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Osman

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SMS and Pogba are both probably more attacking minded than Aouar lol

They are capable attacking mids. But they are like 5 times more physical, have insane dynamic presence and two way ability that blows Aouar out of the water. Its a reason why they are seen as the prototypical complete midfielders, they can do it all because they have physical dynamic ability to bully people on top of the skills. This is the perfect qualities to have for a box to box mid (it would be ideal if they had ballwinning skills like a Vidal, but lets not be greedy).

Aouar is a creative and technical CM, but his defensive potential or physical presence is minor, he is there to connect things together with skill, movement and excellent passing. He has played in tactically demanding 2 man midfield fine with Lyon next to Ndombele before, tho he best functions in 3 man midfield with freedom to roam and attack. But he's not your ideal box to box mid because he doesnt have the physical presence and complete aroundness of said duo. But its really not necessary aslong as someone else offers that in the midfield. City, Barca and Real madrid have had the best mids because they have silky smooth more softish creative AM/CM players like Aouar. More then one way to skin a cat lol. But yeah its important to distinguish your ideal box to box mids to your creative more skill reliant CMs.
 

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Orgut

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Dec 31, 2002
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We need a top midfielder!
Aouar is good with potential but still not that top mid we need.
Pogba is the ultimate signing but SMS is also in there.
Problem - Covid might mean we cant get them..
We also need a top winger unless we count on Kulu to explode...

Right now it seems like our plan is Arthur or Aouar while other insignificant purchases follow...
If this scenario indeed happens we should expect another CL failure while I assume we win the Scudetto..
 

Pegi

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Feb 22, 2019
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If Barcelona would be stupid enough to give Arthur + Semedo from Pjanic, l'd be surprised but let's act like it happens. Then getting Auoar would mean offloading somebody to there + cash, so Matuidi back to France would sound like a logical move. DC + Rugani for Ndombele since Mourinho ain't fan of his training motivation, as he has been on the bench or played just shitty minutes lately, so it might be another Mourinho vs Pogba type of fight, and so he could be available, as he was signed by Pochettino. i'd take Ndombele in here in a heartbeat, but it would only happen in a dream scenario. We would be most likely one striker or winger short, but can't ask too much(as it is most likely too much already) so we would look like this:

CR - Dybala - Kulusevski


Auoar - Arthur - Bentancur



AS - Bonucci - De Ligt - Semedo


Woj


Mostly the names been thrown around for a while, so atleast some background for the rumours instead of just picking all the impossible players.


I'd be pretty excited about this for next season, i know it won't happen but you only could dream.
 

Bianconero81

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Jan 26, 2009
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They are capable attacking mids. But they are like 5 times more physical, have insane dynamic presence and two way ability that blows Aouar out of the water. Its a reason why they are seen as the prototypical complete midfielders, they can do it all because they have physical dynamic ability to bully people on top of the skills. This is the perfect qualities to have for a box to box mid (it would be ideal if they had ballwinning skills like a Vidal, but lets not be greedy).

Aouar is a creative and technical CM, but his defensive potential or physical presence is minor, he is there to connect things together with skill, movement and excellent passing. He has played in tactically demanding 2 man midfield fine with Lyon next to Ndombele before, tho he best functions in 3 man midfield with freedom to roam and attack. But he's not your ideal box to box mid because he doesnt have the physical presence and complete aroundness of said duo. But its really not necessary aslong as someone else offers that in the midfield. City, Barca and Real madrid have had the best mids because they have silky smooth more softish creative AM/CM players like Aouar. More then one way to skin a cat lol. But yeah its important to distinguish your ideal box to box mids to your creative more skill reliant CMs.
Would you still take a chance on Ndombele if the price is right? Loan + obligation for 40 if certain conditions are met and a minimum number of games played.
 

Robee

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Jun 21, 2011
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Bentancur is a ball winner.

Aouar is a box-to-box midfielder.

SMS and Pogba are both probably more attacking minded than Aouar lol
Aouar is an attacking midfielder, maybe in disguise if you'd like. But he's not "exactly what we need". Pogba and SMS are much more physically imposing and ball-winning midfielders than Aouar is, lol.
 

Bianconero81

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Jan 26, 2009
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We need a top midfielder!
Aouar is good with potential but still not that top mid we need.
Pogba is the ultimate signing but SMS is also in there.
Problem - Covid might mean we cant get them..
We also need a top winger unless we count on Kulu to explode...

