Stevan Jovetić - AM/SS - Manchester City (49 Viewers)

[Vlad]

I'd be surprised if he stays for one more year regardless whether he moves here or abroad.
And yes it seems they want Gomez badly. They would definitely be more clinical in front of the goal and are probably counting on Ljajic to replace Jojo. Ljajic-Gomez-Cuadrado could be deadly.
I hope we somehow manage to snatch Ljajic next year as well. Too much, I know.

 

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[Gian]

Ljajic for free

 

[Dostoevsky]

Twice the player according to what? How about actually producing before we go off labeling him something he ain't. He has been producing at the same level as guys like Quag, Vucinic, Gio and Matri have. Guys like Higuain, Tevez and Suarez are guys who have produced at another level than our current strikers, Jovetic has not.

But you don't even watch Fiorentina and Jovetic.

 

[Cronios]

Season 2010/11 he scored 20 goals. 11 for Cagliari and 9 for us when we signed him in January.

Everybody can have one lucky season or one unlucky season thats why i said:

" (+20league goals/season at least 2-3 times in his carrier) "
There are plenty of players that make one great achievement in the carrier and then just fade away.
Signing him such a player at his prime is a good way to appeal the casual fans, but if we seek smth beyond just impressing the casual fan, if we look for performance, consistency, quality and competitiveness, we must respect some parameters.

Cronios...troll extraordinaire.
No one comes close.

But does that not just make him a poor striker in your opinion?
Doesn't mean he's not meant to be a finisher.
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I wouldn't say he's twice the player Vucinic is, in terms of what they are capable of, at least.

You are welcome to argue that Jovetic will put in twice as many good performances as Vucinic, which would make him twice as useful, though.

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And are you counting Llorente in that?

You mean Matri? Yes he is not meant to be a finisher and signing him as such is a major mistake.
I said the same thing about Iaquinta, Amauri, Vucinic etc

Ever since we still had Treze and DP and this young super talent Giovinco, i have been insisting for a prolific finisher to becoem Treze's heir, who has obviously lost interest after calciopoli.
Someone tp create a future partnership with Giovinco.
We still had Mutu back there and that player also had decent SS characteristics and also has a accepted a huge salary cut and serie B.
But we opted to gift him just for the loan of Bojinov.
Huge mistakes one after the other followed, many driven by the nationalistic pride of adding Italians and making compromises on quality and perspectives.
And in each and every year we were swaping one 15 league/season forward for another, noone ever managed to really threaten the aging DP until Giovinco came of age.
Exactly as expected, we could have avoided nearly 100mil, if we were not following blindily this SS upgrade strategy.
Ever since, we never had a finisher, esp after Treze officially left, except of course when we got the finished Toni, but he was never meant to play anyway, just to appeal the fans, as yet another Italian Champion for our huge failure, the ItalJuve project.

Times hae past, things have changed, but we should look back and learn from our mistakes.
We already have two decent SSs, in Vucinic and and his sub Giovinco, plenty of depth, in giaccherini, Pepe, Matri and Quaq.
A decent finisher sub now in Llorente, what is missing is only the great prolific +20 league goals/season finisher.
This is what we dont have, fine tuning our SSs further is a tactic that leads nowhere, without complement it with a consistent finisher, we are 10 years in this road and ought to know better by now.

MAybe we are not just that stupid, finishers happen to be the most expensive players, with the biggest salaries, they are the hardest to get and there always is competition for their signature.
Now despite having the financial ability, the CL and title appeal back, we still cannot complete such a deal.
The reason is obviously, the competition from other clubs, their contacts, their influence, their experience, this is exactly what the transfer manager covers, our is obvously incompetent and this is the major reason we cannot reach such a deal.


Obviously Jovetic would be an upgrade to Vucinic,
when we were getting Vucinic i opposed the transfer, i prefered Giovinco back, the purchase of a prolific finisher to complement him and then the investement of a SS of Jovetic/Sanchez level.
We should have skipped one of Vucinic or Matri. We should stop with half measures that are eating away our budget and focus on a few key players.
Starting by our greatest weakness first.
Atm we have 2 decent SSs and 3-4 average ones for depth.
But only one average finisher, who came for free and is a complete mystery about his consistence and performance.
Obviously the upgrade should come to the finisher front, an upgrade from average (more than 15 league goals, but less than 20) to a great/top finisher (+20 league goals per season)
is far more more prudent, we need one more to rotate our only option anyway, the upgrade will have the greatest impact when you upgrade your weakest link.

