Summer mercato thread 2022-23 season (75 Viewers)

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Knowah

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Mokku said:
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I guess so but when I see Ronaldo single-handedly rescuing United and nothing remotely like that from Pogba, it makes me think he could be very expensive and underwhelming. Ronaldo is done for this season because the rest of the team gave up, the Liverpool and Brighton matches are examples of the toxic mentality of the players that will lead to another manager and a hugely expensive transfer campaign.

When I watched the Coppa final after the subs were made, it was clear that there were no leaders left on the pitch. No heroic tackles, tracking back, blocks, hard running from those players and that is what we used to be known for: Juventus take the lead and are impossible to break down. That is a mentality that has disappeared. Inter were tapping on the doors and that was enough for us to let them win, I saw nothing remarkable from Inzaghi.

My belief is that he'll go to PSG because he'll feel that it's less challenging and will think of himself as a superstar entering a superstar team. Juve is what he needs to relaunch himself but PSG will take him.
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I will agree that once Chiellini leaves, our club seems to be completely leaderless. I had hopes for Bonucci and MDL but they don't appear to be leaders at the moment, maybe Bonucci to some degree.

That is a massive problem for us and I agree that Pogba clearly hasn't stepped up but I just don't think that's his persoanlity. He clearly is a follower to me. As long as you don't expect him to become to mature leader, I don't see it being a massive issue. His expense is also a concern of mine.

I also believe he'll go to PSG because he likes attention and PSG brings more attention to him. Also, their league is easier and I think he wants that. He wants the easy road and the easy path and it makes him lazy. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if his injury issues have partially been him not caring and possible "faking" or exaggerating them because ManU isn't competitive. Again, that just seems in line with his personality. However, if you get the right leaders around him and don't try to make him a leader, i think his issues can be mitigated.

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zizinho said:
Sergej has a contract until 2024 iirc
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Correct, meaning NEXT summer he is one year left on his deal and the follow January is open to sign on a free. Lazio cannot afford for this to occur.
 
Mike-e-y

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Knowah said:
While I agree with the wages and mentality that comes from ManU, for most players that would be a concern but Pogba has been here before. He may have bad habits to break but I think having leaders around the club can help remove some of that as well as the English media and EPL frenzy isn't here.

Also, to say he didn't show much on the pitch is kind of revisionist in my opinion. Sure, he certainly wasn't the worldbeater ManU imagined (their entire squad and org has been chaotic since his arrival) and he has certainly had his injury issues. But his 17/18 - 18/19 period was very good in terms of contributions (16 goals, 11 assists in 18/19, those are Dybala numbers). Even this year, yes his goals are WAY down (only 1) but he's contributed 9 assists in 27 appearances. He is not completely unplayable.

And with all things ManU, I do have to question how much of his issues come from that org. I mean, he played for probably the worst manager a big club has signed worldwide under Ole and then had three months of Carrick. Ole was and is a complete joke of a manager. And his arrival at Manchester United matches perfectly with a deterioration in Pogba's play. The second half of 18/19 is right when Pogba started having his issues both in matches as well as physically.

If the wages are right and not insane, I think he's a good free agent pick up. He's probably NOT worldclass midfielder but he's not midtable either. Wages and injuries will how such a signing gets judged. He's also 30 next March so he's not very old. He hasn't had anywhere near the injury issues Ramsey had when we signed Ramsey.
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Although that looks ok on paper 4 of those assists were in the first game of the PL season, he’s literally done nothing since then and spends a lot of time on the treatment table.

At the age he is and looking at the trajectory of his career it’s clear he peaked early. The last thing we need is another player on the decline with physical issues. I really fear a Pogba signing is going to end up like the Ramsey signing. We really need to look elsewhere and pick up players like Gravenberch/Tchoumeni if we can’t get SMS. Would also take Luis Alberto over the current iteration of Pogba. Pogba is just too risky considering all the areas we need to improve
 
Mr Chocolate

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Snobist said:
Next year what do we do? Fuck di maria and short time fixes.
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it gives us a chance to concentrate on more pressing issues, short term Di Maria for next season, our front 3 will be Maria, Vla and Chiesa, thats a strong front 3, get pogba/sms to partner loca and maybe zak, in a 4-3-3, then pick up a fullback and cb hopefully

Dybala is goneskies, probs Bernagoat too
 
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