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Gigiventus

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But this is weird, im talking about your morata comments.
Morata isnt a phenomenon but thats fine, he would work his ass off for us and he is a juventino. Since he is not a world class star and likes us...we can maybe get some sort of deal for him. An opportunity.

The guy proved to be up to the task in our most difficult games, creating havoc and even scoring if given the chance. He was not superb in serie A mostly because of the packed defenses... but in europe where teams have a lot of offensive players and like to attack, he was stellar when given space. This season he is having really good numbers in real madrid for the little amount of playtime he is getting.

Berardi on the other hand has not been exposed to the kind of pressure and high tier games like morata. We cant say for sure he will be a success and also you need to take into account that he is a card magnet and tends to lose his head from time to time. His numbers in serie A have fallen this season (mainly because of the injury), but still... i dont think we can put him above morata until he shows he is made for the big games like morata has proved time and time again. What i think he has above morata is that he seems to be a natural goalscorer with his left foot, while morata is more about running at soaces with the ball or being in the right moment to pick up a ball and score.

For me, Morata is tried and tested. I have no doubts on what we will get.
For berardi, IMO he is hugely talented and would complement our RW growing as a player....BUT he is untested and i dont know if he will be up to the task mentally to do the big jump and play put of his comnfort zone is a team like Juve. thats said.. i would gladly take the risk and buy him. I think he has it.
Morata ONLY proved to be up to the task in our most difficult moments, that's my problem. He was tried and tested for 2 seasons and came up short outside of a handful of matches. I would still take him because that's cool to have if he was cheap, but he wont be. Madrid paid 30(?) to have him back and won't sell for less when all the prices are going up. Not yet at least.

I agree with you that we can't say that Berardi would be a success with us, but its the same as any other player we sign. We can't say for certain that any player we sign will be a success. We couldn't say that Dybala, Rugani were gonna make it. Not even Mandzukic or Tevez who came from less than special seasons before joining us.

We take a gamble on younger players sometimes it pays off (Dybala) and sometimes it doesn't (Lemina). There is no young player we have loaned/co-owned more derserving of joining Juve than Berardi. The expectations with him are unrealistic by some fans (not saying you). Even in this season diminished by injuries he has better numbers than Cuadrado or Mandzukic. What he does with Sassuolo is amazing. About the high tier games, he can only perform in the games he plays. He has scored and/or assisted against all big (and small) teams in Serie A except for us, most of them multiple times. That's more than Morata can say.

The only reason there is less hype about him is because he plays for such a small club. If Morata actually had put consistent performances like Berardi, he would be more of a protagonist in football by now. All of this would hold if they were the same age, now Berardi is even 2 years younger. In our particular case as well, Morata never worked well as CF with Dybala. Both of them attack space and no one created it, Mandzu and Higuain fit 100 times better next to Paulo, who is our priority.
 

j0ker

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Jan 5, 2006
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Fuck Douglas Costa and his agent.

They considered Bayern as a stepping stone to EPL or Barca/Real.

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Hydde

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Morata ONLY proved to be up to the task in our most difficult moments, that's my problem. He was tried and tested for 2 seasons and came up short outside of a handful of matches. I would still take him because that's cool to have if he was cheap, but he wont be. Madrid paid 30(?) to have him back and won't sell for less when all the prices are going up. Not yet at least.

I agree with you that we can't say that Berardi would be a success with us, but its the same as any other player we sign. We can't say for certain that any player we sign will be a success. We couldn't say that Dybala, Rugani were gonna make it. Not even Mandzukic or Tevez who came from less than special seasons before joining us.

We take a gamble on younger players sometimes it pays off (Dybala) and sometimes it doesn't (Lemina). There is no young player we have loaned/co-owned more derserving of joining Juve than Berardi. The expectations with him are unrealistic by some fans (not saying you). Even in this season diminished by injuries he has better numbers than Cuadrado or Mandzukic. What he does with Sassuolo is amazing. About the high tier games, he can only perform in the games he plays. He has scored and/or assisted against all big (and small) teams in Serie A except for us, most of them multiple times. That's more than Morata can say.

The only reason there is less hype about him is because he plays for such a small club. If Morata actually had put consistent performances like Berardi, he would be more of a protagonist in football by now. All of this would hold if they were the same age, now Berardi is even 2 years younger. In our particular case as well, Morata never worked well as CF with Dybala. Both of them attack space and no one created it, Mandzu and Higuain fit 100 times better next to Paulo, who is our priority.
I dont have any problem with morata showing in do or die games. We steamroll the league no matter what the others do... but we struggle in CL. I would kill for a player like Morata who saved our asses in CL the 2 years he was here. We can win serie A with rincons and leminas....we are this strong. But clutch players in CL are golden.

About Berardi, i do not doubt his talent and IMO he would be a safe gamble in terms of football... but

1-i dont liked his constant evasion toward Juventus. He is using sassuolo as an excuse, but i feel he is also waiting for something else (ie: INter). Also he is not too convinced about coming here and being Cuadrado´s bench. Before he had the excuse we didnt played a formation that suited him... but now he should man up , come here and reclaim his starter position if he is that good.

2-Like i told you before, he tends to lose it and get cards galore. I dont like the kind of players who tend to lose their head in hot games. This kind of players are troublesome because they create unstability in the team with their volatile behaviour and getting send off. Still, i think we can work on this and he is young..,he can be teached. But theres always a risk that he will never change.

well, from marotta´s words and Berardi´s apathy toward us, i think he will end in inter.
 

rakib567

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Apr 27, 2013
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We wanted Berardi in 2015/16 season and he rejected us just because he wanted to develop further. He didn't reject us like draxler and went to a diffrent team. So i would give Berardi a shot, he's goal scoring record is just :tuttosport:

However Bernardeschi should be our number 1 target
 
Jan 5, 2007
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I dont think we have chance to get morata, since zidan in love with his young players and he trust them very much if you see bayern game you will get it.

As for berardi, we dont know if he will shine here but he fits the profile and play in both wings ntm the relation ship with sassoulo.

They kept him for europa league this season, we are running low with italian players and we need to give a chance to the promising ones.
 

Hydde

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Mar 6, 2003
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Morata is difficult especially because Madrid will get cocky and ask us for a lot of money. Morata should leave real, he will never get his chance there, as he is not "galactico" enough to please florentino. I hope one day he realizes this and ask for a transfer.

If i was Beppe, i would try one last time for Berardi and try to get bernardeschi too. This 2 guys are the future of Italy and a great DM will make us great. I think its pretty doable.

bernardeschi is waiting till endseason to renew, so he will be listening to offers. My worry is that fiorentina will pull a jovetic/cuadrado again and sell him to whoever not named Juve just because.

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I dont think we have chance to get morata, since zidan in love with his young players and he trust them very much if you see bayern game you will get it.

As for berardi, we dont know if he will shine here but he fits the profile and play in both wings ntm the relation ship with sassoulo.

They kept him for europa league this season, we are running low with italian players and we need to give a chance to the promising ones.
He loves his young guns not named Morata. The guy scores and delivers everytime, but keeps getting the cold bench. Thats no love :D
 
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