The presence of two great and tested in our squad and Serie A SSs also supported by the likes of MAtri, Quaq, Pepe, giaccherini who can be great fillers in events of injuries suspensions, assure that we are extremely unlikely to run out of decent SS options.

Llorente is bad one man, if he gets injured/suspended in just one decisive match, worse, if he flops entirely, or just happen to be less consistent (as <20league gaols/season finishers are) then our entire offensive performance collapse, as we would be toothless where it matters the most, scoring, the end result.

Jovetic could win the impression, create more attacking chances than Vucinic, more spectacle and enthusiasm, but the raw end result will be poor if he is not complemented with a finisher.
In the past two seasons we were punished way too much, because we could score, not because we couldnt create chances.
Create even more chances, instead of increasing your scoring percentage is an indirect way to reach your desired target and most certainly less efficient.

Tommorow, i will go in vacations in a Greek island, so my activity will be reduced up untill next sunday, (so dont dare tell me that i didnt respond due to lack of arguements)
when i return Mercato will be officially open, MArotaa had more than a full month to prepare the contacts, our planning, setting our priorities and the unofficial bids on our transfer targets.
My opinion is well argumentated already, with numbers and reasons, before we even see an official announcement.
None of the ones that accused me of trolling ever bothered to post any arguments, present their numbers and their reasoning.

Mine is set in stone for nearly a decade, our needs were constantly the same but where never met.
My vision would have saved us million upon millions, but here we stand now, that it is obviously beyond any dispute that we need a prolific finisher, with almost every member of our staff confirming this, our coach, our players, our former players, opposition tacticians, managers and football journalists, all agree on the same thing.
Now the ball lies on MArotta feet, it his move now.


Personaly i believe that the ideal player is Cavani, he is in great form, serie A tested, we would adapt at minimoum risk and time, i believe that an offer with the cash we have commited on Isla and Asamoah would have been enough last year.
We didnt, make that offer, anyways there are more players in the market, there will be moves, one of Tevez, Lewa, Adebayor, Benzema, Higuain, Dzeko, and at least 5-6 others will be within reach.
We only need one, any of them would be enough. And it doesnt have to be only one of the above mentioned ones only.
Just been proved that he can deliver with a relative consistency +20 league goals/season.

Marotta only needs to sign one +20 league goals/season finisher and not waste our budget on more of the same...
having secured, he can fine tune our SSs all he wants, but enough with it, we have been doing this every single year in the past decade and have yet to see a prolific finisher!

 

[Gep]

If Southhampton offered Roma 20M for Osvaldo

Hold on.....

This is the part where I

 

[Völler]

Damn, that's a long post even for Cronios.

 

[Cronios]

Damn, that's a long post even for Cronios.

its supposed to last for a week

 

[Dadi-SK]

So what's the latest?

 

[Gep]

Everybody can have one lucky season or one unlucky season thats why i said:

" (+20league goals/season at least 2-3 times in his carrier) "
There are plenty of players that make one great achievement in the carrier and then just fade away.
Signing him such a player at his prime is a good way to appeal the casual fans, but if we seek smth beyond just impressing the casual fan, if we look for performance, consistency, quality and competitiveness, we must respect some parameters.








You mean Matri? Yes he is not meant to be a finisher and signing him as such is a major mistake.
I said the same thing about Iaquinta, Amauri, Vucinic etc

Ever since we still had Treze and DP and this young super talent Giovinco, i have been insisting for a prolific finisher to becoem Treze's heir, who has obviously lost interest after calciopoli.
Someone tp create a future partnership with Giovinco.
We still had Mutu back there and that player also had decent SS characteristics and also has a accepted a huge salary cut and serie B.
But we opted to gift him just for the loan of Bojinov.
Huge mistakes one after the other followed, many driven by the nationalistic pride of adding Italians and making compromises on quality and perspectives.
And in each and every year we were swaping one 15 league/season forward for another, noone ever managed to really threaten the aging DP until Giovinco came of age.
Exactly as expected, we could have avoided nearly 100mil, if we were not following blindily this SS upgrade strategy.
Ever since, we never had a finisher, esp after Treze officially left, except of course when we got the finished Toni, but he was never meant to play anyway, just to appeal the fans, as yet another Italian Champion for our huge failure, the ItalJuve project.

