Steven Gerrard (11 Viewers)

zizoufan

Z.Z T h e M a s t e r
May 25, 2004
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What a fighter !! I have to say that in every team u need such a player who battles every minute and run all over the pitch.
Liverpool have one : Gerrard
Juventus have one too : Nedved.
Although, the latter is very old but still. We need such a player in our team too !
 

Azzurri7

Pinturicchio
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Dec 16, 2003
72,692
We don't need samba dancers in our team. We need someone useful.
Thats what I've been trying to say since long-time.

Lot of people seems to like/want the players that make shows rather than hard-working players on the field. I really don't see the need or the use having a player who can just dance around the ball make a trick or two and then finish. Thats not football.

For example, when Zlatan came to Juve, his first season, he tried to make several tricks most of them did work with him, he managed to be liked alot by our fans... where infact he's more like an average player if not overrated of course, who can do nothing on the pitch but try to attract people with some tricks.

If It was up to me and I was offered C. Ronaldo, Messi, Zlatan, Robben and Robinho.... or to choose Gerrard, Essien, Ballack, Nedved I would definitely take the 2nd option. Hard-working players and players that play with heart rather than show, are the players that can lead you to glory.
 

RAMI-N

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Aug 22, 2006
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Thats what I've been trying to say since long-time.

Lot of people seems to like/want the players that make shows rather than hard-working players on the field. I really don't see the need or the use having a player who can just dance around the ball make a trick or two and then finish. Thats not football.

For example, when Zlatan came to Juve, his first season, he tried to make several tricks most of them did work with him, he managed to be liked by lot of our fans... where infact he's more like an average player if not overrated of course, who can do nothing on the pitch but try to attract people with some tricks.

If It was up to me and I was offered C. Ronaldo, Messi, Zlatan, Robben and Robinho.... or to choose Gerrard, Essien, Ballack, Nedved I would definitely take the 2nd option. Hard-working players and players that play with heart rather than show, are the players that can lead you to glory.
:agree:
 

Marc

Softcore Juventino
Jul 14, 2006
21,649
Thats what I've been trying to say since long-time.

Lot of people seems to like/want the players that make shows rather than hard-working players on the field. I really don't see the need or the use having a player who can just dance around the ball make a trick or two and then finish. Thats not football.

For example, when Zlatan came to Juve, his first season, he tried to make several tricks most of them did work with him, he managed to be liked alot by our fans... where infact he's more like an average player if not overrated of course, who can do nothing on the pitch but try to attract people with some tricks.

If It was up to me and I was offered C. Ronaldo, Messi, Zlatan, Robben and Robinho.... or to choose Gerrard, Essien, Ballack, Nedved I would definitely take the 2nd option. Hard-working players and players that play with heart rather than show, are the players that can lead you to glory.
Cristiano Ronaldo does not belong in your group of dancers. Also, what about Zidane?? He was a joy to watch, he knew tricks and he also worked hard on the field.... Same thing applies to Kaka.
 

Azzurri7

Pinturicchio
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Dec 16, 2003
72,692
Cristiano Ronaldo does not belong in your group of dancers. Also, what about Zidane?? He was a joy to watch, he knew tricks and he also worked hard on the field.... Same thing applies to Kaka.
Zidane, Kaka and Del Piero for example are diff from others....they do them when It's needed, they use these tricks when some situations asks them to apply their tricks on the field. Whoever plays football, will know what I'm talking about.

C. Ronaldo does indeed belong to that group, he's one of the most selfish players I've saw in Football since I started playing the game and watching. Even ferguson once after their game against Arsenal, criticized C. Ronaldo for doing useless stuff when there's no need for them, in which he meant (tricks n pony show).
 
Nov 28, 2006
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zlatan is the best inter player at the moment.
he's goin' the Seria A best player award.
he does things that are very nice to watch and also scores great goals.
last year was under capello stupid playing system (as u can in real madrid) - defensive, ugly ,slow and bulk.
same goes for C.Ronaldo...
he wasn't given the freedom to do anything...

u might believe in hard working players and i think every team needs players that will fight but check the history books.
every big team had their star.
the one that did unbelieveble things.
we have DP.
but we need to build a team that will have a star after DP will stop playing.
the time is now.

btw, take a look at liverpool.
ye they have gerrard but they are playing shit.
when they won CW they played with heart at the final and won by penalties.
they have no star that will shine execpt gerrard that's why they won't win the championship in england untill they get one.
 

