friend of mine and you can ask him if you want to, i can't find you better evidence
    BTW. he is clean now
    I didnt say you were lieing...

    I asked fopr evidence... eg. one of the hundreds of world education standards reports available on the internet... and instead you gave a story of your friends experience... Thats not evidence and it is possible you made that up
     
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    Zlatan

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    ++ [ originally posted by Shadowfax ] ++


    Ok, you got me there... but others have

    I havent either, all I've said is that, due to the remains of the communist educational system, the educational requirements on students here is much higher than in the US or in the rest of Europe for that matter. Which I'm sure is true.
     

    Amash

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    ++ [ originally posted by Zlatan ] ++

    Ideological approaches to textbooks and curricula creation

    Traditional perception of defining the quality and scope of curriculum content has been retained in Bosnia and Herzegovina as, after all, in the whole former Yugoslavia and central and Eastern Europe. In spite of numerous attempts to carry out educational reforms, especially during the period of communist rule 1945 - 1990, the fundamental postulate has never been challenged. For the sake of truth, it must be said that transitions from one ideological system of education to another, were always gradual as the development level of previous educational systems had not allowed rapid changes. They were especially actual during the period from 1958 to 1987, when it appeared that the reforms were finally brought to an end. As a rule, every time the changes used to be adopted with a presumption that they bring something new and better in relation to the previous situation. Yet, the justification of enlargement of curriculum content scope had never been challenged. They continued to be aimed towards plentiful accumulation of data and facts from several teaching subjects. Such an approach was often justified by the necessity that our students gain a very broad knowledge base and not only a narrow, vocational one. That is where the ideological superiority of the local educational system over the one of capitalistic countries was often shown. It has been claimed that bigger quantity of basic knowledge ensures a better knowledge complement and reorganization within chosen, future profession even into completely different profession profile than the one initially chosen by students. In seventies, such a concept was challenged in a certain extent when the "vocational education" was introduced but, very soon, that large educational experiment failed in practice. One could claim that the major mistake of the approach was a result of the presumption that the communist Yugoslavia would be living a constant progress, comprehensive economic prosperity and almost total employment. On the other side, the changes implemented in the educational system, also had a completely defined ideological background, for the then dominant standpoints on the working class' power based on free work exchange, should have been implemented.
    Well done Z;)
     

    Dragon

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    I havent either, all I've said is that, due to the remains of the communist educational system, the educational requirements on students here is much higher than in the US or in the rest of Europe for that matter. Which I'm and sure is true.
    Is that just high school?
     

    Respaul

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    Well, I dont know about you, but here there's a standard teaching programe, and the teacher can only change so much.

    It was just an example.





    Ideological approaches to textbooks and curricula creation

    Traditional perception of defining the quality and scope of curriculum content has been retained in Bosnia and Herzegovina as, after all, in the whole former Yugoslavia and central and Eastern Europe. In spite of numerous attempts to carry out educational reforms, especially during the period of communist rule 1945 - 1990, the fundamental postulate has never been challenged. For the sake of truth, it must be said that transitions from one ideological system of education to another, were always gradual as the development level of previous educational systems had not allowed rapid changes. They were especially actual during the period from 1958 to 1987, when it appeared that the reforms were finally brought to an end. As a rule, every time the changes used to be adopted with a presumption that they bring something new and better in relation to the previous situation. Yet, the justification of enlargement of curriculum content scope had never been challenged. They continued to be aimed towards plentiful accumulation of data and facts from several teaching subjects. Such an approach was often justified by the necessity that our students gain a very broad knowledge base and not only a narrow, vocational one. That is where the ideological superiority of the local educational system over the one of capitalistic countries was often shown. It has been claimed that bigger quantity of basic knowledge ensures a better knowledge complement and reorganization within chosen, future profession even into completely different profession profile than the one initially chosen by students. In seventies, such a concept was challenged in a certain extent when the "vocational education" was introduced but, very soon, that large educational experiment failed in practice. One could claim that the major mistake of the approach was a result of the presumption that the communist Yugoslavia would be living a constant progress, comprehensive economic prosperity and almost total employment. On the other side, the changes implemented in the educational system, also had a completely defined ideological background, for the then dominant standpoints on the working class' power based on free work exchange, should have been implemented.
    Dont see where that says any thing other than your education policy... it doesnt show you to learn more than said country at all...

    Also it brings the question as to which is the best policy... from that it says that you focus on basic understanding of multiple subjects... Who says or can proove that is more beneficial than a more in depth approach...

    Its jus a policy outline not a report that shows any kind of comparison whatsoever...

    Or that you are better educated and prepared for the world outside...
     
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    Zlatan

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    ++ [ originally posted by 674083912 ] ++


    Is that just high school?

    Primary school, high school and college. It's changing a bit now tho, when I was in first grade of primary school we already had grades (1-5) and you could fail the class FFS, as a 6 year old kid. My sister now has a more european approach (also 1st grade), and young children now learn through play.
     

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