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Lion

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Jan 24, 2007
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Def wingers needed. Pacey ones too.

You can make a case that guys like Keita from lazio won't be as effective in league if teams just sit back. But we need players fo cl and not league

Look how much damage a guy like morata caused playing for us

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Stephan

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Thats why i would consider Mbappe. He can play wide and is very fast. And can be dangerous with his speed. I mean when u look at his numbers he had an amazing season for a debutant.


However this summer now the "rebuilding" will be much tougher, english sides will spend and are desperate for better CL (and they have 5 teams in it lol). Most of the star names are linked with them. Half of Monaco seems to be bought by every Top5 epl side.
 

Lion

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There is some nice talent in the league.

Bernadeschi and Keita would cost us around the same money as Mbappe combined

There is some good talent within the league we can use

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Stephan

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But Mbappe is already CL proven.

Keita and Berna arent. If we are srs about going for it, we dont have time to wait 2-3 years for keita and berna to develop into players who will decide games. Right now neither really is.
 

PhRoZeN

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Mar 29, 2006
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We need champions, winners or players with CL experience. 2 players will be enough from that category. Then the keita or bernadeschi, Schick types to build on current and future.

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Stephan

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I wouldnt be surprised if we might end up needing to replace Alves soon. Evra had a great first season as well (not quite Alves impact, but if Asamoah had played in 14/15 instead of Evra, i dont think we would have made that final), same age range (Alves turns 35 next May). Then the Bayern game happened and obv cost us. Alves isnt getting younger. We arent going to play CL final every year anyway. One year could be a huge difference, next season he might have injury problems related to his own longevity (played in average 49 games a season at Barcelona and rarely injured).

Obv Alves has had a bigger impact, which might mean we arent looking desperately for younger backups (i mean is De sciglio really going to bench him?).

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There is some nice talent in the league.

Bernadeschi and Keita would cost us around the same money as Mbappe combined

There is some good talent within the league we can use

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If we want to win the CL during next 2 years with the veterans we have, we dont really have time to nurture the talent. Keita and Shick together signed seems overkill if we still end up playing veterans like Mandzu, Higuain + Dybala who isnt veteran but is expected to start.

I mean i think yesterday we needed subs in midfield, the connection between the ball going from midfield to attack. We didnt have that. Pjanic did something first half, but faded away second, Khedira honestly was useless full game really. Of course someone like Morata could have been useful.

But say we had both Keita and Shick yesterday on bench, what kind of sub u make?
 

digitalbash

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Dec 19, 2013
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Not only do we need new wingers and a boss midfield, we need to send the entire team to the CIA to get MK Ultra'd so they have no mercy for any teams. I'm tired of losing and i'm fucking tired of winning 1-0, 2-0 and get fucking blown out by barcelona, bayern and real madrid because they don't give a fuck about respect. they'll go for you throat.
 

thirteen

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Feb 8, 2015
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We especially need more technical players up front. Sorry, love mandzu, but he's no winger, and screw Cuadrado. We saw how dangerous players like Isco was last night.
 

digitalbash

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We especially need more technical players up front. Sorry, love mandzu, but he's no winger, and screw Cuadrado. We saw how dangerous players like Isco was last night.
Isco was only dangerous because we allowed him to roam free. He was only allowed to roam free because the midfielders were in great position. Their midfielders were only in great position because our wingbacks had to defend their wingbacks, cms and also ronaldo and benzema. Tactically, Allegri played the conservative Italian game. I can't blame him either. We did NOT have the players to play 4-2-3-1... I'm going to assume IF cuadrado was actually playing well lately, he would of not been forced to play Barzagli.
 

thirteen

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Isco was only dangerous because we allowed him to roam free. He was only allowed to roam free because the midfielders were in great position. Their midfielders were only in great position because our wingbacks had to defend their wingbacks, cms and also ronaldo and benzema. Tactically, Allegri played the conservative Italian game. I can't blame him either. We did NOT have the players to play 4-2-3-1... I'm going to assume IF cuadrado was actually playing well lately, he would of not been forced to play Barzagli.
If we're going to continue to play 4231 next season, we need wingers. Not Keita Balde class wingers mind you. WC wingers. Play Alves at RB, sell licht and buy RB cover. Dont care if we concede more goals, want to see us score more.
 

Stephan

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We especially need more technical players up front. Sorry, love mandzu, but he's no winger, and screw Cuadrado. We saw how dangerous players like Isco was last night.
But u happy with Khedira performance and Pjanic second half performance? I would argue that at least one of them should have contributed into some sort of scoring moments creating/assisting.

I mean its easy to moan on Higuain but if he doesnt get service most game, he cant be useful anyway. Mandzu was putting pressure on Carvajal first half and actually Carvajal looked the weak link, most of our attacks came from left side, Carvajal didnt defend at all first half.

Thats why i also suspect Mandzu got 2 knocks/stamp on his ankle and he suffered from it but Allegri didnt even have anyone to bring on (wont bring Asamoah on there) and thats how it went, again showing our lack of good bench. Real squad/bench much better.

Morata could have been useful yesterday, he could have even been a linkup between midfield when u remember his Bayern performance where he counter attacked the ball from our box to their box and assist Cuadrado. Dybala failed to have that sort of similar impact. Like that Higuain goal against Monaco, Dybala backheel.
 

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Dec 17, 2007
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Ideally we go out and do something like

Verratti :80ml
Schick : 25ml
Spinazzola : return from loan
Conti: 25 ml

Switch to a 4 3 3 of sorts

Don't tell me we can't afford 150ml either

Out players like Rincon, Lemina, Asa, Licht.

It's the only way we will have a good chance of getting there again.

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thirteen

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Feb 8, 2015
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But u happy with Khedira performance and Pjanic second half performance? I would argue that at least one of them should have contributed into some sort of scoring moments creating/assisting.

I mean its easy to moan on Higuain but if he doesnt get service most game, he cant be useful anyway. Mandzu was putting pressure on Carvajal first half and actually Carvajal looked the weak link, most of our attacks came from left side, Carvajal didnt defend at all first half.

Thats why i also suspect Mandzu got 2 knocks/stamp on his ankle and he suffered from it but Allegri didnt even have anyone to bring on (wont bring Asamoah on there) and thats how it went, again showing our lack of good bench. Real squad/bench much better.

Morata could have been useful yesterday, he could have even been a linkup between midfield when u remember his Bayern performance where he counter attacked the ball from our box to their box and assist Cuadrado. Dybala failed to have that sort of similar impact. Like that Higuain goal against Monaco, Dybala backheel.
Not happy with anybody's performance yesterday. I think Pjanic was playing with a knee injury as well. And I agree on the lack of bench options.
Ideally we go out and do something like

Verratti :80ml
Schick : 25ml
Spinazzola : return from loan
Conti: 25 ml

Switch to a 4 3 3 of sorts

Don't tell me we can't afford 150ml either

Out players like Rincon, Lemina, Asa, Licht.

It's the only way we will have a good chance of getting there again.

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I agree that 433 seems more balanced than our current formation. But who will be the starting forwards? And bench will still be a huge problem.
 
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