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Gigiventus

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Morata on form was exceptional for us...with a great amoiunt of workrate, speed and goals. He is not a gamble and we know what he is capable of. Like someone said...he would play the Mandzukic role exceptionally and if we have the chance we should go for him. Also Berardi needs to be tested on the highest level games. Morata has suceeded on this too. I would love Berardi here but dont overhype him, as morata has cL numbers to back him up.

Berardi on the right sharing time with cuadrado would be really good tho. Cuadrado should not play everygame.
All Morata has is CL numbers. His general play with us was atrocious. An out of form Morata was the most frustrating figure in a Juve shirt in a long time, and he was mostly out of form. He shows up when there is space to run and counter (ike CL nights), in every other situation he was terrible. The magic of his big moments and the sentiment that that causes shouldn't hide the fact that he had so many frustrating gaps in his game. Watching him sulk around and run with his head down looking at the ball was ridiculous. His first touch often let him down and for being a tall guy, he was extremely weak. The anti-Mandzukic in all aspects.

A question, if we would bring him back, what would be your preferred role for him?

He is and has always been a CF, but would you really play him there? the only role where I can see him succeed in a top club is on the left as an inside forward. He lacks too many things in terms of understanding the game on top of needing to bulk up and play like a man.

All of which Berardi has. Who, as a younger player, is complete in affecting all facets of the game. People mention 'statpadding' (which doesn't exist for a club like Sassuolo where every contribution counts) but it can only be because they don't watch Sassuolo often. He puts that team on his shoulders and goes back and forth trying to do everything. When Sassuolo works well he shines in attack with the goals and assist, when Sassuolo doesn't he is in midfield doing everything else.

Morata is already 24 but in terms of football development he is a long long way off.
 

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Osman

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this is about Malcom brazilian winger in Bordeaux.

It was reported yesterday that the 20-year-old is of interest to the Giallorossi, with expected new sporting director Monchi known to be a fan.

“I read in the papers about the interest of Roma,” Fernando Garcia admitted in an interview with calciomercato.com.

“I can say though that we haven’t had any contact yet. They’d be very interesting, he [Malcom] really likes Italian football and the Giallorossi are among the most entertaining.

“He’d be very happy to come and play in Italy, we have another player at Roma, Emerson Palmieri, so he’d do well there.

“Juventus? Absolutely, we’ve had contact with Juventus but so far we haven’t received a formal offer.”

Conctact or just agent inflating his client?
 

DAiDEViL

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He any good? Never heard of him before.

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Morata on form was exceptional for us...with a great amoiunt of workrate, speed and goals. He is not a gamble and we know what he is capable of. Like someone said...he would play the Mandzukic role exceptionally and if we have the chance we should go for him.
He can play some sort of LW/LM, but he doesn't offer Mandzu's workrate (...who does?), nor does he offer his physicality - He's soft as fuck.

But yeah, he can play there and as CF, which makes him an interesting target.
 

Hydde

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All Morata has is CL numbers. His general play with us was atrocious. An out of form Morata was the most frustrating figure in a Juve shirt in a long time, and he was mostly out of form. He shows up when there is space to run and counter (ike CL nights), in every other situation he was terrible. The magic of his big moments and the sentiment that that causes shouldn't hide the fact that he had so many frustrating gaps in his game. Watching him sulk around and run with his head down looking at the ball was ridiculous. His first touch often let him down and for being a tall guy, he was extremely weak. The anti-Mandzukic in all aspects.

A question, if we would bring him back, what would be your preferred role for him?

He is and has always been a CF, but would you really play him there? the only role where I can see him succeed in a top club is on the left as an inside forward. He lacks too many things in terms of understanding the game on top of needing to bulk up and play like a man.

All of which Berardi has. Who, as a younger player, is complete in affecting all facets of the game. People mention 'statpadding' (which doesn't exist for a club like Sassuolo where every contribution counts) but it can only be because they don't watch Sassuolo often. He puts that team on his shoulders and goes back and forth trying to do everything. When Sassuolo works well he shines in attack with the goals and assist, when Sassuolo doesn't he is in midfield doing everything else.

Morata is already 24 but in terms of football development he is a long long way off.
The worst we have seen from morata was that patch at the beggining of his last season, when he was having depression issues because of his relationship break up (Gf) and he was not able to handle it well. He have said that many times. Proof of that is that when he found his actual wife...(by that time his gf), the guy returned to his good form of his first season. His game isnt flawless but the few attributes he has are so good for us (speed, stamina and clutch goals).

About your question, ill explain.

Mi idea of this coming mercato would be to buy as many multipurpouse high quality players as we can.
This is because we got a formation that is giving us great numbers, BUT we need like 5 players to make it work for long periods (Mandz,Dybala, Pipa, Cuads...all of them do not have a sub and they cant play every game).
Any injury or suspension nerfs this formation tremendously. We NEED more players, but at the same time we cant buy a WC sub for every of the 4 positions mentioned. That why i choose a player like Morata.

Like i said before, he was tested in Juve and IMO his spell was positive. If i would bring him back, he could mainly play 2 roles.

