Summer mercato thread 2017-18 (206 Viewers)

[Valerio.]

To me Sanchez is unlikely.
Because of the huge wage. Rumors about PSG offering 16m.
Or he is set to join us for the 6-7m/year net income or is very unlikely.

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Sell benatia? Is he even ours to begin yet?

we have an option to buy for 18m.

 

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[pitbull]

To me Sanchez is unlikely.
Because of the huge wage. Rumors about PSG offering 16m.
Or he is set to join us for the 6-7m/year net income or is very unlikely.
we have an option to buy for 18m.

psg seem like a big contender for his signature, would be their type of signing

 

[Fr3sh]

Den we sign the Toure brothers, get Guti out of retirement, and get Marcelo to be backup to Alex Sandro :ID:

Sandro is ultimate fullback
Sandro>>>>>>young maldini
Sandro can't sit on bench, Marcelo can be winger he has enough flair and fancy

 

[Zacheryah]

Sandro is ultimate fullback
Sandro>>>>>>young maldini
Sandro can't sit on bench, Marcelo can be winger he has enough flair and fancy

Lets not get too much carried away, even if its an obvious joke.

 

[The Quazis]

To me Sanchez is unlikely.
Because of the huge wage. Rumors about PSG offering 16m.
Or he is set to join us for the 6-7m/year net income or is very unlikely.

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we have an option to buy for 18m.

T. Silva is their highest earner with 13.2 mln gross so he earns less than Higuain and Dybala. http://www.leparisien.fr/informations/cote-salaires-paris-reste-champion-16-12-2016-6462270.php

Hence I doubt we stand no chance of signing Sanchez.

 

[Valerio.]

T. Silva is their highest earner with 13.2 mln gross so he earns less than Higuain and Dybala. http://www.leparisien.fr/informations/cote-salaires-paris-reste-champion-16-12-2016-6462270.php

Hence I doubt we stand no chance of signing Sanchez.

Oo it's always confusing. Italians always talk in net income but at the same time italian media and foreign ones sometimes speak in gross and sometimes in net. Making it very complicated.
We'll see

 

[Fr3sh]

Lets not get too much carried away, even if its an obvious joke.

I'm not joking.

 

[PhRoZeN]

psg seem like a big contender for his signature, would be their type of signing

Yeah, I see that happening as well. He just wants money and trophies and PSG is still a good place to win some.

 

[zizinho]

To me Sanchez is unlikely.
Because of the huge wage. Rumors about PSG offering 16m.
Or he is set to join us for the 6-7m/year net income or is very unlikely.

Sanchez currently earns less than Pjanic, and PSGs offer is gross wages obviously (if its even true), so its around 8M, slighly more than Higuain. Or do you think they would make him 4th best paid player in the world, right after Tevez, Messi and Ronaldo, and BY FAR the best paid player in the team with stars like Verratti, T. Silva, Cavani and di Maria already there?

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Sandro is ultimate fullback
Sandro>>>>>>young maldini
Sandro can't sit on bench, Marcelo can be winger he has enough flair and fancy

Alex Sandro-Marcelo
Danilo-Cuadrado

?

 

[Hydde]

To everyone wanting to sign Sanchez, that will almost surely mean a switch to a 4-3-3 as I don't see Allegri relying on a real 4-2-3-1 with 3 guys playing as strikers for most of our games. Mandzukic is playing as a pure LM and he offers a lot of balance with Cuadrado being the winger he is.

If we do switch to the 4-3-3 then we are moving Dybala away from his preferred position, is it really worth it? it could be. But then signing Sanchez means benching both Mandzukic and Cuadrado. Cuadrado on the bench means Pjaca is even more of a sub. We also need to start another CM, it seems like we can get Tolisso so he is there, but to play with 3 CMs we'll need another quality back up (Bentnacur?).

It might be smarter to first use that money to try and get Bernardeschi who's best role is LW and who can also give Dybala a rest, and stick to the 4-4-2 we have going on. That way we keep a good thing going and don't need to spend so much to make our team work again.

tldr: Singing Sanchez (who I'm a huge fan off) brings a lot reshuffling and market activity. It high risk-high reward in terms of everything needed to make it work.

Not neccessarily we need to swtich to 433.

We can work on te foundations we have right now of the 4231.

What we would need is a Tolisso like player for the mid. Someone that can bulldoze the midfield and support the forwards with constant passes. Something in the lines of prime Vidal.
Khedira is not this man. he is not physical enought and seems like a midfielder who likes to play alongside physical ones, because he can push forward himself, but he cant cover terrain and tackle like the marauder we need.