Times hae past, things have changed, but we should look back and learn from our mistakes.
We already have two decent SSs, in Vucinic and and his sub Giovinco, plenty of depth, in giaccherini, Pepe, Matri and Quaq.
A decent finisher sub now in Llorente, what is missing is only the great prolific +20 league goals/season finisher.
This is what we dont have, fine tuning our SSs further is a tactic that leads nowhere, without complement it with a consistent finisher, we are 10 years in this road and ought to know better by now.

MAybe we are not just that stupid, finishers happen to be the most expensive players, with the biggest salaries, they are the hardest to get and there always is competition for their signature.
Now despite having the financial ability, the CL and title appeal back, we still cannot complete such a deal.
The reason is obviously, the competition from other clubs, their contacts, their influence, their experience, this is exactly what the transfer manager covers, our is obvously incompetent and this is the major reason we cannot reach such a deal.


Obviously Jovetic would be an upgrade to Vucinic,
when we were getting Vucinic i opposed the transfer, i prefered Giovinco back, the purchase of a prolific finisher to complement him and then the investement of a SS of Jovetic/Sanchez level.
We should have skipped one of Vucinic or Matri. We should stop with half measures that are eating away our budget and focus on a few key players.
Starting by our greatest weakness first.
Atm we have 2 decent SSs and 3-4 average ones for depth.
But only one average finisher, who came for free and is a complete mystery about his consistence and performance.
Obviously the upgrade should come to the finisher front, an upgrade from average (more than 15 league goals, but less than 20) to a great/top finisher (+20 league goals per season)
is far more more prudent, we need one more to rotate our only option anyway, the upgrade will have the greatest impact when you upgrade your weakest link.

The presence of two great and tested in our squad and Serie A SSs also supported by the likes of MAtri, Quaq, Pepe, giaccherini who can be great fillers in events of injuries suspensions, assure that we are extremely unlikely to run out of decent SS options.

Llorente is bad one man, if he gets injured/suspended in just one decisive match, worse, if he flops entirely, or just happen to be less consistent (as <20league gaols/season finishers are) then our entire offensive performance collapse, as we would be toothless where it matters the most, scoring, the end result.

Jovetic could win the impression, create more attacking chances than Vucinic, more spectacle and enthusiasm, but the raw end result will be poor if he is not complemented with a finisher.
In the past two seasons we were punished way too much, because we could score, not because we couldnt create chances.
Create even more chances, instead of increasing your scoring percentage is an indirect way to reach your desired target and most certainly less efficient.

Tommorow, i will go in vacations in a Greek island, so my activity will be reduced up untill next sunday, (so dont dare tell me that i didnt respond due to lack of arguements)
when i return Mercato will be officially open, MArotaa had more than a full month to prepare the contacts, our planning, setting our priorities and the unofficial bids on our transfer targets.
My opinion is well argumentated already, with numbers and reasons, before we even see an official announcement.
None of the ones that accused me of trolling ever bothered to post any arguments, present their numbers and their reasoning.

Mine is set in stone for nearly a decade, our needs were constantly the same but where never met.
My vision would have saved us million upon millions, but here we stand now, that it is obviously beyond any dispute that we need a prolific finisher, with almost every member of our staff confirming this, our coach, our players, our former players, opposition tacticians, managers and football journalists, all agree on the same thing.
Now the ball lies on MArotta feet, it his move now.


Personaly i believe that the ideal player is Cavani, he is in great form, serie A tested, we would adapt at minimoum risk and time, i believe that an offer with the cash we have commited on Isla and Asamoah would have been enough last year.
We didnt, make that offer, anyways there are more players in the market, there will be moves, one of Tevez, Lewa, Adebayor, Benzema, Higuain, Dzeko, and at least 5-6 others will be within reach.
We only need one, any of them would be enough. And it doesnt have to be only one of the above mentioned ones only.
Just been proved that he can deliver with a relative consistency +20 league goals/season.