-The standard one would be LW, because we cant use MAndz everygame and we will need to rest him for clutch games if we plan to continue using him as a starter there. I say this because his game is all based on stamina and tackling...and if he is burned he cant deliver.
For this, we would need a stronger defensive mid since we know Morata doesnt offer the same defensive attributes mandz does, but he can for sure offer more offensive input than Mandz and morata also has good workrate. He will not be sightseeing like Balotelli does for example. Also morata offers GREAT counters in this position and since we are mostly a counter attacking team, he would offer a great trait mandzsukic cant.

Also, is worth mentioning that Pjaca seems to not be ready to be a fulltime variant for mandz,,,since he seems to have problems following Allegri´s plan and is kinda raw. Now he is even injured so it will take more time for him to get back into business, and on top of it he is on a learning curve. By the time he returns..he could be another LW variant or we can even continue using him as a variation of cuadrado (which i dont like much since i feel his output is not the the as a RW than as a LW).

-His 2nd position would be as a striker. Higuain doesnt have a sub and MOrata proved he can bang some goals if given the chance. He is not a Higuain or Lewa or suarez in terms of finishing... but he somehow finds the net more often than not, specially in clutch games. With Dybala and Cuadrado behind him, plus his workrate, he would be a great option for when Higuain is having a bad patch of form. Also this 2 positions will give him enough playtime for him to not get rusty on the bench and who knows, maybe he cant urn into a starter.


About Berardi, yes i would love him here. I think he would really complement cuadrado on that flank and we would have another good variation for when the colombian needs a rest or is not delivering. Cuadrado has the dribbles and incisiveness... but Berardi has that deadly left foot and he also can create on his own. he has endproduct , goals especifically , that cuadrado have not. IMO he is no statpadder. People hates on him because he is an interista but his football qualities are real. Anyways, getting berardddi would be for the RW and also for the CF role since he can score.

I my ideal mercato i would get both Morata and Berardi. This would even let us use another formation for games when dybala is not around or needs a rest. Something like a 433 with morata and berardi/cuads on wings.... or a 4321 with morata and berardi behind Higuain. This is in case we are not able to buy a Treq like Bernardeschi.

Ideal for me would be:
-Morata (or sanchez :tuttosport:, unlikely)
-Berardi
-Top DM
-Treq (if possible).

Honestly i would prefer sanchez instead of morata for the short term since he is simply better, but for the long run morata is more tempting as i feel we have not seen the best of him yet.




He can play some sort of LW/LM, but he doesn't offer Mandzu's workrate (...who does?), nor does he offer his physicality - He's soft as $#@!.

But yeah, he can play there and as CF, which makes him an interesting target.
Yeh sorry, i do not expressed properly. Playing the LW role would be more accurate. A variation to Mandz and Pjaca.
He is soft as hell for sure and falls pretty easily... but he would offer a more offensive gameplay than mandzukic, hence an interesting variation.
 

Gigiventus

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I agree with most of your post, and specially about this part.

Mi idea of this coming mercato would be to buy as many multipurpouse high quality players as we can.
This is because we got a formation that is giving us great numbers, BUT we need like 5 players to make it work for long periods (Mandz,Dybala, Pipa, Cuads...all of them do not have a sub and they cant play every game).
Any injury or suspension nerfs this formation tremendously. We NEED more players, but at the same time we cant buy a WC sub for every of the 4 positions mentioned. That why i choose a player like Morata.
That's why I want guys like Berardi, Bernardeschi and even Morata. I was replying to the fact that Morata is not better than Berardi, he has never shown to be so even though he is 2 years older. But he would be useful if cheap.

He isn't a phenomenon, he is a 24 year old bench player who is and will be good but won't make the jump until he sorts out his game. This, imo, requires that he is a starter and a club every week and gains enough experience and malice to beat defenses that are not spread thin and being countered on the run. He doesn't need Juve or Madrid, he needs the time and patience of a smaller club. Of course we could still use him but it wouldn't be the best for him.

Berardi on the other hand has the experience and is way ahead in terms of development and performances. He is a smarter player that has had to grow in a very well rounded way since he plays for a poor team, and sees football better than most even at just 22. Even just his numbers in Serie A are ridiculous
 

Zacheryah

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So you are telling me the chances to find someone who can play GK/RM are the same of finding someone who can play AM/LM?
You simply keep beeing oblivious about Mandzukic and how he's the reason this formation with the current selection works.

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this is about Malcom brazilian winger in Bordeaux.




Conctact or just agent inflating his client?
The latter, we should have heared this otherwise
 

Hydde

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Mar 6, 2003
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You simply keep beeing oblivious about Mandzukic and how he's the reason this formation with the current selection works.
Zach, by now you should know you are the kind of guy that when is stuck into something, theres no way to make you change your mind.

While i really like the defensive work of madzukic, ill not fool myself and pretend he is the ultimate LW in world football. yes, he is a major reason why this formation works and im ok with it.

What im not ok, is to see him playing game in game out without a proper variant until he burns and our formation goes with him, and ignoring any sort of different gameplan.