For this formation to work at its 100%

-----------xxx-------xxx--------
Cuadrado----Dybala-----Sanchez
---------------Higuain---------

the "X" should be very string midfielders, stamina like dudes. Something in the lines of Tolisso, coupled with Marchisio or Rincon. We can use Pjanic in the mix when the adversary is not that strong. And in case Dybala needs a rest, we can use easily Pjanic as Treq.
We would need an extra dude to rotate with Cuadrado, someone like Berardi....and we will set.

Bernardeschi would be great!, but fiorentina will not negotiate with us and we will be forced to pay the release clause. Thats why i think he is impossible, pretty much like my dream Verrati.

 

[Orgut]

Not neccessarily we need to swtich to 433.

We can work on te foundations we have right now of the 4231.

What we would need is a Tolisso like player for the mid. Someone that can bulldoze the midfield and support the forwards with constant passes. Something in the lines of prime Vidal.
Khedira is not this man. he is not physical enought and seems like a midfielder who likes to play alongside physical ones, because he can push forward himself, but he cant cover terrain and tackle like the marauder we need.

For this formation to work at its 100%

-----------xxx-------xxx--------
Cuadrado----Dybala-----Sanchez
---------------Higuain---------

the "X" should be very string midfielders, stamina like dudes. Something in the lines of Tolisso, coupled with Marchisio or Rincon. We can use Pjanic in the mix when the adversary is not that strong. And in case Dybala needs a rest, we can use easily Pjanic as Treq.
We would need an extra dude to rotate with Cuadrado, someone like Berardi....and we will set.

Bernardeschi would be great!, but fiorentina will not negotiate with us and we will be forced to pay the release clause. Thats why i think he is impossible, pretty much like my dream Verrati.

I dont know if we are to play the 4-2-3-1 long term as it seems like a midfield that really make your midfield vulnerable
4-3-3 or 4-3-1-2 are the way Allegri or the new coach will think IMO (probably new coach)
Dybala Higuain with Bernardeschi behind them with Pjaca lurking for his chance to take the AM spot away..
In midfield I see us getting Tolisso so Tolisso Marchisio Pjanic and Khedira to replace whoever gets injured..

If we are to get Sanchez (and not sell Dybala) same formations could apply as Dybala can obviously play AM with Sanchez and Higuain upfront while we all know Sanchez can play 4-3-3...

P.S Sanchez - They say its Juve vs Inter - If this is true - If Sanchez is willing to accept Inter their only chance is to outbid us which could definitely happen as they are usually careless with money..
If they play it nice we will surely take him!
As for PSG if they decide to go all in there is nothing we can do but hope Sanchez do a Krasic and say ONLY JUVE!...

 

[michel]

Bernardeschi would be great!, but fiorentina will not negotiate with us and we will be forced to pay the release clause. Thats why i think he is impossible, pretty much like my dream Verrati.

There isn't any release clause in Bernardeschi's contract, hence it is almost impossible for us to buy him.

 

[Hydde]

As for PSG if they decide to go all in there is nothing we can do but hope Sanchez do a Krasic and say ONLY JUVE!...

I hope he choose us. The prospect at playing with Dybala , Higuain, Pjanic etc..is a good incentive. We also are planning to seriously tackle the CL.

But yeh, PSG is a problem. Moneywise they will beat us...and their project seems to be getting more serious with every year passing

 

[Valerio.]

Not neccessarily we need to swtich to 433.

We can work on te foundations we have right now of the 4231.

What we would need is a Tolisso like player for the mid. Someone that can bulldoze the midfield and support the forwards with constant passes. Something in the lines of prime Vidal.
Khedira is not this man. he is not physical enought and seems like a midfielder who likes to play alongside physical ones, because he can push forward himself, but he cant cover terrain and tackle like the marauder we need.

For this formation to work at its 100%

-----------xxx-------xxx--------
Cuadrado----Dybala-----Sanchez
---------------Higuain---------

the "X" should be very string midfielders, stamina like dudes. Something in the lines of Tolisso, coupled with Marchisio or Rincon. We can use Pjanic in the mix when the adversary is not that strong. And in case Dybala needs a rest, we can use easily Pjanic as Treq.
We would need an extra dude to rotate with Cuadrado, someone like Berardi....and we will set.

Bernardeschi would be great!, but fiorentina will not negotiate with us and we will be forced to pay the release clause. Thats why i think he is impossible, pretty much like my dream Verrati.

More like a 4-3-1-2

Alves-Bonucci-Rugani-Sandro
Tolisso-Marchisio-Pjanic
--------Dybala
----Sanchez----Higuain

or 4-3-2-1 basically Sanchez and Dybala behind Higuain with Pjaca-Mandzu and Cuadrado being our back ups to rotate.