Marotta only needs to sign one +20 league goals/season finisher and not waste our budget on more of the same...
having secured, he can fine tune our SSs all he wants, but enough with it, we have been doing this every single year in the past decade and have yet to see a prolific finisher!

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[Ahmed]

Cronios multi-quote combo blast right there.

 

[Bianconero_Aus]

Everybody can have one lucky season or one unlucky season thats why i said:

" (+20league goals/season at least 2-3 times in his carrier) "
There are plenty of players that make one great achievement in the carrier and then just fade away.
Signing him such a player at his prime is a good way to appeal the casual fans, but if we seek smth beyond just impressing the casual fan, if we look for performance, consistency, quality and competitiveness, we must respect some parameters.








You mean Matri? Yes he is not meant to be a finisher and signing him as such is a major mistake.
I said the same thing about Iaquinta, Amauri, Vucinic etc

Ever since we still had Treze and DP and this young super talent Giovinco, i have been insisting for a prolific finisher to becoem Treze's heir, who has obviously lost interest after calciopoli.
Someone tp create a future partnership with Giovinco.
We still had Mutu back there and that player also had decent SS characteristics and also has a accepted a huge salary cut and serie B.
But we opted to gift him just for the loan of Bojinov.
Huge mistakes one after the other followed, many driven by the nationalistic pride of adding Italians and making compromises on quality and perspectives.
And in each and every year we were swaping one 15 league/season forward for another, noone ever managed to really threaten the aging DP until Giovinco came of age.
Exactly as expected, we could have avoided nearly 100mil, if we were not following blindily this SS upgrade strategy.
Ever since, we never had a finisher, esp after Treze officially left, except of course when we got the finished Toni, but he was never meant to play anyway, just to appeal the fans, as yet another Italian Champion for our huge failure, the ItalJuve project.

Times hae past, things have changed, but we should look back and learn from our mistakes.
We already have two decent SSs, in Vucinic and and his sub Giovinco, plenty of depth, in giaccherini, Pepe, Matri and Quaq.
A decent finisher sub now in Llorente, what is missing is only the great prolific +20 league goals/season finisher.
This is what we dont have, fine tuning our SSs further is a tactic that leads nowhere, without complement it with a consistent finisher, we are 10 years in this road and ought to know better by now.

MAybe we are not just that stupid, finishers happen to be the most expensive players, with the biggest salaries, they are the hardest to get and there always is competition for their signature.
Now despite having the financial ability, the CL and title appeal back, we still cannot complete such a deal.
The reason is obviously, the competition from other clubs, their contacts, their influence, their experience, this is exactly what the transfer manager covers, our is obvously incompetent and this is the major reason we cannot reach such a deal.


Obviously Jovetic would be an upgrade to Vucinic,
when we were getting Vucinic i opposed the transfer, i prefered Giovinco back, the purchase of a prolific finisher to complement him and then the investement of a SS of Jovetic/Sanchez level.
We should have skipped one of Vucinic or Matri. We should stop with half measures that are eating away our budget and focus on a few key players.
Starting by our greatest weakness first.
Atm we have 2 decent SSs and 3-4 average ones for depth.
But only one average finisher, who came for free and is a complete mystery about his consistence and performance.
Obviously the upgrade should come to the finisher front, an upgrade from average (more than 15 league goals, but less than 20) to a great/top finisher (+20 league goals per season)
is far more more prudent, we need one more to rotate our only option anyway, the upgrade will have the greatest impact when you upgrade your weakest link.

The presence of two great and tested in our squad and Serie A SSs also supported by the likes of MAtri, Quaq, Pepe, giaccherini who can be great fillers in events of injuries suspensions, assure that we are extremely unlikely to run out of decent SS options.

Llorente is bad one man, if he gets injured/suspended in just one decisive match, worse, if he flops entirely, or just happen to be less consistent (as <20league gaols/season finishers are) then our entire offensive performance collapse, as we would be toothless where it matters the most, scoring, the end result.

Jovetic could win the impression, create more attacking chances than Vucinic, more spectacle and enthusiasm, but the raw end result will be poor if he is not complemented with a finisher.
In the past two seasons we were punished way too much, because we could score, not because we couldnt create chances.
Create even more chances, instead of increasing your scoring percentage is an indirect way to reach your desired target and most certainly less efficient.

