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j0ker

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I dont see Bayern being interested in him and his wage demands would make him instantly top earner and that simply wont happen. He must lower his demands by some margin before that and I highly doubt that.

Bayern r stacked too with Ribery, Robben, Costa and Coman + Müller, so one player has to go then..I wouldnt mind selling Costa, if an offer 50m+ arrives though.

Another negative is the age, so Sanchez would just be a short term solution, but with big ego and expectations now, while Robbery still there. All in all it doesnt fit and I think Mbappe is their wet dream..dont know if there is a chance to get him..prob not.
I thought Costa was doing great for Bayern? Why should they sell him?

Is it because his agent's comments?

Who's Bayern's highest earner? Doesn't Lewa earn 10mln NET?
 

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Nostradamus

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I thought Costa was doing great for Bayern? Why should they sell him?

Is it because his agent's comments?

Who's Bayern's highest earner? Doesn't Lewa earn 10mln NET?
Not easy to get reliable numbers, but IMO Lewa leapfrogged Müller with his latest extension and they earn around 15-18m gross..maybe more with high bonuses and u r right with 10m net, but I think its less.

I dont know, if Bayern would sell Costa, but I would. He is a very good player, but too limited for my taste. Sell him for top money and find a more creative winger.
 

j0ker

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Not easy to get reliable numbers, but IMO Lewa leapfrogged Müller with his latest extension and they earn around 15-18m gross..maybe more with high bonuses and u r right with 10m net, but I think its less.

I dont know, if Bayern would sell Costa, but I would. He is a very good player, but too limited for my taste. Sell him for top money and find a more creative winger.
Sanchez currently earns about 8-9mln gross, but is demanding double that according to reports.

Nothing out of your reach, our Juve's for that matter.

PSG could always go full retard though.
 

Gigiventus

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I dont undertstand that. We have pretty much used Pjanic in some of our serie A games after we switched to 4231 and i have seen no problems. In fact we have let in very few goals using this formation. We are not speculating here, we are seeing the results of using it in comparison to our 3 cb 3 mids variant. And this is even using an incomplete 4231.
We will not get "wrecked" in serie A. With a forward line of sanchez etc..we will be just WAY to strong for anyone to get wrecked if we play seriously. Serie A , apart from napoli, roma and inter... is a cakewalk.

CL is another matter, and thats why we need a strong midfielder, and possibly a variation in tactics, that i agree

About Pjaca subbing both wings im not sure.. he has looked lost as a RW.

If ths formation is giving us dividends, i think is worth the effort to go on with it.
We are not playing 4-2-3-1. Its a 4-4-2. Madnzukic plays as a LM, not like an inside forward at all, thats makes it work. Dybala also plays like an SS, not as an AM. And Cuadrado is a winger. I also want to continue with this system. In a real 4-2-3-1 with Sanchez we are taking out a side midfielder and putting in a striker. Its different, very different. Allegri has said as well that he considers Sturaro as a sub for the LM position, because its that, LM, not a forward role.

The more we strengthen the attack by taking off players like Mandzukic and Cuadrado for inside forwards, the more we weaken the midfield.
 

Valerio.

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We are not playing 4-2-3-1. Its a 4-4-2. Madnzukic plays as a LM, not like an inside forward at all, thats makes it work. Dybala also plays like an SS, not as an AM. And Cuadrado is a winger. I also want to continue with this system. In a real 4-2-3-1 with Sanchez we are taking out a side midfielder and putting in a striker. Its different, very different. Allegri has said as well that he considers Sturaro as a sub for the LM position, because its that, LM, not a forward role.

The more we strengthen the attack by taking off players like Mandzukic and Cuadrado for inside forwards, the more we weaken the midfield.
Nah dude i should correct you there.
We play 4-4-1-1
Because Dybala always play around midfield and behind Higuain.
So much for the 4-2-3-1 some people love! Allegri is making us play that way.
In a real 4-2-3-1 Cuadrado and Mandzukic should score some goals. Here with us they don't even have the chance. Basically 80% of our goals/chances goes through Higuain , 10% Dybala-Pjanic set pieces and the rest on the team.
Barcellona play a real 4-3-3.
Napoli as well.
4-3-3 means having three strikers not coming back on our def line but instead always stay around the midfield line even while we're under attack.
That's why some people say we get less goals with our 4231.... that's because it's not real.
Just to remind you the last 4-2-3-1 seen in Italy was Inter one. Etoo in Mandzukic position was a score machine.. unlike Mario.
Snejder was almost ballon d'or playing behind Milito being a real offensive playmaker.
 