It would be cool. But still if PSG offer 8m net is still way above. We're already making a huge for Higuain and Dybala. I doubt we could pay 3 top wages.

 

[Hydde]

More like a 4-3-1-2

Alves-Bonucci-Rugani-Sandro
Tolisso-Marchisio-Pjanic
--------Dybala
----Sanchez----Higuain

or 4-3-2-1 basically Sanchez and Dybala behind Higuain with Pjaca-Mandzu and Cuadrado being our back ups to rotate.

It would be cool. But still if PSG offer 8m net is still way above. We're already making a huge for Higuain and Dybala. I doubt we could pay 3 top wages.

About the formation:

I would like a 4321 or a 4312... but for this we would need more quality midfielders. real quality in the lines of our now extinct MVPP. Thats why i suggest to try to continue developing our 4231, because we already have most of the players for it and the investment would be "minor"...also our bench players will be constantly used... unlike the 3 midfielders variant which will force a lot of bench time for some. In the 4231 we would need sanchez, tolisso and someone to rotate with cuadrado (i would like berardi but he is a question mark). Those 3 buys would ensure everyone will have a cover and the rotation would be healthy:

Cuadrado(Berardi)----Dybala(Pjanic)---Sanchez(Pjaca/Mandz)

--------------------------Higuain(Mandz)-------------------------

On midfield we could use different pairs to rotate: Tolisso-Pjanic, Tolisso-Marchisio...slot khedira and rincon somewhere in between.

About the wages:

..yes it would be a major investment...one that will most likely drain us, more than what we are accustomed to. But IMO we need to take the risk and try to force a CL title. if we dont do this now, when it will be the time?. We are at a mature point of a winning cycle...after this...most of our important players will retire or decline (buff, marchisio, chiello, barzagli, bonucci,Licht).
We have a top bomber in Higuain... who is in his prime. This is a luxury we havent had in more than 10 years. We are the kind of team who cant buy Lewandowskis or Ronaldos when we please..so IMO we should make this count.
If we are prepared to have some losses, we should do it and see what happens.
If in a couple of years our project fails...theres always a Dybala sale which can bail us. I dont think he will be with us forever so this is a reality we need to face and be prepared for.

About Sanchez:

Bayern is the team that can snatch us Sanchez. Great team, great players, always competing for the CL. He can pretty much go there.

Lets see what we can offer him: competitive wages, a project that would revolve around him, first team football for sure, and the prospect of aiming for the CL. Not in the same line as bayern, but it will depend a lot in who we sign to compliment our team. Marotta will have to do a GREAT marketing campaign to sell Sanchez our plans for next season.

IMO, Marotta needs to wrap up players like tolisso and whoever comes, before talking to sanchez. that way he can speak to him with concrete facts and say "hey this is what we want to do and we want you to be in the middle of this".

PSG sounds tempting but they are stacked. City is a stepback, I dont see him going to chelsea.

 

[Valerio.]

About the formation:

I would like a 4321 or a 4312... but for this we would need more quality midfielders. real quality in the lines of our now extinct MVPP. Thats why i suggest to try to continue developing our 4231, because we already have most of the players for it and the investment would be "minor"...also our bench players will be constantly used... unlike the 3 midfielders variant which will force a lot of bench time for some. In the 4231 we would need sanchez, tolisso and someone to rotate with cuadrado (i would like berardi but he is a question mark). Those 3 buys would ensure everyone will have a cover and the rotation would be healthy:

Cuadrado(Berardi)----Dybala(Pjanic)---Sanchez(Pjaca/Mandz)

--------------------------Higuain(Mandz)-------------------------

On midfield we could use different pairs to rotate: Tolisso-Pjanic, Tolisso-Marchisio...slot khedira and rincon somewhere in between.

About the wages:

..yes it would be a major investment...one that will most likely drain us, more than what we are accustomed to. But IMO we need to take the risk and try to force a CL title. if we dont do this now, when it will be the time?. We are at a mature point of a winning cycle...after this...most of our important players will retire or decline (buff, marchisio, chiello, barzagli, bonucci,Licht).
We have a top bomber in Higuain... who is in his prime. This is a luxury we havent had in more than 10 years. We are the kind of team who cant buy Lewandowskis or Ronaldos when we please..so IMO we should make this count.
If we are prepared to have some losses, we should do it and see what happens.
If in a couple of years our project fails...theres always a Dybala sale which can bail us. I dont think he will be with us forever so this is a reality we need to face and be prepared for.

