We can't offload him, what sane manager would offer him the amount that we are paying him!
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I really feel like the problem isn’t with our players. Juve has become a toxic environment, and no player can reach their full potential in this current Juve—kind of like Manchester United.
Locatelli, Vlahović, Douglas Luiz, Nico González, Koopmeiners,,, I don’t think any of them are bad players. They all have the potential to shine in a team with a healthy environment and a coach who can create a good atmosphere. I’m sure if these players leave Juve, they will thrive elsewhere, just like they were great players before joining Juve.
The problem lies elsewhere, and we need to fix that. Buying and selling players is not our main solution. Take Vlahović, for example, I believe if he leaves Juve, he could easily score 30 goals a season, and we’ll end up regretting selling him.
I hope Tudor is the one who can improve this toxic environment and help the players regain their self-confidence. In my opinion, if our current squad finds its confidence and manages to show its true potential, it’s not a bad squad at all.
Locatelli, Vlahović, Douglas Luiz, Nico González, Koopmeiners,,, I don’t think any of them are bad players. They all have the potential to shine in a team with a healthy environment and a coach who can create a good atmosphere. I’m sure if these players leave Juve, they will thrive elsewhere, just like they were great players before joining Juve.
The problem lies elsewhere, and we need to fix that. Buying and selling players is not our main solution. Take Vlahović, for example, I believe if he leaves Juve, he could easily score 30 goals a season, and we’ll end up regretting selling him.
I hope Tudor is the one who can improve this toxic environment and help the players regain their self-confidence. In my opinion, if our current squad finds its confidence and manages to show its true potential, it’s not a bad squad at all.
I honestly think we’ve become the Manchester United of Italy, and buying and selling players won’t solve our problems—just like United spent nearly €2 billion on players and still remained the same. When a team has a toxic environment, no matter how many stars you sign, they won’t be able to perform at their best.
I agree that we need changes at the top of the club and in management, but I also believe the coach plays a crucial role. We went through a similar period before Conte, with the difference being that our squad back then was actually weak. But when Conte arrived, he changed that toxic and losing mentality, injected fresh motivation and spirit, and turned average players like Lichtsteiner, Vucinic, and Vidal into stars. Maybe if Conte hadn’t been at Juve, Lichtsteiner and Vidal would’ve ended up flopping like Melo, Diego, and others.
or just look at Barcelona last season and this season—Raphinha, Pedri, Gavi, and others were all heavily criticized and even close to being sold, but this season, under Flick, they’ve been among the best in the world. I think Juve’s problem is exactly the same right now—we need a coach like that. Otherwise, our squad isn’t as bad as it seems.
That’s why I believe a good coach can be vital in unlocking a player's true potential.
I agree that we need changes at the top of the club and in management, but I also believe the coach plays a crucial role. We went through a similar period before Conte, with the difference being that our squad back then was actually weak. But when Conte arrived, he changed that toxic and losing mentality, injected fresh motivation and spirit, and turned average players like Lichtsteiner, Vucinic, and Vidal into stars. Maybe if Conte hadn’t been at Juve, Lichtsteiner and Vidal would’ve ended up flopping like Melo, Diego, and others.
or just look at Barcelona last season and this season—Raphinha, Pedri, Gavi, and others were all heavily criticized and even close to being sold, but this season, under Flick, they’ve been among the best in the world. I think Juve’s problem is exactly the same right now—we need a coach like that. Otherwise, our squad isn’t as bad as it seems.
That’s why I believe a good coach can be vital in unlocking a player's true potential.
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Man Utd make the wrong choices - They choose the flashy coach rather than a really good one - Similar to us although we are linked with Conte so it might change.
Players wise - Its not just about buying players, players need to fit the relevant positions and be set in a working system. In this regard we are definitely not Man Utd.
We have some good players but also some jabronis while we cant splash billions to make it work since we dont have the Man Utd funds.
I think we need to wait and see.
Average players like Licht Vucinic and Vidal? Seriously? When were they that average?
Vidal was a beast before and after joining Juve.
Licht was the best RB in Serie A and I wanted him to sign for us a couple of seasons before we got him.
Vucinic is the closest you can refer to average but he was a very good player with great link up play and was quite creative BUT he wasnt a goal scorer. - After joining us he did the same in a better team.
Melo flopped because he is meh aside for his presence which helped him winning duels.