Right now it seems like our plan is Arthur or Aouar while other insignificant purchases follow...
If this scenario indeed happens we should expect another CL failure while I assume we win the Scudetto..
I don't think so. Without significant improvements in midfield, too much deadweight, and and ageing squad, I think we won't win the title next season.
 

pavluska

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Apr 25, 2013
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No it's not. We lack a good ball winner as well. So instead of buying 3 attacking midfielders we need at least 1 starting box-to-box. Milinkov-Savic or Pogba is exactly what we need.
Ndidi and Aouar

Ndidi-Ben10-Aouar would be perfect ball winning B2B, regista, mezzala combo.

Sadly we prolly don't have cash for both.
 

Orgut

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Dec 31, 2002
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I don't think so. Without significant improvements in midfield, too much deadweight, and and ageing squad, I think we won't win the title next season.
The thing is - Quality wise we are much better than results suggest, the problem is we are playing so much under par even with this current team...
If we lose the Scudetto and it will happen if we dont improve.. I expect us to go next year hungrier to get it back and this is why I said a summer of Aouar/Arthur with additional players (even if its Milik) should be enough to keep us above our competitors in Serie A...
The gap is huge and if we lose the Scudetto (Sarri or no Sarri) its all on us!

We just need to get a better use to our current team and then improve on it in the summer (considering we keep Sarri)..
Should we fire Sarri it is a whole different story as we can get a coach who can do much better but we can also get a coach who will be just as bad..

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Just shows you how important context is. I can work for 14 hours a day and still be less productive or impactful than someone who does 8.
Well I know people call Pjanic soft or not playing well but I dont think anyone complained that he isnt running enough.. This wasnt the issue against him..

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Ndidi and Aouar

Ndidi-Ben10-Aouar would be perfect ball winning B2B, regista, mezzala combo.

Sadly we prolly don't have cash for both.
Actually Pogba Bentancur Kante would be much better but I guess you wanted a more realistic targets.. (I addressed quality and not specific roles)
 

Bianconero81

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Jan 26, 2009
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The thing is - Quality wise we are much better than results suggest, the problem is we are playing so much under par even with this current team...
If we lose the Scudetto and it will happen if we dont improve.. I expect us to go next year hungrier to get it back and this is why I said a summer of Aouar/Arthur with additional players (even if its Milik) should be enough to keep us above our competitors in Serie A...
The gap is huge and if we lose the Scudetto (Sarri or no Sarri) its all on us!

We just need to get a better use to our current team and then improve on it in the summer (considering we keep Sarri)..
Should we fire Sarri it is a whole different story as we can get a coach who can do much better but we can also get a coach who will be just as bad..
I don't really rate Arthur, and if he's our main midfield recruit, that would be beyond disappointing. Milik is a disaster waiting to happen. Also, if we still have the Chain Smoking Cancer as coach, we're fucked. Don't forget other teams aren't just going to sit there and watch us get better - they're closing the gap every year we fuck up on the transfer market. An ageing imbalanced squad is not a recipe for success.
 

pavluska

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Apr 25, 2013
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The thing is - Quality wise we are much better than results suggest, the problem is we are playing so much under par even with this current team...
If we lose the Scudetto and it will happen if we dont improve.. I expect us to go next year hungrier to get it back and this is why I said a summer of Aouar/Arthur with additional players (even if its Milik) should be enough to keep us above our competitors in Serie A...
The gap is huge and if we lose the Scudetto (Sarri or no Sarri) its all on us!

We just need to get a better use to our current team and then improve on it in the summer (considering we keep Sarri)..
Should we fire Sarri it is a whole different story as we can get a coach who can do much better but we can also get a coach who will be just as bad..

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Well I know people call Pjanic soft or not playing well but I dont think anyone complained that he isnt running enough.. This wasnt the issue against him..

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Actually Pogba Bentancur Kante would be much better but I guess you wanted a more realistic targets.. (I addressed quality and not specific roles)
Kante is also getting old and would cost a lot in terms of both transfer fee and salary.

Not a good idea esp with an aging squad on high salary.

He also hasn't been as motivated post WC.
 