Tommorow, i will go in vacations in a Greek island, so my activity will be reduced up untill next sunday, (so dont dare tell me that i didnt respond due to lack of arguements)
when i return Mercato will be officially open, MArotaa had more than a full month to prepare the contacts, our planning, setting our priorities and the unofficial bids on our transfer targets.
My opinion is well argumentated already, with numbers and reasons, before we even see an official announcement.
None of the ones that accused me of trolling ever bothered to post any arguments, present their numbers and their reasoning.

Mine is set in stone for nearly a decade, our needs were constantly the same but where never met.
My vision would have saved us million upon millions, but here we stand now, that it is obviously beyond any dispute that we need a prolific finisher, with almost every member of our staff confirming this, our coach, our players, our former players, opposition tacticians, managers and football journalists, all agree on the same thing.
Now the ball lies on MArotta feet, it his move now.


Personaly i believe that the ideal player is Cavani, he is in great form, serie A tested, we would adapt at minimoum risk and time, i believe that an offer with the cash we have commited on Isla and Asamoah would have been enough last year.
We didnt, make that offer, anyways there are more players in the market, there will be moves, one of Tevez, Lewa, Adebayor, Benzema, Higuain, Dzeko, and at least 5-6 others will be within reach.
We only need one, any of them would be enough. And it doesnt have to be only one of the above mentioned ones only.
Just been proved that he can deliver with a relative consistency +20 league goals/season.

Marotta only needs to sign one +20 league goals/season finisher and not waste our budget on more of the same...
having secured, he can fine tune our SSs all he wants, but enough with it, we have been doing this every single year in the past decade and have yet to see a prolific finisher!

 

[Dostoevsky]

best gif

 

[Tommy]

Everybody can have one lucky season or one unlucky season thats why i said:

" (+20league goals/season at least 2-3 times in his carrier) "
There are plenty of players that make one great achievement in the carrier and then just fade away.
Signing him such a player at his prime is a good way to appeal the casual fans, but if we seek smth beyond just impressing the casual fan, if we look for performance, consistency, quality and competitiveness, we must respect some parameters.








You mean Matri? Yes he is not meant to be a finisher and signing him as such is a major mistake.
I said the same thing about Iaquinta, Amauri, Vucinic etc

Ever since we still had Treze and DP and this young super talent Giovinco, i have been insisting for a prolific finisher to becoem Treze's heir, who has obviously lost interest after calciopoli.
Someone tp create a future partnership with Giovinco.
We still had Mutu back there and that player also had decent SS characteristics and also has a accepted a huge salary cut and serie B.
But we opted to gift him just for the loan of Bojinov.
Huge mistakes one after the other followed, many driven by the nationalistic pride of adding Italians and making compromises on quality and perspectives.
And in each and every year we were swaping one 15 league/season forward for another, noone ever managed to really threaten the aging DP until Giovinco came of age.
Exactly as expected, we could have avoided nearly 100mil, if we were not following blindily this SS upgrade strategy.
Ever since, we never had a finisher, esp after Treze officially left, except of course when we got the finished Toni, but he was never meant to play anyway, just to appeal the fans, as yet another Italian Champion for our huge failure, the ItalJuve project.

Times hae past, things have changed, but we should look back and learn from our mistakes.
We already have two decent SSs, in Vucinic and and his sub Giovinco, plenty of depth, in giaccherini, Pepe, Matri and Quaq.
A decent finisher sub now in Llorente, what is missing is only the great prolific +20 league goals/season finisher.
This is what we dont have, fine tuning our SSs further is a tactic that leads nowhere, without complement it with a consistent finisher, we are 10 years in this road and ought to know better by now.

MAybe we are not just that stupid, finishers happen to be the most expensive players, with the biggest salaries, they are the hardest to get and there always is competition for their signature.
Now despite having the financial ability, the CL and title appeal back, we still cannot complete such a deal.
The reason is obviously, the competition from other clubs, their contacts, their influence, their experience, this is exactly what the transfer manager covers, our is obvously incompetent and this is the major reason we cannot reach such a deal.


