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Collaguazo

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Mar 4, 2012
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thank you for that explanation.
on another topic, what exactly is that hype about mbappe based on ?

i mean one extraordinary season is little to get super excited about.
oliver bierhoff also had one extraordinary season. that does not make him a great player.

i somehow did not find any other statistics from the youth teams he played two years ago and the season before the last the one was not really exciting in terms of the goal to match ratio he had did not really suggest that he is the next best thing since sliced bread.


especially his heavy reliance on his speed and pace makes me think that his carreer could very well take a nose-dive if he suffers some knee injury and then all his "tricks" don't work anymore because he is (afaik from seeing him in the champions league) all about that pace.

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Papi-a

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May 9, 2006
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For sure he is a little hyped, but you cant deny that kid is the real deal!

In My opinion he is the mist talented player since Messi. Another type of player ofcourse.

Speed, technique, coolnes, phisique, and a nose for goal. What more do you want for a 18 year old? No matter What Price he Will be sold for its worth the money.

In 3 years he Will be worth the dubble!
 
Jul 13, 2010
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thank you for that explanation.
on another topic, what exactly is that hype about mbappe based on ?

i mean one extraordinary season is little to get super excited about.
oliver bierhoff also had one extraordinary season. that does not make him a great player.

i somehow did not find any other statistics from the youth teams he played two years ago and the season before the last the one was not really exciting in terms of the goal to match ratio he had did not really suggest that he is the next best thing since sliced bread.


especially his heavy reliance on his speed and pace makes me think that his carreer could very well take a nose-dive if he suffers some knee injury and then all his "tricks" don't work anymore because he is (afaik from seeing him in the champions league) all about that pace.
this is the best comment this summer so far
 

Orgut

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Dec 31, 2002
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Yeah its true for like half the league right now it seems.

When it comes to china based players, only Alex Teixeira interests me for Juve.





Would be a nice reunion with Douglas Costa.
1. He is definitely a great player but he is playing in a league that makes him look like an adult playing with children...
2. He is a money hoe - There is no other reason to play in China...
3. His position is Dybala`s isnt it?
4. At times he is too much of a lolzillian..

Given all that Id take him for the right price (could be a good sub for Dybala)
 

Orgut

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Dec 31, 2002
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If we get Spinazzola, the 6\10 of our current Mercato, will further downgrade to 5\10.
If we sell Dybala a 3\10. Replace him with Keita a 4\10.
Why do you underrate Spinazzola that much - Yeah he is not A.Sandro as his agent suggested but he is quite good actually..
Selling Dybala wouldnt be the end of the world as he isnt that crucial for us..
Replacing him with Keita is indeed a bad idea as Keita is definitely no Dybala
 

rakib567

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Apr 27, 2013
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Why do you underrate Spinazzola that much - Yeah he is not A.Sandro as his agent suggested but he is quite good actually..
Selling Dybala wouldnt be the end of the world as he isnt that crucial for us..
Replacing him with Keita is indeed a bad idea as Keita is definitely no Dybala
U rate spinazzola because of a statement from HIS agent

Dybala is not important to us?
 

v1rtu4l

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Mar 4, 2008
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For sure he is a little hyped, but you cant deny that kid is the real deal!
yes, i can deny that. how the f*ck can you even consider making such a statement with just one season of "semi-pro" football under his belly?
it is the french league after all and he had the benefit of nobody really taking him serious in the first season. i mean even we underestimated him and let him fricking get the ball in our 5 yard box. would you let messi get the ball there ? probably not, but our defenders were lazy enough to let him roam freely.


there are so many young players that have good first pro seasons and then they get figured out by the opponents and do not benefit from being the unknown/underdog that is not watched careful enough and they fail to do much more.
His stats are ok but they are nowhere near messi or ronaldo. i do not expect him to put up similar numbers but to even think about calling him the real deal i would need more statistics from his last 3 years. i would expect him to beast the youth teams if he was "the real deal" and by that i mean more than only 0.5 goals per game on youth matches.
 
