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Osman

Koul Khara!
Aug 30, 2002
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Someone remind me again why we sold Soulé for €25m and are currently looking to spend €35m for his replacement

Because of short term financial gains for this current calendar years profit margins. Next Gen players we got for nothing and who has virtually no amortisation cost over the years with his cheap salary, selling him counts as pure profit of 22m (unlike if we sold an Arthur or Chiesa who have much higher amortisation costs).


While if we sign someone outright for 20-30m, we not paying that in one go, most likely 6-8m cost only for this calendar year. Or these few million cost loans with obligation fee in few years.


So basically a pure profit of 22m for Soule and the other 70m of sales we gotten this summer on next gen players and Kean, can go to saving our incredibly weak and barebones financial state. The idea is spread this profit you get on a Soule to 2-3 different transfers that will only cost us 7-8m range for this calendar year only.

They not likely operating with the full transfers fees in mind for purchases this summer, but only accounting for a smaller amount of it for this year, and they will spread the main portion of the transfer fees in future years and worry about it then for each calendar year.


In short: For us we may ask why sell 25m and buy a replacement for 30m. But for them it's 22m profit in book value sale, and the transfer we getting in for 30m will only count for 6-7m of it this year.

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Very good question. We deserve an answer. And not the "Sears installment plan" one.
The installment plan one is exactly why they doing it lol
 

TheLaz

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Oct 6, 2011
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Because of short term financial gains for this current calendar years profit margins. Next Gen players we got for nothing and who has virtually no amortisation cost over the years with his cheap salary, selling him counts as pure profit of 22m (unlike if we sold an Arthur or Chiesa who have much higher amortisation costs).


While if we sign someone outright for 20-30m, we not paying that in one go, most likely 6-8m cost only for this calendar year. Or these few million cost loans with obligation fee in few years.


So basically a pure profit of 22m for Soule and the other 70m of sales we gotten this summer on next gen players and Kean, can go to saving our incredibly weak and barebones financial state. The idea is spread this profit you get on a Soule to 2-3 different transfers that will only cost us 7-8m range for this calendar year only.

They not likely operating with the full transfers fees in mind for purchases this summer, but only accounting for a smaller amount of it for this year, and they will spread the main portion of the transfer fees in future years and worry about it then for each calendar year.


In short: For us we may ask why sell 25m and buy a replacement for 30m. But for them it's 22m profit in book value sale, and the transfer we getting in for 30m will only count for 6-7m of it this year.

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The installment plan one is exactly why they doing it lol
Did Roma pay all this money in a single installment? Or did they pay us in multiple installments? Or does that even matter ie when you refer to the financial gains for this calendar year do you mean in terms of financial fairplay? Genuine question because I thought Roma would pay us in installements and so we'd only receive (€8m? 10m?) for Soule this summer
 

Osman

Koul Khara!
Aug 30, 2002
61,503
Did Roma pay all this money in a single installment? Or did they pay us in multiple installments? Or does that even matter ie when you refer to the financial gains for this calendar year do you mean in terms of financial fairplay? Genuine question because I thought Roma would pay us in installements and so we'd only receive (€8m? 10m?) for Soule this summer

Yeah exactly. What we count on paper and when we get it is not necessarily linked for sales. We will most likely get paid the sum over time if that's agreed, the norm in Italy and alot of top leagues. Unless it's expressively demanded to pay all upfront (release clauses).


But for our book keeping and accounting, we count it as we getting paid in this calendar year. On paper we gotten the funds already and accounting for it as profit, even if in real time it takes a while. It's the norm most likely.


@italiacalcio10 is the accounting expert and can explain it better. I'm just saying the basic gist of how it seems so far.
 

TheLaz

Senior Member
Oct 6, 2011
5,540
Yeah exactly. What we count on paper and when we get it is not necessarily linked for sales. We will most likely get paid the sum over time if that's agreed, the norm in Italy and alot of top leagues. Unless it's expressively demanded to pay all upfront (release clauses).


But for our book keeping and accounting, we count it as we getting paid in this calendar year. On paper we gotten the funds already and accounting for it as profit, even if in real time it takes a while. It's the norm most likely.


@italiacalcio10 is the accounting expert and can explain it better. I'm just saying the basic gist of how it seems so far.
Thanks for clarifying
 

Bjerknes

"Top Economist"
Mar 16, 2004
116,234
The installment plan one is exactly why they doing it lol
We all understand the accounting tricks. But there's other players we could sell if we wanted to. We could have sold Bremer for 70M for instance. Not saying we should though. If we sold Bremer would we just have to accept it because they did it?

At the end of the day, we sold Soule to help fund Douglas Luiz. That's what it really boils down to. In the long run, Luiz will cost us 30M net after the other players went to Aston Villa, so we basically traded three young players away for him.

Would the result be different if we regarded Soule as a better talent than he might be? Probably not, because regardless of who is in charge here, we always up selling or loaning young players. It's just what we do. I wouldn't be surprised if we ended up selling Yildiz next summer too. Interchange his name with Guler and it would be the same result as well. So the morale of the story is, it doesn't matter to many of us what the financing ramifications are. People are sick of this nonsense year after year.

We spent a lot on Douglas Luiz and he better put in consistent, world class performances, otherwise he will cost us huge in the long run.
 

Bianconero81

Ageing Veteran
Jan 26, 2009
40,177
So just to sum it up, we’ve had positive talks and even positive feelings during today’s positive meetings.
It's all about good vibes, even if the deals don't materialize.

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Rugani, Chiesa, Mckennie, and others shall be set free.

#Justice4JJPrisoners
Poor Prisoners earning millions, eating the best food, and banging the hottest chicks.

Those unfortunate prisoners you mention are either injury prone, not good enough, or greedy mofos with unrealistic expectations. Womp Womp.

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Watch us fight the Arabs to sign him.

And lose.
Say Inshallah Brother.

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#Juventus snatched from Spain the forward of the future: Ivan #LopezComellas, born in 2007, coming from #DeportivoAlaves. He will play with the Primavera: ongoing medical visit. #calciomercato [Giovanni Albanese]
Epic Joketoli is out there securing forwards of the future while our present squad is left with gaping holes and the season is 3 days away.
 

RKid1

Senior Member
Jun 29, 2020
838
I'm in my 30s and even I know who all 3 of those guys are. They move the needle with kids. If you can be affiliated with them (and Prime), it's a good thing for marketing.

I got zero problems with this.

Hell, I'd try to sell "Prime" t-shirts and gear on the website in Juventus colors, and as many Juventus Prime bottles as possible.
 
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