Obviously Jovetic would be an upgrade to Vucinic,
when we were getting Vucinic i opposed the transfer, i prefered Giovinco back, the purchase of a prolific finisher to complement him and then the investement of a SS of Jovetic/Sanchez level.
We should have skipped one of Vucinic or Matri. We should stop with half measures that are eating away our budget and focus on a few key players.
Starting by our greatest weakness first.
Atm we have 2 decent SSs and 3-4 average ones for depth.
But only one average finisher, who came for free and is a complete mystery about his consistence and performance.
Obviously the upgrade should come to the finisher front, an upgrade from average (more than 15 league goals, but less than 20) to a great/top finisher (+20 league goals per season)
is far more more prudent, we need one more to rotate our only option anyway, the upgrade will have the greatest impact when you upgrade your weakest link.

The presence of two great and tested in our squad and Serie A SSs also supported by the likes of MAtri, Quaq, Pepe, giaccherini who can be great fillers in events of injuries suspensions, assure that we are extremely unlikely to run out of decent SS options.

Llorente is bad one man, if he gets injured/suspended in just one decisive match, worse, if he flops entirely, or just happen to be less consistent (as <20league gaols/season finishers are) then our entire offensive performance collapse, as we would be toothless where it matters the most, scoring, the end result.

Jovetic could win the impression, create more attacking chances than Vucinic, more spectacle and enthusiasm, but the raw end result will be poor if he is not complemented with a finisher.
In the past two seasons we were punished way too much, because we could score, not because we couldnt create chances.
Create even more chances, instead of increasing your scoring percentage is an indirect way to reach your desired target and most certainly less efficient.

Tommorow, i will go in vacations in a Greek island, so my activity will be reduced up untill next sunday, (so dont dare tell me that i didnt respond due to lack of arguements)
when i return Mercato will be officially open, MArotaa had more than a full month to prepare the contacts, our planning, setting our priorities and the unofficial bids on our transfer targets.
My opinion is well argumentated already, with numbers and reasons, before we even see an official announcement.
None of the ones that accused me of trolling ever bothered to post any arguments, present their numbers and their reasoning.

Mine is set in stone for nearly a decade, our needs were constantly the same but where never met.
My vision would have saved us million upon millions, but here we stand now, that it is obviously beyond any dispute that we need a prolific finisher, with almost every member of our staff confirming this, our coach, our players, our former players, opposition tacticians, managers and football journalists, all agree on the same thing.
Now the ball lies on MArotta feet, it his move now.


Personaly i believe that the ideal player is Cavani, he is in great form, serie A tested, we would adapt at minimoum risk and time, i believe that an offer with the cash we have commited on Isla and Asamoah would have been enough last year.
We didnt, make that offer, anyways there are more players in the market, there will be moves, one of Tevez, Lewa, Adebayor, Benzema, Higuain, Dzeko, and at least 5-6 others will be within reach.
We only need one, any of them would be enough. And it doesnt have to be only one of the above mentioned ones only.
Just been proved that he can deliver with a relative consistency +20 league goals/season.

Marotta only needs to sign one +20 league goals/season finisher and not waste our budget on more of the same...
having secured, he can fine tune our SSs all he wants, but enough with it, we have been doing this every single year in the past decade and have yet to see a prolific finisher!

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[ZoSo]

Everybody can have one lucky season or one unlucky season thats why i said:

" (+20league goals/season at least 2-3 times in his carrier) "
There are plenty of players that make one great achievement in the carrier and then just fade away.
Signing him such a player at his prime is a good way to appeal the casual fans, but if we seek smth beyond just impressing the casual fan, if we look for performance, consistency, quality and competitiveness, we must respect some parameters.








You mean Matri? Yes he is not meant to be a finisher and signing him as such is a major mistake.
I said the same thing about Iaquinta, Amauri, Vucinic etc

Ever since we still had Treze and DP and this young super talent Giovinco, i have been insisting for a prolific finisher to becoem Treze's heir, who has obviously lost interest after calciopoli.
Someone tp create a future partnership with Giovinco.
We still had Mutu back there and that player also had decent SS characteristics and also has a accepted a huge salary cut and serie B.
But we opted to gift him just for the loan of Bojinov.
Huge mistakes one after the other followed, many driven by the nationalistic pride of adding Italians and making compromises on quality and perspectives.
And in each and every year we were swaping one 15 league/season forward for another, noone ever managed to really threaten the aging DP until Giovinco came of age.
Exactly as expected, we could have avoided nearly 100mil, if we were not following blindily this SS upgrade strategy.
Ever since, we never had a finisher, esp after Treze officially left, except of course when we got the finished Toni, but he was never meant to play anyway, just to appeal the fans, as yet another Italian Champion for our huge failure, the ItalJuve project.

