Summer Mercato season 2024-25 (70 Viewers)

[kappa96]

No Chiesa doesn't deserve it.
What he actually deserves is a lower salary for trying to take advantage of the club by leveraging his euro 2024 performances especially if we offered him an extension at same salary back in December .

 

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[Ronn]

No Chiesa doesn't deserve it.
What he actually deserves is a lower salary for trying to take advantage of the club by leveraging his euro 2024 performances especially if we offered him an extension at same salary back in December .

But you and I deserve to watch Weah?

 

[Lion]

Go back and read my posts again. I said Mckennie and Tek will leave before the window shuts.

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that was not agreement:

@Xperd @Lion Avatar and title bets. I'll be your moderator. If both McKennie and Tek gets sold, Xperd wins. If neither gets sold Lion wins. If only one gets sold, the house wins and I'll choose both your avatars for a month. I'll let you guys keep your titles as I am a generous mod.

Edit: To make things more interesting, transfer ban during the January window for the loser.

i accept. but i am so confident that both mckennie and woj won't get sold by end of this summer window i am willing to also get a 2 month ban from sep 1

unlike xperd i stand behind my words

 

[Alin]

We're downsizing everybody's contract. And he wants a raise...

As far as we know, Rabiot was given the same high salary as before, which was dumb... And that probably led Chiesa to his demands.

Vlahovic is supposedly his best friend in Juve squad and look at how much he is earning now despite many periods of inconsistency and unavailability… Chiesa is someone who backs himself up and knows that he can have just as much of an impact as him if not more in the current squad, i think that might be a driving factor too behind his demands.

 

[Robee]

Bad planning again. You can’t solve all problems in one year and Dusan is going to keep earning 12m until 2026. You gotta realize the position you’re in and plan accordingly. Now Chiesa will sit on the stands for one year while you enjoy the spectacle of Weah.

Dusan refused our extension proposals. Has been postponed 'till after the mercato. If he keeps refusing, he's probably gone next summer.

We didn't try to solve everything in one year. I wouldn't blame it on the planning (again). Chiesa is being a dick here and Giuntoli should've released Rabiot instantaneously.

 

[kappa96]

But you and I deserve to watch Weah?

I know I don't deserve to watch mercenaries .
So I will watch Weah and he is going to watch Weah just like me and next year he is going to accept a 3.5 to 4.5 salary and be great ful for it.

 

[Robee]

Vlahovic is supposedly his best friend in Juve squad and look at how much he is earning now despite many periods of inconsistency and unavailability… Chiesa is someone who backs himself up and knows that he can have just as much of an impact as him if not more in the current squad, i think that might be a driving factor too behind his demands.

Vlahovic knows he's next if he doesn't agree. He's lucky he has an extra year on his deal or he would've been ousted as well.

 

[Ronn]

Dusan refused our extension proposals. Has been postponed 'till after the mercato. If he keeps refusing, he's probably gone next summer.

We didn't try to solve everything in one year. I wouldn't blame it on the planning (again). Chiesa is being a dick here and Giuntoli should've released Rabiot instantaneously.

I’m sure you won’t. And Dusan with this salary won’t go anywhere. He’ll leave at the end of his contract. Or perhaps he’ll sign an extension with slightly less salary but significantly higher than what he can earn on his own. In both situations Juventus will be the loser.
Please do tell me with 5 days remaining to the beginning of the season how many actual wingers we have and how we got here.

 

[Xperd]

that was not agreement:

Too many GK's Yes bro, we are fielding a starting eleven full of GK's... What has Lion done to you guys



Here are some facts:

-We have the same amount of defenders as last season. Alex Sandro is the only that has departed and he's been replaced by Kabal.



-We have the same amount of wingers as last season. If Chiesa and Kostic depart, they'll be replaced by two wingers.



-We have pretty much the same amount of midfielders as last season. Fagiot, Hans and soon Mckennie will be leaving and they will be replaced by Luiz, Thuram and Koopmeiners.



-We have one less striker compared to last season and one extra keeper. That extra keeper is our starting GK and our starting keeper from last season will depart by the end of the window. Anyone that considers Pinsoglio a legit GK should just stop posting tbh.



There's still 19 days left in the market. If we fail to get Koopmeiners and we don't resolve Chiesa and the winger situation in time, there's obviously a cause for concern but all these panic stricken posts of calling Giuntoli a fraud especially when the team hasn't played a single competitive minute is premature to say the least.

You accused me of not standing by my words. I stood by it. No technicalities involved here.

Besides we are saving money by getting rid of him so we can pretty much consider this a 'sale'

 

[Alin]

Vlahovic knows he's next if he doesn't agree. He's lucky he has an extra year on his deal or he would've been ousted as well.

I know, but that’s not really going to matter in that context because even if Vlahovic eventually renews on lower wages it would still be more than what Chiesa is currently on/being offered.

 

[AFL_ITALIA]

McKennie, Chiesa, Rugani, Tek
I’m sensing a pattern here with how Giuntoli is trying to get them to leave.

We're downsizing everybody's contract. And he wants a raise...

As far as we know, Rabiot was given the same high salary as before, which was dumb... And probably led Chiesa to his demands.

Exactly, and the former doesn't make sense when you consider the latter. He's not making Dybala demands or to be the highest paid player or anything, it just really doesn't make sense to me. These days, no one is going to accept a pay decrease for the good of a company, I know we wouldn't.

And why does he deserve it?

You wouldn't give two fucks about him if he did not have an Italian passport. Your bias is very evident.