Orgut

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Dec 31, 2002
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I don't really rate Arthur, and if he's our main midfield recruit, that would be beyond disappointing. Milik is a disaster waiting to happen. Also, if we still have the Chain Smoking Cancer as coach, we're fucked. Don't forget other teams aren't just going to sit there and watch us get better - they're closing the gap every year we fuck up on the transfer market. An ageing imbalanced squad is not a recipe for success.
I dont think anyone is closing the gap and the fact Lazio is above Inter proves it - Inter has much better resources than Lazio and I dont think Lazio did miracles on their last market but rather used their team much better...

Gap wise - We havent changed much in the last summer apart for our defense who is difficult to compare to the season before since Chiellini got injured..
Midfield - We can improve a lot but apart for Lazio I dont think others have better midfielders - It is just our best midfielder seems lost in this new style Juve and it is also probably of him wanting a transfer...

As for Arthur - He can be brilliant at times + he has some very good passing skills and is young and didnt set himself as the top midfielder yet. Should we get him and make him stay out of getting injured I think we could get a player that in 2 years could be WC while his current level not bad either.
It is true that if we get Arthur we dont get a Pogba or SMS and obviously I would rather us get the top guns but if its impossible I would gladly welcome Arthur (same goes for Aouar)
 
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I don't really rate Arthur, and if he's our main midfield recruit, that would be beyond disappointing. Milik is a disaster waiting to happen. Also, if we still have the Chain Smoking Cancer as coach, we're fucked. Don't forget other teams aren't just going to sit there and watch us get better - they're closing the gap every year we fuck up on the transfer market. An ageing imbalanced squad is not a recipe for success.
Pjanic/Arthur is to balance the books for both Juventus and Barcelona. It’s like Pellegrini and Spina last year. If we succeed to put this of, it would be great imo. Good business on both deals.

But you’re right, if it’s just Arthur it would be a disappointment.
 

Orgut

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Dec 31, 2002
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Kante is also getting old and would cost a lot in terms of both transfer fee and salary.

Not a good idea esp with an aging squad on high salary.

He also hasn't been as motivated post WC.
Different team -> new motivation
Yeah - I wasnt suggesting we should buy these two (although I`d like it). I was just stating these 3 beat the other 3 mentioned..
 

Bianconero81

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Jan 26, 2009
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I dont think anyone is closing the gap and the fact Lazio is above Inter proves it - Inter has much better resources than Lazio and I dont think Lazio did miracles on their last market but rather used their team much better...

Gap wise - We havent changed much in the last summer apart for our defense who is difficult to compare to the season before since Chiellini got injured..
Midfield - We can improve a lot but apart for Lazio I dont think others have better midfielders - It is just our best midfielder seems lost in this new style Juve and it is also probably of him wanting a transfer...

As for Arthur - He can be brilliant at times + he has some very good passing skills and is young and didnt set himself as the top midfielder yet. Should we get him and make him stay out of getting injured I think we could get a player that in 2 years could be WC while his current level not bad either.
It is true that if we get Arthur we dont get a Pogba or SMS and obviously I would rather us get the top guns but if its impossible I would gladly welcome Arthur (same goes for Aouar)
I disagree. Our midfield is shit compared to other teams. Napoli, in addition to Lazio, easily have superior midfields - I'd argue Inter probably do too.

Also, I am not against Arthur coming in as a complement to someone else, someone who isn't a mental midget, injury prone, and actually wants to be here. Arthur has the potential to be WC, but he's equally likely to be a flop.
 

DAiDEViL

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Feb 21, 2015
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I disagree. Our midfield is shit compared to other teams. Napoli, in addition to Lazio, easily have superior midfields - I'd argue Inter probably do too.

Also, I am not against Arthur coming in as a complement to someone else, someone who isn't a mental midget, injury prone, and actually wants to be here. Arthur has the potential to be WC, but he's equally likely to be a flop.
Yeah, I too would easily take Napoli's mid over ours.
 

Orgut

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Dec 31, 2002
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I disagree. Our midfield is shit compared to other teams. Napoli, in addition to Lazio, easily have superior midfields - I'd argue Inter probably do too.

Also, I am not against Arthur coming in as a complement to someone else, someone who isn't a mental midget, injury prone, and actually wants to be here. Arthur has the potential to be WC, but he's equally likely to be a flop.
Our mid is crap compared to the big guns but Inter definitely dont have a better mid yet it looks like they do.. This shows how much the system counts..
Lazio are the only ones with better midfielders as 2 of their midfielders could play at any other team.
 
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