zizinho

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Some of them just dont make sense, but who knows maybe they r not that far off afterall. I just dont trust them though.
They even say they might not be 100% accurate

Bayern Munich squad salaries and player contract details were leaked earlier in the summer and here are the details of figures which were quoted in Germany media which might and might not be 100% accurate.
But they took them from German media, so unless there are official numbers from Bayerns financial details I dont think you can get them more accurate than this. When I compare it to Juve wages and the revenue of both clubs, it doesent seem like they are off by much
 

Gigiventus

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Nah dude i should correct you there.
We play 4-4-1-1
Because Dybala always play around midfield and behind Higuain.
So much for the 4-2-3-1 some people love! Allegri is making us play that way.
In a real 4-2-3-1 Cuadrado and Mandzukic should score some goals. Here with us they don't even have the chance. Basically 80% of our goals/chances goes through Higuain , 10% Dybala-Pjanic set pieces and the rest on the team.
Barcellona play a real 4-3-3.
Napoli as well.
4-3-3 means having three strikers not coming back on our def line but instead always stay around the midfield line even while we're under attack.
That's why some people say we get less goals with our 4231.... that's because it's not real.
Just to remind you the last 4-2-3-1 seen in Italy was Inter one. Etoo in Mandzukic position was a score machine.. unlike Mario.
Snejder was almost ballon d'or playing behind Milito being a real offensive playmaker.
I'm not sure if we are understanding each other correctly. It looks like we are making the same point. I was saying the same thing. we don't play a 4-2-3-1, we play the old school 4-4-2/4-4-1-1.

On the 4-2-3-1 in Italy, there have been more after Inter, they just haven't been successful. Benitez at Napoli played one. Inzaghi tried one a few times this season but switched out of it quickly.
 

Hydde

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Nah dude i should correct you there.
We play 4-4-1-1
Because Dybala always play around midfield and behind Higuain.
So much for the 4-2-3-1 some people love! Allegri is making us play that way.
In a real 4-2-3-1 Cuadrado and Mandzukic should score some goals. Here with us they don't even have the chance. Basically 80% of our goals/chances goes through Higuain , 10% Dybala-Pjanic set pieces and the rest on the team.
Barcellona play a real 4-3-3.
Napoli as well.
4-3-3 means having three strikers not coming back on our def line but instead always stay around the midfield line even while we're under attack.
That's why some people say we get less goals with our 4231.... that's because it's not real.
Just to remind you the last 4-2-3-1 seen in Italy was Inter one. Etoo in Mandzukic position was a score machine.. unlike Mario.
Snejder was almost ballon d'or playing behind Milito being a real offensive playmaker.
This is true. We play a CF as a winger and a not WC winger on the other side. With all respect to our previous players mentioned...if we are planning to play a serious 4231, we need real goalscorers on each wing. tricky mofos who can create from a 1v1 and finish plays.

But more than not being real, i would say it is improvised and created with what we have at disposal.. not with what we need,
 

Robee

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Pirlo was a free transfer
Vidal was a 11M buy
Llorente was also a free transfer
Tevez was a 10M buy while IIRC we even sold Vucinic in the same summer we got Tevez..

You either put some bad examples or you didnt interpret my post very well
You also mentioned bringing in Khedira who was also free so... Tevez cost us 10-15 mil but we're also much richer now and Vucinic was anything but a star so you're just twisting and turning now. Plus it's not as if Sanchez will cost a fortune in transfer fee; his salary is probably the stumbling block.
 

zizinho

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You also mentioned bringing in Khedira who was also free so... Tevez cost us 10-15 mil but we're also much richer now and Vucinic was anything but a star so you're just twisting and turning now. Plus it's not as if Sanchez will cost a fortune in transfer fee; his salary is probably the stumbling block.
they all also got big salaries and were highest paid players on the team, another argument against Orguts claim
 

DAiDEViL

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"Inter are reportedly close to agreeing a deal with Fiorentina for winger Federico Bernardeschi.

According to Il Messaggero, a deal for €40m has been agreed in principle, with an additional fee paid by Chinese owners the Suning group for the player’s image rights.

Now, discussions are said to be moving towards the player’s agent with a view to hammering out personal terms."

Who or what is Il Messaggero :D @Mark
 

Hydde

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Mar 6, 2003
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They would be happy to negotiate with inter just to annoy us.

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Verrati agent saying he can be at PSG for life..
But also said he was ready to come to juve before signing for PSG...

We all knew this but fuck my life anyways. What a player we lost.
 
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