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Catenaccio

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Jul 15, 2002
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Wow that is expensive. Values the player at 60m.

However, it may have been in the interests of both clubs to inflate the value of all of the players. McKennie's value is inflated to 30m and Iling Junior at 15m is also inflated.

Aston Villa needs the big capital gain to avoid FFP and is willing to pay an inflated figure for the players in exchange knowing full well nobody would have paid 60m for luiz on their own.

From our perspective....

McKennie was costing us 8m a year in gross salary and amortizations. His sale of 30m nets us a capital gain of 25m against his book value.

Iling Junior was costing us only 1m a year in gross salary and amortizations. His sale of 15m, is a capital gain of 14.5m against his book value.

The 2 players net us one off capital gains of ~40m and ongoing savings of 9m a year.

Luiz is rumored to get a NET salary of 4.5m a year or 8.3m in gross salary. His amortization assuming its a 5 year deal will be very big at 12m per year. So his annual cost will be 20m a year to the accounts.

So one off gains of 40m but net ongoing additional costs of 11m a year. But replacing Tek with Gregorio, makes it closer to even.
 

Espectro

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Jul 12, 2002
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Wow that is expensive. Values the player at 60m.

However, it may have been in the interests of both clubs to inflate the value of all of the players. McKennie's value is inflated to 30m and Iling Junior at 15m is also inflated.

Aston Villa needs the big capital gain to avoid FFP and is willing to pay an inflated figure for the players in exchange knowing full well nobody would have paid 60m for luiz on their own.

From our perspective....

McKennie was costing us 8m a year in gross salary and amortizations. His sale of 30m nets us a capital gain of 25m against his book value.

Iling Junior was costing us only 1m a year in gross salary and amortizations. His sale of 15m, is a capital gain of 14.5m against his book value.

The 2 players net us one off capital gains of ~40m and ongoing savings of 9m a year.

Luiz is rumored to get a NET salary of 4.5m a year or 8.3m in gross salary. His amortization assuming its a 5 year deal will be very big at 12m per year. So his annual cost will be 20m a year to the accounts.

So one off gains of 40m but net ongoing additional costs of 11m a year. But replacing Tek with Gregorio, makes it closer to even.
Mods, Please delete this post before someone from FIGC see it…
 

.zero

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Aug 8, 2006
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1 - Comparing signing Carnesecchi to Buffon in any way is just silly. Buffon was a proven superstar already. Carnesecchi is just a good talent, but not even a top keeper in Serie A, much less the world.

2 - There is no "long term" planning in football nowadays unless you're an elite level destination club. There is too much turnover. Look at the amount of young players who have come and gone through Juventus over the past 6-7 years that were supposed to be cornerstone players moving forward and left. I'm not saying dont invest in young, talented players (especially Italians), but I'm not counting on any of these guys to be here long term.
I was comparing based on relative price point. I’m not in the business of crowning every paisan as the next Italian legend unlike most Jj fans my guy.
 

radekas

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Aug 26, 2009
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Wow that is expensive. Values the player at 60m.

However, it may have been in the interests of both clubs to inflate the value of all of the players. McKennie's value is inflated to 30m and Iling Junior at 15m is also inflated.

Aston Villa needs the big capital gain to avoid FFP and is willing to pay an inflated figure for the players in exchange knowing full well nobody would have paid 60m for luiz on their own.

From our perspective....

McKennie was costing us 8m a year in gross salary and amortizations. His sale of 30m nets us a capital gain of 25m against his book value.

Iling Junior was costing us only 1m a year in gross salary and amortizations. His sale of 15m, is a capital gain of 14.5m against his book value.

The 2 players net us one off capital gains of ~40m and ongoing savings of 9m a year.

Luiz is rumored to get a NET salary of 4.5m a year or 8.3m in gross salary. His amortization assuming its a 5 year deal will be very big at 12m per year. So his annual cost will be 20m a year to the accounts.

So one off gains of 40m but net ongoing additional costs of 11m a year. But replacing Tek with Gregorio, makes it closer to even.
 

Catenaccio

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Jul 15, 2002
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The values are consistent with tramsfermkt values so nobody can accuse either side of inflating the numbers but it just so happens that they are above what the I believe the true market value would have been.
 

DanielSz

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Sep 6, 2014
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#DouglasLuiz to #Juventus : tonight contact for the latest financial agreements on the salary, the Brazilian enthusiastic. #Juventus hopes to invest a figure between 17 and 18 million, therefore under 20, plus the fees of #McKennie and #Iling . And then…

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morals aside, how does greenwood fit Motta better than Chiesa/Soule? Genuine question
 

Xperd

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Jun 1, 2012
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#DouglasLuiz to #Juventus : tonight contact for the latest financial agreements on the salary, the Brazilian enthusiastic. #Juventus hopes to invest a figure between 17 and 18 million, therefore under 20, plus the fees of #McKennie and #Iling . And then…

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morals aside, how does greenwood fit Motta better than Chiesa/Soule? Genuine question
I think we're in the market for a right winger and Soulé definitely fits in Motta's system but my feeling is they're looking to cash in on him. Ideally I would prefer keeping him.

Before someone suggests Chiesa on the right, forget about it, that's not happening.
 

ilmetronome

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Sep 16, 2020
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The values are consistent with tramsfermkt values so nobody can accuse either side of inflating the numbers but it just so happens that they are above what the I believe the true market value would have been.
The problem for Juve is more of Juve status as a listing company in stockmarket
AFAIK we get penalized last seasson and not Napoli for Osmimhen deal because only us that listing in stockmarket
CONSOB stated that we shouldn't record unusual inflated plusvalenza from swapping player, that is way beyond book value
Even without listing, ongoing investigation for nainggolan transfer, if go through, should be a big sign to worry for this kind of deal

In terms of football, it's good deal. But off the field, it start to worry me.
 
Jun 16, 2020
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Dettagli del trasferimento di Douglas Luiz alla Juventus:

Douglas Luiz valutato a 65M€
Weston McKennie valutato a 20M€
Samuel Iling-Junior valutato a 25M€
La Juventus aggiungerà 20M€ in contanti

[Fabrizio Romano]

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^other sources say that we’ll pay 17/18m.
 

Akshen

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Aug 27, 2010
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Dettagli del trasferimento di Douglas Luiz alla Juventus:

Douglas Luiz valutato a 65M€
Weston McKennie valutato a 20M€
Samuel Iling-Junior valutato a 25M€
La Juventus aggiungerà 20M€ in contanti

[Fabrizio Romano]

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^other sources say that we’ll pay 17/18m.
Moretto reported that his wages will be 6-7m net, others say 4.5m
 
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