Times hae past, things have changed, but we should look back and learn from our mistakes.
We already have two decent SSs, in Vucinic and and his sub Giovinco, plenty of depth, in giaccherini, Pepe, Matri and Quaq.
A decent finisher sub now in Llorente, what is missing is only the great prolific +20 league goals/season finisher.
This is what we dont have, fine tuning our SSs further is a tactic that leads nowhere, without complement it with a consistent finisher, we are 10 years in this road and ought to know better by now.

MAybe we are not just that stupid, finishers happen to be the most expensive players, with the biggest salaries, they are the hardest to get and there always is competition for their signature.
Now despite having the financial ability, the CL and title appeal back, we still cannot complete such a deal.
The reason is obviously, the competition from other clubs, their contacts, their influence, their experience, this is exactly what the transfer manager covers, our is obvously incompetent and this is the major reason we cannot reach such a deal.


Obviously Jovetic would be an upgrade to Vucinic,
when we were getting Vucinic i opposed the transfer, i prefered Giovinco back, the purchase of a prolific finisher to complement him and then the investement of a SS of Jovetic/Sanchez level.
We should have skipped one of Vucinic or Matri. We should stop with half measures that are eating away our budget and focus on a few key players.
Starting by our greatest weakness first.
Atm we have 2 decent SSs and 3-4 average ones for depth.
But only one average finisher, who came for free and is a complete mystery about his consistence and performance.
Obviously the upgrade should come to the finisher front, an upgrade from average (more than 15 league goals, but less than 20) to a great/top finisher (+20 league goals per season)
is far more more prudent, we need one more to rotate our only option anyway, the upgrade will have the greatest impact when you upgrade your weakest link.

The presence of two great and tested in our squad and Serie A SSs also supported by the likes of MAtri, Quaq, Pepe, giaccherini who can be great fillers in events of injuries suspensions, assure that we are extremely unlikely to run out of decent SS options.

Llorente is bad one man, if he gets injured/suspended in just one decisive match, worse, if he flops entirely, or just happen to be less consistent (as <20league gaols/season finishers are) then our entire offensive performance collapse, as we would be toothless where it matters the most, scoring, the end result.

Jovetic could win the impression, create more attacking chances than Vucinic, more spectacle and enthusiasm, but the raw end result will be poor if he is not complemented with a finisher.
In the past two seasons we were punished way too much, because we could score, not because we couldnt create chances.
Create even more chances, instead of increasing your scoring percentage is an indirect way to reach your desired target and most certainly less efficient.

Tommorow, i will go in vacations in a Greek island, so my activity will be reduced up untill next sunday, (so dont dare tell me that i didnt respond due to lack of arguements)
when i return Mercato will be officially open, MArotaa had more than a full month to prepare the contacts, our planning, setting our priorities and the unofficial bids on our transfer targets.
My opinion is well argumentated already, with numbers and reasons, before we even see an official announcement.
None of the ones that accused me of trolling ever bothered to post any arguments, present their numbers and their reasoning.

Mine is set in stone for nearly a decade, our needs were constantly the same but where never met.
My vision would have saved us million upon millions, but here we stand now, that it is obviously beyond any dispute that we need a prolific finisher, with almost every member of our staff confirming this, our coach, our players, our former players, opposition tacticians, managers and football journalists, all agree on the same thing.
Now the ball lies on MArotta feet, it his move now.


Personaly i believe that the ideal player is Cavani, he is in great form, serie A tested, we would adapt at minimoum risk and time, i believe that an offer with the cash we have commited on Isla and Asamoah would have been enough last year.
We didnt, make that offer, anyways there are more players in the market, there will be moves, one of Tevez, Lewa, Adebayor, Benzema, Higuain, Dzeko, and at least 5-6 others will be within reach.
We only need one, any of them would be enough. And it doesnt have to be only one of the above mentioned ones only.
Just been proved that he can deliver with a relative consistency +20 league goals/season.

