Summer mercato thread 2017-18 (41 Viewers)

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Orgut

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Dec 31, 2002
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Nope, no Berrardi, that fuc*ker done nothing remarkable in his career, young players are compared to some wC players,call me crazy but he reminds me of young Alexis from Udineze
Basing on youtube he does but honestly youtube can be very tricky...
Anyway I have a good feeling about this Orsolini guy
 

SrdanPopovic

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Jul 14, 2016
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OK.

He will be sold for a figure between €75m and €95m.

He is worth around €55m.
Higuain Was Worth 45m at best, yet he Was sold for 90mil, nothing crazy in Verrati's price

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Basing on youtube he does but honestly youtube can be very tricky...
Anyway I have a good feeling about this Orsolini guy
Me too, same feeling I have about Schick, These two WC in making
 

Salvo

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I think the most important thing we need to do, be it with players bought (we need a hand) or tactically, is not have a game plan that relies on our wingers and second striker playing sacrificing themselves all game with defensive duties. Pressing is important but we cant rely on attackers to compensate our weak midfield, this isnt to say the players we have are shit but rather that we need more balance. Sure the way we played against Barca was great because everyone fought but also everyone was at 100 percent, we cant rely on this. Dybala needs to focus on doing what he does best creating and scoring, he needs freedom. Higuain needs to stay up forward and not need to chase down their defenders and mids. Mandzukic will do it anyway but that needs to be a bonus, not something that our game plan relies on.

We need to find balance in the midfield once again, this is why im not a huge fan of the current formation as is and I dont see how we can rectify it without changing back to 3 in the midfield.


Also quality wingers are expensive as fuck and really there arent that many attainable targets that would make much of a difference.

Dybala drifts to the right all the time and he often does well out there, he needs that freedom, he cant chase down all game.

a 4-3-2-1 is what id go for
 

zizinho

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Apr 14, 2013
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wtf are you talking about?

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:lol: we'll be lucky to even get 10 given his age

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I must be the only one here who isn't hyped over verratti, sure hes a good player but he is not close to a 100 mill, in fact I wouldn't go over 50 and thats just being generous given his injuries issues, again he's skipped out on the azzurri qualifiers. Id sooner get someone like fabinho and have change for another good player, hell for 100 mill we'd be better off getting James and Fabinho
James and Fabinho would be 120M

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Remember, you dont pay for resale value but for quality. Alves is a 50M player
 
Jul 20, 2012
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I think the most important thing we need to do, be it with players bought (we need a hand) or tactically, is not have a game plan that relies on our wingers and second striker playing sacrificing themselves all game with defensive duties. Pressing is important but we cant rely on attackers to compensate our weak midfield, this isnt to say the players we have are $#@! but rather that we need more balance. Sure the way we played against Barca was great because everyone fought but also everyone was at 100 percent, we cant rely on this. Dybala needs to focus on doing what he does best creating and scoring, he needs freedom. Higuain needs to stay up forward and not need to chase down their defenders and mids. Mandzukic will do it anyway but that needs to be a bonus, not something that our game plan relies on.

We need to find balance in the midfield once again, this is why im not a huge fan of the current formation as is and I dont see how we can rectify it without changing back to 3 in the midfield.


Also quality wingers are expensive as $#@! and really there arent that many attainable targets that would make much of a difference.

Dybala drifts to the right all the time and he often does well out there, he needs that freedom, he cant chase down all game.

a 4-3-2-1 is what id go for
I totally agree. Given our targets who would you line up behind higuain and in midfield?
 

Salvo

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Dec 17, 2007
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I totally agree. Given our targets who would you line up behind higuain and in midfield?
I posted in the build your juve thread

Not even sure it would work
The point is though that we need to move away from this formation if we want the best out of Higuain and Dybala IMO

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Jvcro

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May 11, 2017
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I totally agree. Given our targets who would you line up behind higuain and in midfield?
If we would play formation with player behind striker what depends on Cuadrado form(if we bring new player like that) that would probably be Dybala. And to me look better on that position then as a wing.

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I suspect that Allegri will make some big changes compare to this season. I think that would be again rotation of 3412 and 4231. Allegri changed 352 in two formations he like to play. We had more then good season. And there is no reason for him to do experiments with some again new things and I think he dont even want to do it.
 

MikeM

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Sep 21, 2008
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It remains difficult to fit both Higuain and Dybala perfectly together. Their best fit is in a 3-5-2 but the rest of the team suffers a bit as we've seen with that formation.

Next you would have to say probably a 4-4-2, but you would need better flank players to utilize Higuain to his best capacity.

After that, I have actually been intrigued by the 3-4-2-1 because it seemed to give us a superiority in midfield. We had basically 6 players in midfield with this formation and it made it really difficult for teams to shift their defensive lines laterally because Alves or Alex Sandro would always have acres of space if we switched play (it destroyed Monaco's 4-4-2). However, it requires really strong CM play and we don't have that right now.

The 3-4-2-1 still offers Dybala the option to receive a ball behind the defense or just in front, and that is optimal for him. It also allows him to drift wide.

The 4-2-3-1, where Dybala drops way deep as a CAM is not an option for me anymore. I don't think he can play that position.

I really don't know what the best answer is.
 

Jvcro

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May 11, 2017
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It remains difficult to fit both Higuain and Dybala perfectly together. Their best fit is in a 3-5-2 but the rest of the team suffers a bit as we've seen with that formation.

Next you would have to say probably a 4-4-2, but you would need better flank players to utilize Higuain to his best capacity.

After that, I have actually been intrigued by the 3-4-2-1 because it seemed to give us a superiority in midfield. We had basically 6 players in midfield with this formation and it made it really difficult for teams to shift their defensive lines laterally because Alves or Alex Sandro would always have acres of space if we switched play (it destroyed Monaco's 4-4-2). However, it requires really strong CM play and we don't have that right now.

I really don't know what the best answer is.
352 is formation from Conte what he hold some time because he dont want to shake players with making so fast big changes. He choose after some time two formations what he as a coach want to play. Result of that is final of champions league and double. We didnt play ever with him one game 442. Why he would spend so much time to adapt team on that with also no garantee of success?
 

Osman

Koul Khara!
Aug 30, 2002
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What's with this constant clinging on Iniesta lately?


Not gonna happen. Genial player, but enough is enough, we need to look forward, have enough 30 plus players, our next leading CM or creative AM needs to be atleast under 30 and not nearly mid 30s.

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If we signed Verratti, we'd need to change formation. Allegri was concerned about Marchisio not being aerial enough to play with Pjanic so he switched to a back 3. With Verratti, it becomes a midfield 3 I think.

-------------Higuain-------Dybala-------------
---------------------James---------------------
---------Pjanic------------------Verratti-------
---------------------N'Zonzi--------------------
Sandro---Chiellini-------Bonucci----Alves-----
 

Jvcro

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May 11, 2017
384
Some here like every player who is unhappy in current team immediately replace to Juventus. They could not even want to come here, can be too expensive, can be not Allegri type of player, some other team can give better offer. Will be better to talk about that at least a little bit realistic.
 

Jvcro

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May 11, 2017
384
Just no 3-5-2 ever again. Please. I hate this formation from the bottom of my heart. $#@! this formation.
He obviously dont want to play it anymore because he choose to change it and after we didnt once played it. He just some time respect formation what players used to play with previous coach.
 
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