Summer mercato thread 2017-18 (44 Viewers)

[zizinho]

You cannot be serious to compare the donkey Rincon, who has failed miserable at Hamburg, with Rudy, who just had an excellent season for Hoffenheim and he made them tick in midfield..an outstanding season. Cant believe how underrated he is in most forums.

both are good squad players. Rincon made Genoa tick if you want to know btw fell down to relegation battlers as soon as he was sold to us, their president even saying selling him was a big mistake. hes come a long way since his HSV days. but who of them is better is not even what im getting at, the point is that even the top clubs have/had a fair share of their own "Rincons"

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Only peasants make up facts to prove a point.

When did he dominate barca? Sevilla got hammered in every encounter with Barca this season.


Spanish Super cup vs Barca : they lost 2-0 and his WS rating was 6.2
La Liga vs Barca : 1-2 and his WS rating was 6.2
La Liga vs barca: 0-3 and his WS rating was 6.6

One good game against Juve and hammered in the second
One good game against ATM and hammered in the second
Same against Lester and against Madrid. Unless you consider losing 2-0, 3-1 and 4-1 games in which he dominated the midfield. And iirc his good game against us was facing up against the great Lemina, Asamoah and khedira midfield and got rightly spanked when we fielded our starters.


So dominating Barca's midfield is just a flat out lie. And the rest are half truths. Oh and I am not denying that he might have had a very good season. But to say that he is an elite player and that anyone who doesnt see him as elite is clueless is just

what is a WS rating?

 

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[DAiDEViL]

Whoscored

 

[il brutto]

what is a WS rating?

Weissman score

 

[DAiDEViL]

both are good squad players. Rincon made Genoa tick if you want to know btw fell down to relegation battlers as soon as he was sold to us, their president even saying selling him was a big mistake. hes come a long way since his HSV days. but who of them is better is not even what im getting at, the point is that even the top clubs have/had a fair share of their own "Rincons"

Rudy

Such quality player. He'll join Sebastian Rode soon.

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This move only makes sense for Bayern, but not for the player, just like with Gnabry.

 

[zizinho]

Whoscored

lol for real? gtfo @Hist

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Weissman score

even that would make more sense that whoscored

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Rudy

Such quality player. He'll join Sebastian Rode soon.

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This move only makes sense for Bayern, but not for the player, just like with Gnabry.

is Rode better than Rico? i wonder

 

[DAiDEViL]

is Rode better than Rico? i wonder

Of course, a few years ago he made Frankfurts midfield tick.

 

[zizinho]

Of course, a few years ago he made Frankfurts midfield tick.

damn, wish we had someone like him on the bench

 

[Dujj]

Varratti and barca is almost done.

For Sport, and Mundo deportivo, yes. Like last year, when marquinhos was done deal (no one remember that fabulous SPORT front page "FULL AGREEMENT, 5 YEARS DONE DEAL" with a megaphone, and pictures of the slowpokes that work at their board ), and the previous one, when TS and Marquinhos were done deal too.

If you listen to the french press who talked directly to PSG, there will be no agreement, especially not with Barca that everyone and their dogs at PSG hate.

Lets see what will happen, but imho, you have more chances to see Verratti landing in Juve or Madrid next year than at Barca this summer if he doesn't renew with PSG. Antero Henrique met Verratti last week and told him a big Fuck You.

People tend to forget (dunno why) that PSG never allowed any main players to leave even when they tried to force it (Cavani in 2015, marquinhos in 2016).

And just to be clear, I pprefer Barcelona, rather than Madrid, but you guys have apparently no idea how PSG does work, and what horrible relationship they have with Barca who tries every summer to steal their players.

PSG only allows Barca to buy their trash players like Digne (and at an overpriced price).

 

[Osman]

Samp sure do a great job, but imo they sell their top players pretty cheap, even Schick for €25-30m isn't THAT much for a talent like him in todays market. €14m for Soriano isn't much either.

Indeed, they sell for modest figures not big . Gabbiadini, Eder, Soriano, Correa and so on, all players that were in spotlight and could gone for more then the mid level sum they went for, or less .


I mean not a single sale that's close to 20m isn't impressive even if they haven't had much major potential names. I mean it says it all that even young top striker talent like Icardi went for just 13m.

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[Sashazulu]

Back after a long time. We need more players, cause we were death in the 2 half against Madrid.
I see all these name of players thrown in this forum, but what a team need first is balance!!!
I think so far we are doing a great job specially for a 1-4-2-3-1. I loved Tolisso but he does not fit in the system.
Nzonzi is for me the ideal player next to Pjanic. Pjanic the creator , Nzonzi the rock, if you have seen him in la Liga he a great recuperates a number of balls
I love Fabinho but is not a recuperator. What would Madrid be without Casemiro ? much less !! 2 years ago would any of you have wanted him?/ Think good about if.
Douglas Costa may surprise you if he comes, he is better than many of you think. Oh yes Ancelotti, great coach but not perfect. Isn't he the one who played Henry left back.
What do we need : We have Schick , great buy, most off you agree. Do we need Sanchez for me NO to expensive and high salary. James 80 mill.
Think we have Mandzu hard working player all over the pitch. we have Dybala for me the best Juve player and great talent. Yes he scores less but is all over the pitch, without him we loose 50 % of our strenght, look at the CL final. We have Pjaca also talented, but unlucky. Douglas Costa is coming from what I hear and I would love Bernardeschi.We have Higuain great scorer. the 2-3-1 is set. I would have love in the 4 : Conti but not coming. Allegri loves De Siglio maybe coming maybe not. And Friends have you see Orsolini I would keep him and Mandragora with us.
That is my take on this mercato

 

[Osman]

It is a huge attraction factor however. Join a team that wont be a bitch when they sell you on.