Apr 29, 2006
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Mbappe doesn't rely only on speed. Change of direction and control at speed are much more important. Yes he is fast, but Valencia is probably faster...

When you take a look at his game you can see why people think of R9. Same basic posture, same skills - just needs to improve on his left foot a lot to reach the divine one. Technique will improve with time and if he keeps up even 90 or 80% of his current speed - he will be a monster.

I love Dybala, and would love to see them both play the same way MSN does in Barca. But if we had a chance of getting Mbappe, just because a move to Barca would never let him join Madrid, I'd do it.

The speed and size of Mbappe-Higuain-Costa/Berna .... pffffff Milan for scudetto ??? :lol:
 

NitK

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Jul 22, 2008
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@Mark

Patrik Schick will take new medical tests on Monday, with Juventus reportedly considering a new offer for the Sampdoria striker.The Czech international was all set to join the Old Lady for €30m earlier this summer, but his medical flagged-up a heart issue.

That caused the transfer to collapse, and the 21-year-old was given a further month off to ensure his recovery.

Schick returned for pre-season yesterday, following his own personalised training programme, and Tuttosport believes he’ll be subjected to medical tests in Rome on Monday.

According to the newspaper, the Bianconeri are still interested in signing him, and could offer a loan with option to buy, in order to evaluate him over the course of the season.

That option could become an obligation if certain targets are met.

However, Samp are keen to tie Schick to a new contract, while Inter are also interested in his signature.
 

Orgut

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Dec 31, 2002
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U rate spinazzola because of a statement from HIS agent

Dybala is not important to us?
If that is the case I should rate all the players in the world as their agents hail lots of players...
I rate Spinazzola because he is a good player not because of anything.. His agent said he is on A.Sandro`s level which is a complete joke but he is a good player though...
He is very good attacking wise while the question remains on his defensive abilities..
Can he play on the right side?

Dybala is important but not irreplaceable... Dybala drops back to receive the ball and connects the play from our mid to attack - If we sell him we need to - a. make someone drop deeper to receive the ball/change a bit the way we play b. get someone who can do what Dybala does in terms of tactics...

In terms of his dribbling assisting and finishing - Dybala would do twice as good or even 3 times as good in an attacking team while we can have the same amount of quality in other players who are less talented than Dybala
The fact is he is a great player who is very overrated to our style and is very underrated to Barca and Real`s style

Dybala here is a 11G 7A kind of player while at Barca he can easily get 22G 14A and even way more... He can be their heir to Messi (even if he isnt as good as him) and thats why Barca should bid even 200M for him if that is what it takes..
For us he should be worth around the 90M as he is important but replaceable..

If Barca bid more than 150M I wouldnt mind selling him if we get a proper replacement
 

Juve Fanatico

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Aug 20, 2010
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Juventus consider new Schick bid
By Football Italia staff



Patrik Schick will take new medical tests on Monday, with Juventus reportedly considering a new offer for the Sampdoria striker.

The Czech international was all set to join the Old Lady for €30m earlier this summer, but his medical flagged-up a heart issue.

That caused the transfer to collapse, and the 21-year-old was given a further month off to ensure his recovery.

Schick returned for pre-season yesterday, following his own personalised training programme, and Tuttosport believes he’ll be subjected to medical tests in Rome on Monday.

According to the newspaper, the Bianconeri are still interested in signing him, and could offer a loan with option to buy, in order to evaluate him over the course of the season.

That option could become an obligation if certain targets are met.

However, Samp are keen to tie Schick to a new contract, while Inter are also interested in his signature.
Re-open thread? @Mark
 

Adrian

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Jan 31, 2003
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If that is the case I should rate all the players in the world as their agents hail lots of players...
I rate Spinazzola because he is a good player not because of anything.. His agent said he is on A.Sandro`s level which is a complete joke but he is a good player though...
He is very good attacking wise while the question remains on his defensive abilities..
Can he play on the right side?

Dybala is important but not irreplaceable... Dybala drops back to receive the ball and connects the play from our mid to attack - If we sell him we need to - a. make someone drop deeper to receive the ball/change a bit the way we play b. get someone who can do what Dybala does in terms of tactics...