Azzurri7

Pinturicchio
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Dec 16, 2003
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zlatan is the best inter player at the moment.
he's goin' the Seria A best player award.
he does things that are very nice to watch and also scores great goals.
last year was under capello stupid playing system (as u can in real madrid) - defensive, ugly ,slow and bulk.
same goes for C.Ronaldo...
he wasn't given the freedom to do anything...
Zlatan is nature's mistake. He shouldn't be playing that sport. Doesn't really belong to him.



btw, take a look at liverpool.
ye they have gerrard but they are playing shit.

when they won CW they played with heart at the final and won by penalties.
they have no star that will shine execpt gerrard that's why they won't win the championship in england untill they get one.
I don't know what team you're watching, maybe you're mixing Liverpool with Sunderland....L'Pool might not be playing the best football ATM, but they're no where to be called "playing shit".
 

Marc

Softcore Juventino
Jul 14, 2006
21,649
C. Ronaldo does indeed belong to that group, he's one of the most selfish players I've saw in Football since I started playing the game and watching. Even Ferguson once after their game against Arsenal, criticized C. Ronaldo for doing useless stuff when there's no need for them, in which he meant (tricks n pony show).
Maybe before, but now he is the best and most useful player in one of the biggest clubs in Europe. He is leading in assists and goals, so who cares if he sometimes uses too much tricks when he always delivers when he needs to.

Anyway, I don´t want you to think I don´t agree with you, cause I do, but I think you overracted a little bit about those players. However, I completely agree with you about Zlatan. He´s an ass.
 

Ahmedios

Senior Member
Nov 11, 2006
5,107
Thats what I've been trying to say since long-time.

Lot of people seems to like/want the players that make shows rather than hard-working players on the field. I really don't see the need or the use having a player who can just dance around the ball make a trick or two and then finish. Thats not football.

For example, when Zlatan came to Juve, his first season, he tried to make several tricks most of them did work with him, he managed to be liked alot by our fans... where infact he's more like an average player if not overrated of course, who can do nothing on the pitch but try to attract people with some tricks.

If It was up to me and I was offered C. Ronaldo, Messi, Zlatan, Robben and Robinho.... or to choose Gerrard, Essien, Ballack, Nedved I would definitely take the 2nd option. Hard-working players and players that play with heart rather than show, are the players that can lead you to glory.
:tup:

The 1st part in bold is simply my football ideology.

I agree with the 2nd part in bold except for C.Ronaldo and sometimes Robben..

Zlatan is nature's mistake. He shouldn't be playing that sport. Doesn't really belong to him.
Honestly, was this your view when he first joined us? :p
 

Sadomin

Senior Member
Apr 5, 2005
7,327
Zlatan is nature's mistake. He shouldn't be playing that sport. Doesn't really belong to him.
I've been following Zlatan all season and he's completely changed. He's much less tricks now and much more heart and effectivity. Yesterday he didn't succeed technically, but showed plenty of will and held his calm during the fight at the end.

Shame he wasn't like that for Juventus though.
 

tonykart

Senior Member
Feb 16, 2007
1,595
I think Ibra is an excellent player and I would take him back to Juventus for the right price. However, I am not a big fan of Robinho. I think if we want to pick up Robinho we should just sign Cassano instead. At least Cassano uses his immense skill to set up beautiful plays and uses his intelligence to put himself and other players in key scoring positions. I think Robinho just barrels his way forward with no rhyme or reason.

I also beleive Messi is a loose cannon. He is a perfect example of someone who needs to mature as a footballer. Robben is a very good player and I would take him any day. As for Ballack, I really am at a loss. He just hasn't gotten the job done this year like he was supposed to. Maybe people put unrealistic expectations on him, but I think he just hasn't done it for me. I am not a fan of Essien.

C. Ronaldo is a great player and will mature over the years. But, as of right now he is one of the top 5 players in the world hands down. Nedved is one of my favorite players to watch and I can't imagine Juventus without him. He is world class.
 

Orgut

Senior Member
Dec 31, 2002
19,319
blame capello.
he's the trouble-maker.

he ruined us, left us , and now he's ruining madrid.
he'll soon leave them too...
Capello didn`t ruin us as we have won under him
and Capello is not ruining Real Madrid
Real Madrid has been a ruined club a lot before Capello has arrived
Capello simply cant make a team from a bunch of dancers who every single one of them just want to show what he can do with a ball

Real need a complete makeover
I don`t think there is a coach that can lead them up to something before they make this makeover


and Capello is not a bad coach he is simply a dictator and try more on making the team win then make them play well
 

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