Diego was a mystery - On paper he could have done great and maybe he needed a change of coach but maybe we saw the efficiency vs flair thing and chose to continue with Quagliarella and selling Diego who they deemed as overrated.
Players wise - Its not just about buying players, players need to fit the relevant positions and be set in a working system. In this regard we are definitely not Man Utd.
We have some good players but also some jabronis while we cant splash billions to make it work since we dont have the Man Utd funds.
I think we need to wait and see.
Average players like Licht Vucinic and Vidal? Seriously? When were they that average?
Vidal was a beast before and after joining Juve.
Licht was the best RB in Serie A and I wanted him to sign for us a couple of seasons before we got him.
Vucinic is the closest you can refer to average but he was a very good player with great link up play and was quite creative BUT he wasnt a goal scorer. - After joining us he did the same in a better team.
Melo flopped because he is meh aside for his presence which helped him winning duels.
Diego was a mystery - On paper he could have done great and maybe he needed a change of coach but maybe we saw the efficiency vs flair thing and chose to continue with Quagliarella and selling Diego who they deemed as overrated.
I suspect it's more about complacency. Upon arriving at Juventus "you've made it". If you add a coach like Motta with modern ideas who hardly tells them off and only focus on positives (maybe exaggarated a bit but..) then the team lose the same spirit that Napoli players have, taking their ice baths in trash bins and dealing with the powerty of the city that reminds them just how lucky they are every single day.
I do agree with your point about Barcelona. Flick is a fantastic coach and Raphinha owes his career to this man.
I do agree with your point about Barcelona. Flick is a fantastic coach and Raphinha owes his career to this man.
a coach would help, but we also need a professional working environment. and unfortunately juventus as a club is the weakest i remember since post calciopoli. since i've been following the club ('86) we always had a strong organization behind the players, save for post calciopoli and post plusvalenzapoli. so a strong coach is definitely needed, but won't be enough if ferrero, scanavino and giuntoli stay in charge. we also have to find a strong president and ceo, otherwise the coach would be on his own
Conte joined on 2011
Before he joined - We had multiple coaches including Ferrara and Del Neri - 7th placed twice in a row IIRC
Then Conte got here and didnt really got us the Ronaldos and Messis but he knew what he wanted and the players that will fit. We ended as champions and undefeated (even if there is a controversy about one game).
Ferrero Scanavino and Giuntoli - Honestly I know less about their job and their performance (maybe we see a bit of Giuntoli) but if we have a good coach the whole thing is going to change.
The type of players, their work on the field, their movement...
I just hope we do go after Conte in the summer.
Before he joined - We had multiple coaches including Ferrara and Del Neri - 7th placed twice in a row IIRC
Then Conte got here and didnt really got us the Ronaldos and Messis but he knew what he wanted and the players that will fit. We ended as champions and undefeated (even if there is a controversy about one game).
Ferrero Scanavino and Giuntoli - Honestly I know less about their job and their performance (maybe we see a bit of Giuntoli) but if we have a good coach the whole thing is going to change.
The type of players, their work on the field, their movement...
I just hope we do go after Conte in the summer.
Vidal, Lichtsteiner, Vucinic, and many others who joined Juve that season weren’t really considered stars or big players when they arrived. Sure, they were talented and had performed well in their previous teams for a season or two, but none of them were top-tier stars. It was Conte who turned them into stars and managed to unlock their full potential. We even had examples within the team—Marchisio, Bonucci, and even Barzagli were pretty average players before Conte, but he transformed them into beasts.
That’s exactly my point now. The players we’ve signed or the ones currently in the squad—like Koopmeiners, Douglas Luiz, Vlahovic, and many others—are all talented players. They were all considered stars at their previous clubs. But in my opinion, it’s the weakness of the coach and the overall poor environment at Juve that’s holding them back. Maybe if Conte hadn’t come back then at 2011, and if we had signed Vidal, Lichtsteiner, and the others under Delneri instead, they would’ve all flopped too.
That’s exactly my point now. The players we’ve signed or the ones currently in the squad—like Koopmeiners, Douglas Luiz, Vlahovic, and many others—are all talented players. They were all considered stars at their previous clubs. But in my opinion, it’s the weakness of the coach and the overall poor environment at Juve that’s holding them back. Maybe if Conte hadn’t come back then at 2011, and if we had signed Vidal, Lichtsteiner, and the others under Delneri instead, they would’ve all flopped too.