Also im not ok in your views that this formation will work only if him is on the field. He is a great player, but we can adapt different tactics for different players on field...and different players offers other attributes that mandz cant offer (ie: sanchez).

The same thing happened years ago when u was stuck on asamoah being the sole reason about why contes 352 worked. You are simply stubborn.
 

Zacheryah

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Zach, by now you should know you are the kind of guy that when is stuck into something, theres no way to make you change your mind.

While i really like the defensive work of madzukic, ill not fool myself and pretend he is the ultimate LW in world football. yes, he is a major reason why this formation works and im ok with it.

What im not ok, is to see him playing game in game out without a proper variant until he burns and our formation goes with him, and ignoring any sort of different gameplan.

Also im not ok in your views that this formation will work only if him is on the field. He is a great player, but we can adapt different tactics for different players on field...and different players offers other attributes that mandz cant offer (ie: sanchez).

The same thing happened years ago when u was stuck on asamoah being the sole reason about why contes 352 worked. You are simply stubborn.
Its very simple


Take off mandzukic and we arent playing Pjanic-Khedira in the center.
 

Hydde

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I agree with most of your post, and specially about this part.



That's why I want guys like Berardi, Bernardeschi and even Morata. I was replying to the fact that Morata is not better than Berardi, he has never shown to be so even though he is 2 years older. But he would be useful if cheap.

He isn't a phenomenon, he is a 24 year old bench player who is and will be good but won't make the jump until he sorts out his game. This, imo, requires that he is a starter and a club every week and gains enough experience and malice to beat defenses that are not spread thin and being countered on the run. He doesn't need Juve or Madrid, he needs the time and patience of a smaller club. Of course we could still use him but it wouldn't be the best for him.

Berardi on the other hand has the experience and is way ahead in terms of development and performances. He is a smarter player that has had to grow in a very well rounded way since he plays for a poor team, and sees football better than most even at just 22. Even just his numbers in Serie A are ridiculous
But this is weird, im talking about your morata comments.
Morata isnt a phenomenon but thats fine, he would work his ass off for us and he is a juventino. Since he is not a world class star and likes us...we can maybe get some sort of deal for him. An opportunity.

The guy proved to be up to the task in our most difficult games, creating havoc and even scoring if given the chance. He was not superb in serie A mostly because of the packed defenses... but in europe where teams have a lot of offensive players and like to attack, he was stellar when given space. This season he is having really good numbers in real madrid for the little amount of playtime he is getting.

Berardi on the other hand has not been exposed to the kind of pressure and high tier games like morata. We cant say for sure he will be a success and also you need to take into account that he is a card magnet and tends to lose his head from time to time. His numbers in serie A have fallen this season (mainly because of the injury), but still... i dont think we can put him above morata until he shows he is made for the big games like morata has proved time and time again. What i think he has above morata is that he seems to be a natural goalscorer with his left foot, while morata is more about running at soaces with the ball or being in the right moment to pick up a ball and score.

For me, Morata is tried and tested. I have no doubts on what we will get.
For berardi, IMO he is hugely talented and would complement our RW growing as a player....BUT he is untested and i dont know if he will be up to the task mentally to do the big jump and play put of his comnfort zone is a team like Juve. thats said.. i would gladly take the risk and buy him. I think he has it.
 
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Its fair to say that Mandzukic works well in what we do and can even say that we need him for our formation to be successful but to think Allegri couldnt change tactics a bit to fit a different style winger is just silly. Also its damn neer impossible to find a player like him so whoever we bring in even if its for depth we have to change tactically
 

Hydde

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Mar 6, 2003
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Its very simple


Take off mandzukic and we arent playing Pjanic-Khedira in the center.
Thats why i said that for this to work..we would need a great DM who would run his ass off and provide workload.

Also, take in account that we have played already some games (not cl) without Mandz on the wing and using Pjaca, and i have not seen our team crumble or turn into serie B material. if we have not done better it has been mainly because of Pjaca still figuring out what he needs to do..... but take Pjaca out and put someone like Sanchez, and i think we can even do without buying a great DM even when using pjanic and khedira against not hard pressing teams.

that said, Obvs i WANT us to have a hard tackler who can roam the midfield like a pitbull and deliver passes...this formation needs it because we cant play khedira and pjanic every game...and our supposed hard tacklers rincon and sturaro are simply not starter/juve material.

Our new midifield should be this: Pjanic, Khedira, Marchisio, New high tier DM and Mandragora. The rest should be sold.

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Its fair to say that Mandzukic works well in what we do and can even say that we need him for our formation to be successful but to think Allegri couldnt change tactics a bit to fit a different style winger is just silly. Also its damn neer impossible to find a player like him so whoever we bring in even if its for depth we have to change tactically
Right now, no. Its impossible.

Pjaca/Sturaro offensive-defensive-tactical output is not enought to compensate.
 

Dominic

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Its fair to say that Mandzukic works well in what we do and can even say that we need him for our formation to be successful but to think Allegri couldnt change tactics a bit to fit a different style winger is just silly. Also its damn neer impossible to find a player like him so whoever we bring in even if its for depth we have to change tactically
Yeah, right now Sturaro is plan B..
 
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