Deserve? Who gives a shit about deserve? Do you sit down at the end of the year with your employer and say "gee whittakers, I surely don't deserve a raise this year." You're removing the human element from this and that's when things start to not make sense.

He also happens to be our best attacking player. He's fun to watch and could change a game, literally no one else that we have currently can do that. The last one was Dybala, whom I also loved. That was understandable with Dybala's demands, but we're clearly worse off without him, and we're about to do the same thing but for a relatively miniscule amount of money.

And so what if I wouldn't? This is an Italian club in Italy, that has a history of striving to build a core (obviously not the whole squad) out of the best Italian players. I like seeing that, Italians with Juventus, Germans with Bayern, English with United, etc. It gives clubs different identities on the pitch, different styles of play and ideas. I think we lost something as a sport as it became more globalized.

 

[Lion]

juve is so generous. letting rabiot, woj leave on frees

mckennie probably next to leave on contract termination. such a genrous club. it must be becuase they have lots of money right?

 

[Ronn]

I know I don't deserve to watch mercenaries .
So I will watch Weah and he is going to watch Weah just like me and next year he is going to accept a 3.5 to 4.5 salary and be great ful for it.

Good luck. We’re not looking at this the same way so no point discussing it any further.

 

[Lion]

kalulu and cabal and weah as starters

refusing wage increase for star players?

asking players to take pay cuts?

is this juve or udinese?

 

[Mokku]

Chiesa is trying a Dybala move and given how that failed, Chiesa and agent are pretty stupid. Same for Rabiot, I can't see anyone rushing for his services given his wage demands. Dybala could at least boast some goals and assists, but Chiesa ain't done shit. Rabiot might get a decent team, but not that salary. We stuck with Chiesa with his injuries, he owes us some good performances. As for Vlahovic, he owes a shit ton of goals or he can go to Brentford or Fulham.

The smart players will use Juventus as a platform to success and hopefully some trophies. Luiz and Thuram seems to understand the opportunity given to them, Soulé did too and I expect them to shine (sadly at Roma for Soulé). Time to really think about the characters we want to sign and for the long term.

 

[cimenk]

I know, but that’s not really going to matter in that context because even if Vlahovic eventually renews on lower wages it would still be more than what Chiesa is currently on/being offered.

Vlahovic's contract is because he is signed with our previous management. It doesnt mean if we already have issue and the goal is to lower the wage bill and be sustainable (revenue > cost) that we should increase Chiesa's salary near Vlahovic's salary so it become fair.

If Chiesa believe that he can get the contract he wants, he could look elsewhere.

 

[Lion]

Time to really think about the characters we want to sign and for the long term.

perhaps a new goalie. maybe a goalie who can score headers?

 

[cimenk]

juve is so generous. letting rabiot, woj leave on frees

mckennie probably next to leave on contract termination. such a genrous club. it must be becuase they have lots of money right?

Szczesny annual cost is around €13.6m between gross salary and amortization cost (which will be 8 years since he joined in 2017 until 2025).

If his ammortization is €2.4m and his gross salary €12.2m, what matters is the severance pay he agreed. for example if it was €4m gross so total €6.4m, we still could save €7.2m.

So all depends on the agreed payment between Tek and Juve to end the contract

 

[Lion]

Szczesny annual cost is around €13.6m between gross salary and amortization cost (which will be 8 years since he joined in 2017 until 2025).

If his ammortization is €2.4m and his gross salary €12.2m, what matters is the severance pay he agreed. for example if it was €4m gross so total €6.4m, we still could save €7.2m.

So all depends on the agreed payment between Tek and Juve to end the contract

when will details get released? juve publicly traded company so all financials should be available soon. do you think they give this sort of info in quarterly reports?

 

[Xperd]

Exactly, and the former doesn't make sense when you consider the latter. He's not making Dybala demands or to be the highest paid player or anything, it just really doesn't make sense to me. These days, no one is going to accept a pay decrease for the good of a company, I know we wouldn't.


Deserve? Who gives a shit about deserve? Do you sit down at the end of the year with your employer and say "gee whittakers, I surely don't deserve a raise this year." You're removing the human element from this and that's when things start to not make sense.

He also happens to be our best attacking player. He's fun to watch and could change a game, literally no one else that we have currently can do that. The last one was Dybala, whom I also loved. That was understandable with Dybala's demands, but we're clearly worse off without him, and we're about to do the same thing but for a relatively miniscule amount of money.

And so what if I wouldn't? This is an Italian club in Italy, that has a history of striving to build a core (obviously not the whole squad) out of the best Italian players. I like seeing that, Italians with Juventus, Germans with Bayern, English with United, etc. It gives clubs different identities on the pitch, different styles of play and ideas. I think we lost something as a sport as it became more globalized.

Getting rid of Chiesa doesn't mean we are losing that identity. JJ obviously should have a strong core of top Italian players but there is no basis for Chiesa deserving a raise based on what he's shown over the past couple of years.

Best attacking player is subjective when the attack as a whole hasn't really performed to their standards.

Sorry dude, but you guys love to mask his poor performances by pinning it on Allegri but don't hesitate to bash players like Rabiot who objectively speaking has been more useful than Chiesa in the past couple of seasons.

Funny enough, Rabiot is seen as a cunt for using the club as a leverage to get a better contract elsewhere, meanwhile Chiesa is doing the EXACT same thing, but nah, Chiesa is Italian so by default he should be your typical humble, loyal Italian player.

I hate this narrative of glorifying loyalty of Italian players over foreign players. On an average, yes, you can expect Italians to be more loyal to an Italian club(also because there aren't many great Italian players these days), but it's still a bit of an unfair generalization imo.