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zizinho

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Even Oscar would disagree with you :lol:
Oscar is more efficient than Isco (8g 8a Oscar vs 6g 9a Isco) in almost 1000 less minutes played last season in a much more defensive orientated team than Real Madrid (Chelsea 93 goals EPL + CL last season vs Real 142 goals La Liga + CL last season). Isco is fancier, but id always take the more efficient player which is Oscar obviously

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Agresti: Isco costs too much, not for sale, working on Draxler.
THERE IS NO WAY we have had even 0.00000001% chance on signing Isco on any moment in this mercato for any price bellow 70M!!! we should stop mentioning him
 

Siamak

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Silva not creative :rofl:


http://eplindex.com/67970/top-chance-creators-since-2011-12-midfielders.html

2011-12 Season:




The above image represent all the midfielders in the Premier League that season, and if you click on the image you’ll see Alex Song is the player highlighted. Now he didn’t create the most chances or anything, but he signifies another important factor to consider when assessing chance creation: the through-ball. This is a crucial metric to consider on a football field, and not many players either try it, or are very successful with it. (The size of the circle represents the volume of through-balls each player has attempted – the other two elements are total passes, and total chances created.) The through-ball shows a player with the vision to split open up a defence, have the ultimate weight of pass to play in a striker and unlock that stubborn low defensive block (or parked bus).

Luka Modric, David Silva and Juan Mata:

These three players, especially Silva and Mata in the season described, had varying levels of through-ball attempts, but all created nearly 100 chances for their team-mates:

Silva: 102 chances created (77 through-balls)

Mata: 102 chances created (22 through-balls)

Modric: 95 chances created (36 through-balls)

You can play with the data yourself (from the previous four seasons) by clicking on this link, and by hovering the mouse over the player, you’ll see a breakdown for each player: Creativity in the Premier League
i didnt know anything about a player who has never mentioned as target when you want buy a player you should consider his age and his situation for building your team we cant invest on a player who has 29 yrs
You are right but its hard to believe that we go for buy him otherwise there would be enough rumours already
 

Cheesio

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Oscar is more efficient than Isco (8g 8a Oscar vs 6g 9a Isco) in almost 1000 less minutes played last season in a much more defensive orientated team than Real Madrid (Chelsea 93 goals EPL + CL last season vs Real 142 goals La Liga + CL last season). Isco is fancier, but id always take the more efficient player which is Oscar obviously

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THERE IS NO WAY we have had even 0.00000001% chance on signing Isco on any moment in this mercato for any price bellow 70M!!! we should stop mentioning him
I Disagree with you, i watched both players countless times, especially Isco and Oscar is nowhere near as good as talented as the spaniard. thats the difference between watching games and reading statistics.
 

zizinho

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I Disagree with you, i watched both players countless times, especially Isco and Oscar is nowhere near as good as talented as the spaniard. thats the difference between watching games and reading statistics.
so you disagree with obvious facts? Oscar being more efficient is obvious by taking a look at their stats. and i also watched both, you think you are the only one to watch them play?
 

Osman

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Aug 30, 2002
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i didnt know anything about a player who has never mentioned as target when you want buy a player you should consider his age and his situation for building your team we cant invest on a player who has 29 yrs
You are right but its hard to believe that we go for buy him otherwise there would be enough rumours already
Firstly, 29 is top prime age.


Secondly, no he isn't rumoured to us at all, but just a player that came up as topic. And your contribution was to say one of the most natural creative playmakers isn't a playmaker...
 

Cheesio

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so you disagree with obvious facts? Oscar being more efficient is obvious by taking a look at their stats. and i also watched both, you think you are the only one to watch them play?
ok so now stats tell the whole story, i could give you dozens of players who have better stats than both Oscar and Isco, by your logic they are better than them. Its not by chance that Isco is a highly rated young player in the world with Pogba and Oscar is an average player who doesnt excel at anything.
 

zizinho

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ok so now stats tell the whole story, i could give you dozens of players who have better stats than both Oscar and Isco, by your logic they are better than them. Its not by chance that Isco is a highly rated young player in the world with Pogba and Oscar is an average player who doesnt excel at anything.
stats tell a lot actually when messing a players efficiency. how else would you mess how efficient an attacking midfielder is if not by counting goals and assists. i dont care for all that flashy stuff from Isco if it doesent result in goal scoring. Oscar has more goals+assists in almost 1000 less minutes in a more defensive team. that tells quite a lot actually.

dozens of players who have better stats than both Oscar and Isco? OK, give me some. im sure i wont consider all of them better than the 2 just by looking at their stats. "by my logic" i would rate Messi and Ronaldo as the best of all time which i obviously would never ever do. Isco being highly rated (Sterling for example is as highly rated as it gets) doesent mean as much as his on field actions to me. and Oscar being average and doesent excelling at anything i dont want to comment even

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Lol
We have rugani and thiago is too priceless unless he want to be a bench player
damn Siamak, im trying to defend you here, but i cant do it if you make it difficult for me
 

j0ker

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Jan 5, 2006
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stats tell a lot actually when messing a players efficiency. how else would you mess how efficient an attacking midfielder is if not by counting goals and assists. i dont care for all that flashy stuff from Isco if it doesent result in goal scoring. Oscar has more goals+assists in almost 1000 less minutes in a more defensive team. that tells quite a lot actually.

dozens of players who have better stats than both Oscar and Isco? OK, give me some. im sure i wont consider all of them better than the 2 just by looking at their stats. "by my logic" i would rate Messi and Ronaldo as the best of all time which i obviously would never ever do. Isco being highly rated (Sterling for example is as highly rated as it gets) doesent mean as much as his on field actions to me. and Oscar being average and doesent excelling at anything i dont want to comment even

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damn Siamak, im trying to defend you here, but i cant do it if you make it difficult for me
Isco has mostly played as a CM.
 

Osman

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Aug 30, 2002
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Isco is better player then Oscar, it's painstakingly obvious. It's no point wasting time on this nonstop topic that has been ongoing for a month now.
 

zizinho

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Apr 14, 2013
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Isco is better player then Oscar, it's painstakingly obvious. It's no point wasting time on this nonstop topic that has been ongoing for a month now.
is it? what do you base your assumption on, because to me it didnt seem that obvious when i watched them

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Isco has mostly played as a CM.
i know. he hasnt played as an AM in 2 years yet people want him to be a starting AM for us. why?
 

j0ker

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is it? what do you base your assumption on, because to me it didnt seem that obvious when i watched them

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i know. he hasnt played as an AM in 2 years yet people want him to be a starting AM for us. why?
So just because Real played him out of poisition, he shouldn't be considered an AM anymore?
 
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