About Sanchez:

Bayern is the team that can snatch us Sanchez. Great team, great players, always competing for the CL. He can pretty much go there.

Lets see what we can offer him: competitive wages, a project that would revolve around him, first team football for sure, and the prospect of aiming for the CL. Not in the same line as bayern, but it will depend a lot in who we sign to compliment our team. Marotta will have to do a GREAT marketing campaign to sell Sanchez our plans for next season.

IMO, Marotta needs to wrap up players like tolisso and whoever comes, before talking to sanchez. that way he can speak to him with concrete facts and say "hey this is what we want to do and we want you to be in the middle of this".

PSG sounds tempting but they are stacked. City is a stepback, I dont see him going to chelsea.

why?
Tolisso-Marchisio-Pjanic and Khedira-Sturaro-Rincon as subs. Good first choice and 4th good cm and 2 decent subs in case of need

 

[dolph]

About Sanchez. We could afford his wages, if we limit the squad size to about 20 senior members and five promising youngsters(Primavera players)
Neto, Buffon
Alves, Licht, Chiel, Barza,Rugani,AS,Kola
Tolisso,Pjanic,Marchisio,Khedira,Bentacur
Mandzu, Sanchez,Pjaca,Dybala,Cuad,Higuain

Thats more than enough to play a variety of formations and mitigate injuries.

No need to have 5 CB, when we only use two in the starting formation, or 8 CM, when we only use 2 or maybe 3. Get ride of the shitty surplus players and stop making dumb signings like the Rincon one.

 

[Gigiventus]

@Orgut

Like the other posters said as well, a real 4-2-3-1 leaves us way to vulnerable in the middle.

In Serie A everyone packs the middle, 4-2-3-1 pretty much never worked for the past 5-6 years. Dybala, Higuain and Sanchez are strikers. Those 3 supported by a midfield 2, one of which is Pjanic, is gonna get us wrecked. The only way to make that work would be to just sit back and rely entirely on counters but that way we just lose dynamism. Even though Marchisio-Tolisso would be great, we are then benching Pjanic. And still, those 2 with no support would get wrecked by the midfields of Roma, Napoli and Inter.

It brings too many problems just to have fancy attackers.

Its a complicated situation because Sanchez is such a good opportunity, but not strictly necessary unless the board want to move to a 4-3-3 for real.

We also need a beast of a right back to support Dybala and Pjanic on the right side. A young Lichtsteiner would be godsend.

Another way to not shuffle the squad so much is a 3-4-3. We are already stacking the CBs again and our midfield sucks plus it allows us to use wing backs and wingers at the same time. It diminishes our need for a right back too.

-----Sanchez - Higuain - Dybala
Sandro - Marchisio - Pjanic - Cuadrado
------Chiellini - Bonucci - Rugani

^That way we only need 1 signing in the starting 11.
Pjaca subs both wings. Mandzukic subs CF. Alves subs RWB. Asamoah subs LWB. Khedira and Rincon sub CM. Benatia and Caldara sub the defense.

Worth looking into if the budget is not too high or if Max doesn't want a big carousel of players transferring in and out for once.

 

[Hydde]

I dont undertstand that. We have pretty much used Pjanic in some of our serie A games after we switched to 4231 and i have seen no problems. In fact we have let in very few goals using this formation. We are not speculating here, we are seeing the results of using it in comparison to our 3 cb 3 mids variant. And this is even using an incomplete 4231.
We will not get "wrecked" in serie A. With a forward line of sanchez etc..we will be just WAY to strong for anyone to get wrecked if we play seriously. Serie A , apart from napoli, roma and inter... is a cakewalk.

CL is another matter, and thats why we need a strong midfielder, and possibly a variation in tactics, that i agree

About Pjaca subbing both wings im not sure.. he has looked lost as a RW.

If ths formation is giving us dividends, i think is worth the effort to go on with it.

 

[Nostradamus]

Bayern is the team that can snatch us Sanchez. Great team, great players, always competing for the CL. He can pretty much go there.

PSG sounds tempting but they are stacked. City is a stepback, I dont see him going to chelsea.

I dont see Bayern being interested in him and his wage demands would make him instantly top earner and that simply wont happen. He must lower his demands by some margin before that and I highly doubt that.

Bayern r stacked too with Ribery, Robben, Costa and Coman + Müller, so one player has to go then..I wouldnt mind selling Costa, if an offer 50m+ arrives though.

Another negative is the age, so Sanchez would just be a short term solution, but with big ego and expectations now, while Robbery still there. All in all it doesnt fit and I think Mbappe is their wet dream..dont know if there is a chance to get him..prob not.