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    It basically means you direct your "-OTM" in a dedicated thread, instead of the player thread


    As a lazy slob, thats how you do it. Hence if i could close topics, i'd do it myself!
    I don,t post often on OTM.

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    Like with any club. If FV wants out of Palermo, they'll sell him, Zamp always sells for the right price too.
    the right price won't be ours.
     

    Xperd

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    Would've been ok with Vasquez if Vidal hadn't been sold.
    Actually tend to think that's the general consensus here.
    I literally have no idea what we're going to do for the rest of the mercato session so I may as well keep quiet until mercato closes.
     

    zizinho

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    I see i made it too hard still. I'll try to explain from your faults.
    go on. try.

    You name 4 midfielders. I'm talking about the final third. In top games, there is no such thing as "and half our midfield is pushing up". You are the one complaining we are usually "static and not pushing forward", well thats part of beeing prudent with offensive runs and caring about position.
    you put words in my mouth. so not only do you adjust your story as how our targets change, but you also change what i said to adjust your story on it. nice, keep it up :tup:

    Fact is, yeah, we got quite a good 3cm midfield. Khedira is as good a passer as vidal. But thats it. Pereyra-dybala-moradzukic, thats nothing that naturally wants to ask the ball and keep it to distribute.
    1. Khedira is a better passer than Vidal.
    2. "thats nothing that naturally wants to ask the ball and keep it to distibute" - we dont need that, especially not from a Vazquez type static player, its that simple. you want that classic trequartista so bad that you would even take a player thats not good enough for us to have something we arent dependent on. Dybala is great at distributing the ball, Pogba too, and Marchisio from deep. Morata and mandzukic are excellent at creating space for others, which is something that will benefit Pereyra and Dybala mostly. but we dont need that ball distributor as badly as you try to present it, for whatever reason that is, since Vazquez seems very unlikely target at the moment.

    Mandzukic will want the ball in a position he can shoot/head or force his path into a shot
    i see youre not very familiar with some of Mandzukic qualities. the guy more often than not drops deep to collect the ball and distribute it to the wings and to then make a run into the box. a lot of the crosses that come to the box are the work of his distributing, he will definitely not wait for the service in the box. thats Llorente youre talking about.

    Morata will want the ball to make a run with it, to cross or shoot, he wont stand still and distribute
    Dybala is most excellent as a creative player that receives the ball and immediatly seeks out a teammate, OR is played trough the defence. He is NOT a playmaker that dwells on the ball, At palermo Vasquez did that.
    agree with both. what Dybala does is exactly what we need. what Vazquez does not really. Morata will often drift wide and force players put of position. this frees up a lot of space for our AM and SS. a static player like Vazquez would much less benefit of this than one like Pereyra or Dybala.

    So as it stands, we would have serious trouble getting the ball forward. Because there is no targetman or advanced playmaker.
    based on what you explained so far in your post? not really. we have a capable enough midfield to distribute the ball upfront, either its a Marchisio pass to Dybala who entered the central area, either its a Pogba run, or either its through the fullbacks with Mandzukic/Morata dropping deep and getting one into play.

    Pereyra doesnt fix this. He's a runner, he prefers to move into space and receive it there and run with the ball. A dribbeler and again, far from a playmaker.
    yes and as i demonstrated, we dont need a classic playmaker that much. why you think that we do need one, and that we would have trouble in case we dont get one, is what i dont understand. and you also wanted Draxler who is a dribbler. so how is he different than Pereyra? please explain.

    Vasquez however. Not the fastest but not a "llorente" like you make him (without having watched him). He however, can collect the ball and keep it to distribute it. In big games, this allows your 3 cm's to move forward as a unit, while having the imminent danger of playing dybala trough the defence, who can make an action and shoot or set morata alone in front of the goalkeeper.
    i ofcourse have watched him. i watched Palermo because of Dybala, noticed Vazquez then too. in big games, he will be invisible mostly, because if you dont move well, you get shut down quite easily these days.

    Remember that bloke Vucinic ? We were trash when he didnt play. Because, he was the only player that could actually hold a ball longer then 5 seconds up front. You really need that to move your midfield up as a unit when facing a tough opponent.
    are you comparing vazquez to Vucinic? quite weird. it seems youll say anything to fit your story. Vucinic played in a much different setup with different types of players. when your other striker is Matri/io/Quag, ofcourse the team will greatly depend on how Vucinic plays. most of our attacks went through him. but do we need Vucinic today? no we dont. because he doesent suit our paying style and is not good enough to start for us anymore. similar can be said about Vazquez.

    Remember how we got shafted vs bayern ? Well, that happens when you cant keep the ball in the team a second, and you cant just have players forced to go past excellent opponents when its not the right time, because there is no alternative.
    im gonna ask you a question and i hope the answer is no. do you think we would have been better with Vazquez that day? why other would you bring up the game against the best team of the last decade when we were missing 3 starters. seriously. and youre going too far with "we dont have players to keep the ball upfront", because we have. Dybala and Morata can both keep the ball and deliver a pass a teammate.

    its why tevez was so good aside his goals. He could keep the ball, and allowed us to position further. And its why we need that quality in a cam. Badly
    we already have that quality in Dybala and Morata as i said. they both arent on Tevez level but if you think Vazquez can make up for that then you have no clue what youre talking about. and we dont need that AM as badly as you say. we are fine as of now, if we get an AM it would be good ofcourse, but i wont go crying saying our season is screwed, we wont be able to distribute the ball, we cant keep the ball upfront if we dont get one.

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    Remember when Marotta said Vidal wouldn't be sold. Yeah, that's why it makes no sense to close threads.
    quote please

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    Yep.

    Gazzetta reported our final offer as being 15 million + 9 in bonuses and they rejected it.
    so we trust Gazzetta now? they have no clue what our offer was and if we will make a new one
     

    Pirlo's Beard

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    Dem Vasquez stats ffs :tuttosport:


    And yeah that's how I feel @The Cusp


    A lot of the players we're supposedly chasing would be fine if we never sold Vidal. But these players aren't even close to making the sale of a WC player acceptable
     
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    Dem Vasquez stats ffs :tuttosport:


    And yeah that's how I feel @The Cusp


    A lot of the players we're supposedly chasing would be fine if we never sold Vidal. But these players aren't even close to making the sale of a WC player acceptable
    In that shitty Italian Serie A championship comparable to La Liga Portugesa though. :anon:
     
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