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Catenaccio

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i dont think Thuram is better than Koop but i want him more. Please get him! (I want koop too btw)

Koop
Luiz
Fagioli
Thuram
Locatelli
would need one more, maybe Adzic? Nonge?


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Holm is perfect for Mottas system btw
Thuram is not an alternative to Koopmeiners….. he is an alternative to Rabiot who is looking most likely not to sign a new contract with us.
 

cimenk

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Jul 23, 2008
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i dont think Thuram is better than Koop but i want him more. Please get him! (I want koop too btw)

Koop
Luiz
Fagioli
Thuram
Locatelli
would need one more, maybe Adzic? Nonge?


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Holm is perfect for Mottas system btw
Why Holm is perfect ? Because the time Holm coached in Spezia ?
How did he perform at Atalanta ? Atalanta dont exercise the option to buy
 

Catenaccio

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Koop
Thuram-Luiz​

Too good to be true
By my calcs, Thuram will cost us the same between gross salary and amortization than what Rabiot was costing us. The reason why Rabiot wants a much bigger salary is partly down to tax by the way. He was a beneficiary of the special tax treatment to lure players from foreign leagues (Ronaldo had this and a few others). Meloni scrapped this scheme. It means that Rabiot's average tax rate goes from 24% to 46% - meaning his net salary goes from 7m to 5m. The fact that he was asking, what 8-9m? That would mean our gross payment to him would go from 9.2m to ~15.5m.

By comparison, K. Thuram is currently only getting paid 0.5m net at Nice. If we paid him 2m net, it would quadruple his salary and his gross salary would therefore be 3.7m. Transfermkt values him at 35m - but with only 1 year left on his contract, you would think we could get him sub 30m. Assuming 30m, he would cost us 6m a year in amortization - so his total cost would be equal to what Rabiot used to cost us and he is still 23 years old.

So in theory, if we caved to his demands, it would be equivalent to buying 2 K Thurams.

Not sure how relevant this is, but even the great Luciano Moggi rates him highly.

However, in order to make a financially sustainable transfer market you need to make sure your player costs in gross terms doesn't change much and you can add the many plusvulenzas we are making. We will easily turn a big profit if we sell the likes of Soule, Iling and Barrenechea for instance. The biggest issue though is cash. At the December half we only had cash of 25m and debt of 330-340m (or net debt of around 305-315m) against equity of only 74m. I can make the numbers work easily on the P&L with the transfers we are making - but Juve will need some form of cash injection because many of the players we are offloading are not netting us much cash against what we intend to spend on new player transfer fees - unless we can spread the payments over many years.
 
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Robee

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By my calcs, Thuram will cost us the same between gross salary and amortization than what Rabiot was costing us. The reason why Rabiot wants a much bigger salary is partly down to tax by the way. He was a beneficiary of the special tax treatment to lure players from foreign leagues (Ronaldo had this and a few others). Meloni scrapped this scheme. It means that Rabiot's average tax rate goes from 24% to 46% - meaning his net salary goes from 7m to 5m. The fact that he was asking, what 8-9m? That would mean our gross payment to him would go from 9.2m to ~15.5m.

By comparison, K. Thuram is currently only getting paid 0.5m net at Nice. If we paid him 2m net, it would quadruple his salary and his gross salary would therefore be 3.7m. Transfermkt values him at 35m - but with only 1 year left on his contract, you would think we could get him sub 30m. Assuming 30m, he would cost us 6m a year in amortization - so his total cost would be equal to what Rabiot used to cost us and he is still 23 years old.

So in theory, if we caved to his demands, it would be equivalent to buying 2 K Thurams.

Not sure how relevant this is, but even the great Luciano Moggi rates him highly.

However, in order to make a financially sustainable transfer market you need to make sure your player costs in gross terms doesn't change much and you can add the many plusvulenzas we are making. We will easily turn a big profit if we sell the likes of Soule, Iling and Barrenechea for instance. The biggest issue though is cash. At the December half we only had cash of 25m and debt of 330-340m (or net debt of around 305-315m) against equity of only 74m. I can make the numbers work easily on the P&L with the transfers we are making - but Juve will need some form of cash injection because many of the players we are offloading are not netting us much cash against what we intend to spend on new player transfer fees - unless we can spread the payments over many years.
Nope. Rabiot would continue to fall under the preferential tax law. Only new guys coming in, drop out.
 

DanielSz

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Sep 6, 2014
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Thuram is not an alternative to Koopmeiners….. he is an alternative to Rabiot who is looking most likely not to sign a new contract with us.
i didnt say he was, i said i liked him more.

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Why Holm is perfect ? Because the time Holm coached in Spezia ?
How did he perform at Atalanta ? Atalanta dont exercise the option to buy
because hes defensive minded, and motta likes to play his FBs as CBs
 

Orgut

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Dec 31, 2002
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i didnt say he was, i said i liked him more.

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because hes defensive minded, and motta likes to play his FBs as CBs
Might be a cheaper alternative to Di Lorenzo (who despite being Williams bitch yesterday I still rate).
That being said - Why arent we even enquiring about Kayode - He seems like a fast player with talent and extremely young so lots of room for improvement.

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i dont think Thuram is better than Koop but i want him more. Please get him! (I want koop too btw)

Koop
Luiz
Fagioli
Thuram
Locatelli
would need one more, maybe Adzic? Nonge?


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Holm is perfect for Mottas system btw
Didnt see Thuram at all this past season - How was he this past season?
Rabiot - Rabiot is a good all around player for me who dont excel at anything, I wouldnt mind Rabiot on half his desired contract but these high wages for players who didnt really earn it must stop.

Vlahovic was another mistake in that sense even if I still believe in him.
 

DanielSz

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Sep 6, 2014
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Might be a cheaper alternative to Di Lorenzo (who despite being Williams bitch yesterday I still rate).
That being said - Why arent we even enquiring about Kayode - He seems like a fast player with talent and extremely young so lots of room for improvement.

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Didnt see Thuram at all this past season - How was he this past season?
Rabiot - Rabiot is a good all around player for me who dont excel at anything, I wouldnt mind Rabiot on half his desired contract but these high wages for players who didnt really earn it must stop.

Vlahovic was another mistake in that sense even if I still believe in him.
I didn’t really watch thuram this season either, but i did watch him last season. I think he’s more of an offensive minded mid, very good at making forward runs with the ball. And he’s still relatively young, so there’s upside. I view him as a fringe starter at a big club, with the potential for more. For around 20M that’d be a good investment imo. I think we should move on from Rabiot. The fact he hasnt made his mind up tells me Juve is a backup option. Fuck that.

Kayode would be great, maybe Fiorentina doesn’t wanna sell yet. I haven’t seen him connected anywhere really.
 

DanielSz

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Sep 6, 2014
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Napoli are beginning to make a move for Weston McKennie, Manna knows everything about Weston, Conte wanted him at Inter when Juve then took him from Schalke. For Giuntoli, the only solution remains a permanent transfer. (@LaStampa)

Thank you Manna:giu:
 
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