Imagine going to Palermo and have zampi the insane fuck as a director. i'd rather go to Tanger

Palermo are mismanaged mess but they done well with scouting big South American talents and capitalizing on them. Sabatini work with them mostly but still held out for the 30-40m they got for Cavani, Pastore and Dybala.




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[Osman]

For Sport, and Mundo deportivo, yes. Like last year, when marquinhos was done deal (no one remember that fabulous SPORT front page "FULL AGREEMENT, 5 YEARS DONE DEAL" with a megaphone, and pictures of the slowpokes that work at their board ), and the previous one, when TS and Marquinhos were done deal too.

If you listen to the french press who talked directly to PSG, there will be no agreement, especially not with Barca that everyone and their dogs at PSG hate.

Lets see what will happen, but imho, you have more chances to see Verratti landing in Juve or Madrid next year than at Barca this summer if he doesn't renew with PSG. Antero Henrique met Verratti last week and told him a big Fuck You.

People tend to forget (dunno why) that PSG never allowed any main players to leave even when they tried to force it (Cavani in 2015, marquinhos in 2016).

And just to be clear, I pprefer Barcelona, rather than Madrid, but you guys have apparently no idea how PSG does work, and what horrible relationship they have with Barca who tries every summer to steal their players.

PSG only allows Barca to buy their trash players like Digne (and at an overpriced price).

Indeed, it's been different summers of Thiago Silva, Marquinhos and now Verratti trying to be poached by them.

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[Zacheryah]

Palermo are mismanaged mess but they done well with scouting big South American talents and capitalizing on them. Sabatini work with them mostly but still held out for the 30-40m they got for Cavani, Pastore and Dybala.




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You know what i'm trying to say

 

[Osman]

You know what i'm trying to say

Yeah I know, Samp are smarter. But there is a middle ground, Samp should sell better, 13m for Icardi is inexcusable. And also Samp been bigger solid mid table club for longer then Southern small time chaotic upstarts like Palermo. Big city but most of the time they just lucky to up there.

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[Dujj]

Indeed, it's been different summers of Thiago Silva, Marquinhos and now Verratti trying to be poached by them.

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And on top of that, Clubs in France are widely protected by their LFP, and by the french laws in regards to how contracts are made. Sure french Clubs pay a tons of taxes compared to Spain, and others, but there's no release clauses, and no way for a player to force anything. The sol thing a player can do is pout, which can work with little clubs, but not with a club like PSG that has a flat transfer budget of 220m this summer.

And SPORT and MD did the same last year, reported a thousand times that Marquinhos will boycott. But PSG didn't care, at worst they would have kept Luiz, and sent marquinhos in their B League team till he stops doing craps.

Now with Madrid, and even with Juve (and no, even after what happened with Coman, Juve is not blacklisted like Barca at PSG. PSG didn't try to screw Juve up with Matuidi last summer. They just didn't find any replacement in the time they had.) it's different.

But people give up so easily here without even digging the news a bit. As I said, you have more chances to see Verratti here in Juve than in Barcelona.

Now if I'm wrong, I'll be seen as an idiot, and I'll accept it, but every years it's the same between Barca, and PSG. PSG didn't win the CL, but leads at least 4-0 (5-0 if you think about the Digne deal) against Barca in the mercato game.

 

[Collaguazo]

We will keep facing these same high caliber teams in CL and its not bad luck both finals with ease, just not good enough, soundly dispatched with twice. So we need to actively improve our quality to match or keep up with them improving, and yeah that requires higher grade players. It's not a good enough consolation to be the best of the rest, we need to do everything possible to take that extra step to become dog winners.


No excuses imo. Not bashing, but just reality check, we done wonderful job up til now, but it's not enough and we need to get there with more game changing quality, better weapons in our overall squad Arsenal.

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IMO the issue we have with CL finals goes deeper than the quality of our squad. 97,98 we had easily the strongest team. You could argue that in 2015 we had an inferior squad but this year it was all an issue of mentality and confidence.

In a QF or SF, where the team doesn't suffer from this mental collapse, no way we'd get hammered by Madrid like in the final.

We have a solid team right now, add a good DM and a true left winger and we are set. But we need to work harder on being a ruthless, confident team destroying minnows left and right, and fighting to our last breath if we make it to the CL final again.

 

[Gep]

I'm guessing it's not Iniesta day again.

 

[Nostradamus]

both are good squad players. Rincon made Genoa tick if you want to know btw fell down to relegation battlers as soon as he was sold to us, their president even saying selling him was a big mistake. hes come a long way since his HSV days. but who of them is better is not even what im getting at, the point is that even the top clubs have/had a fair share of their

Fair play..what I m trying to say is, that Rudy has proven this season, that he is a fine footballer, who is able to structure a game with a nice passing range and he is pretty complete and versatile..he is smart and rarely losing the ball and he plays calmed not afraid making a riskier pass. Nagelsmann made him his focal point and he has flourished within that role. Kind of like Schweinsteiger, when van Gaal put him in CM. The prototype of a valuable squad player. Rincon is maybe useful too, but compared to Rincon, Rudy has just been in a different class this season.

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[Valerio.]

Since we're going for 4-2-3-1 this season.
After Douglas Costa we should go all in for Lemar.
Instead of Bernardeschi or Keità-

 

[Zacheryah]

Yeah I know, Samp are smarter. But there is a middle ground, Samp should sell better, 13m for Icardi is inexcusable. And also Samp been bigger solid mid table club for longer then Southern small time chaotic upstarts like Palermo. Big city but most of the time they just lucky to up there.

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Fair enough

I wanted to say "perhaps they miss the beppe". But he's not the greatest seller either