In terms of his dribbling assisting and finishing - Dybala would do twice as good or even 3 times as good in an attacking team while we can have the same amount of quality in other players who are less talented than Dybala
The fact is he is a great player who is very overrated to our style and is very underrated to Barca and Real`s style

Dybala here is a 11G 7A kind of player while at Barca he can easily get 22G 14A and even way more... He can be their heir to Messi (even if he isnt as good as him) and thats why Barca should bid even 200M for him if that is what it takes..
For us he should be worth around the 90M as he is important but replaceable..

If Barca bid more than 150M I wouldnt mind selling him if we get a proper replacement
I dont think we get the best out of dybala in the role he plays for us. I akso dont think he is a natural replacement for neymer at barca either.

If dybala leaves i would rather see us play berna and costa off higuain and play 3 in midfield.
 

rakib567

Senior Member
Apr 27, 2013
10,093
If that is the case I should rate all the players in the world as their agents hail lots of players...
I rate Spinazzola because he is a good player not because of anything.. His agent said he is on A.Sandro`s level which is a complete joke but he is a good player though...
He is very good attacking wise while the question remains on his defensive abilities..
Can he play on the right side?

Dybala is important but not irreplaceable... Dybala drops back to receive the ball and connects the play from our mid to attack - If we sell him we need to - a. make someone drop deeper to receive the ball/change a bit the way we play b. get someone who can do what Dybala does in terms of tactics...

In terms of his dribbling assisting and finishing - Dybala would do twice as good or even 3 times as good in an attacking team while we can have the same amount of quality in other players who are less talented than Dybala
The fact is he is a great player who is very overrated to our style and is very underrated to Barca and Real`s style

Dybala here is a 11G 7A kind of player while at Barca he can easily get 22G 14A and even way more... He can be their heir to Messi (even if he isnt as good as him) and thats why Barca should bid even 200M for him if that is what it takes..
For us he should be worth around the 90M as he is important but replaceable..

If Barca bid more than 150M I wouldnt mind selling him if we get a proper replacement
When dybala was injured we looked like a bunch of montalivos playing together. Dybala is one of our fundamental pieces. There are no replacements for him
 

Luftwaffles

Il terzo uomo
Dec 1, 2005
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@Mark

Patrik Schick will take new medical tests on Monday, with Juventus reportedly considering a new offer for the Sampdoria striker.The Czech international was all set to join the Old Lady for €30m earlier this summer, but his medical flagged-up a heart issue.

That caused the transfer to collapse, and the 21-year-old was given a further month off to ensure his recovery.

Schick returned for pre-season yesterday, following his own personalised training programme, and Tuttosport believes he’ll be subjected to medical tests in Rome on Monday.

According to the newspaper, the Bianconeri are still interested in signing him, and could offer a loan with option to buy, in order to evaluate him over the course of the season.

That option could become an obligation if certain targets are met.

However, Samp are keen to tie Schick to a new contract, while Inter are also interested in his signature.
Presumably it is Sampdoria who have commissioned the new medical tests in Rome in 4 days time.

If the outcome is a positive one, I doubt very much that Juventus would get a sympathetic hearing if we reignited our interest with a fresh bid, be it a loan or a full purchase proposition.
 

Orgut

Senior Member
Dec 31, 2002
19,495
When dybala was injured we looked like a bunch of montalivos playing together. Dybala is one of our fundamental pieces. There are no replacements for him
Read again what I said - Dybala is an important part as our play depends on him dropping back - Should someone else do it/get a replacement to do it we will be fine
There are some options with Dybala leaving
1. Change of formation
2. Getting a direct sub
3. Keeping the formation but alternate players roles a bit
4. There are other options but these 3 are from the top of my head

P.S If after selling Zidane who was a way more important player for us we became better we can definitely do so with Dybala who isnt giving us 10th of what Zidane gave us!

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Sometimes I wonder if those journalists are reading my posts. They say we might target Di Maria once/if we sell Dybala.
Di Maria is great but he isnt a direct sub therefore we would need to alternate a bit
 
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