Marotta only needs to sign one +20 league goals/season finisher and not waste our budget on more of the same...
having secured, he can fine tune our SSs all he wants, but enough with it, we have been doing this every single year in the past decade and have yet to see a prolific finisher!

I'm gonna be different and say great post except for the part about Cavani. Chelsea offered like €55m and Napoli still didn't accept, so obviously we would need to pay €63m release clause which we probably don't have.

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Everybody can have one lucky season or one unlucky season thats why i said:

" (+20league goals/season at least 2-3 times in his carrier) "
There are plenty of players that make one great achievement in the carrier and then just fade away.
Signing him such a player at his prime is a good way to appeal the casual fans, but if we seek smth beyond just impressing the casual fan, if we look for performance, consistency, quality and competitiveness, we must respect some parameters.








You mean Matri? Yes he is not meant to be a finisher and signing him as such is a major mistake.
I said the same thing about Iaquinta, Amauri, Vucinic etc

Ever since we still had Treze and DP and this young super talent Giovinco, i have been insisting for a prolific finisher to becoem Treze's heir, who has obviously lost interest after calciopoli.
Someone tp create a future partnership with Giovinco.
We still had Mutu back there and that player also had decent SS characteristics and also has a accepted a huge salary cut and serie B.
But we opted to gift him just for the loan of Bojinov.
Huge mistakes one after the other followed, many driven by the nationalistic pride of adding Italians and making compromises on quality and perspectives.
And in each and every year we were swaping one 15 league/season forward for another, noone ever managed to really threaten the aging DP until Giovinco came of age.
Exactly as expected, we could have avoided nearly 100mil, if we were not following blindily this SS upgrade strategy.
Ever since, we never had a finisher, esp after Treze officially left, except of course when we got the finished Toni, but he was never meant to play anyway, just to appeal the fans, as yet another Italian Champion for our huge failure, the ItalJuve project.

Times hae past, things have changed, but we should look back and learn from our mistakes.
We already have two decent SSs, in Vucinic and and his sub Giovinco, plenty of depth, in giaccherini, Pepe, Matri and Quaq.
A decent finisher sub now in Llorente, what is missing is only the great prolific +20 league goals/season finisher.
This is what we dont have, fine tuning our SSs further is a tactic that leads nowhere, without complement it with a consistent finisher, we are 10 years in this road and ought to know better by now.

MAybe we are not just that stupid, finishers happen to be the most expensive players, with the biggest salaries, they are the hardest to get and there always is competition for their signature.
Now despite having the financial ability, the CL and title appeal back, we still cannot complete such a deal.
The reason is obviously, the competition from other clubs, their contacts, their influence, their experience, this is exactly what the transfer manager covers, our is obvously incompetent and this is the major reason we cannot reach such a deal.


Obviously Jovetic would be an upgrade to Vucinic,
when we were getting Vucinic i opposed the transfer, i prefered Giovinco back, the purchase of a prolific finisher to complement him and then the investement of a SS of Jovetic/Sanchez level.
We should have skipped one of Vucinic or Matri. We should stop with half measures that are eating away our budget and focus on a few key players.
Starting by our greatest weakness first.
Atm we have 2 decent SSs and 3-4 average ones for depth.
But only one average finisher, who came for free and is a complete mystery about his consistence and performance.
Obviously the upgrade should come to the finisher front, an upgrade from average (more than 15 league goals, but less than 20) to a great/top finisher (+20 league goals per season)
is far more more prudent, we need one more to rotate our only option anyway, the upgrade will have the greatest impact when you upgrade your weakest link.

The presence of two great and tested in our squad and Serie A SSs also supported by the likes of MAtri, Quaq, Pepe, giaccherini who can be great fillers in events of injuries suspensions, assure that we are extremely unlikely to run out of decent SS options.

Llorente is bad one man, if he gets injured/suspended in just one decisive match, worse, if he flops entirely, or just happen to be less consistent (as <20league gaols/season finishers are) then our entire offensive performance collapse, as we would be toothless where it matters the most, scoring, the end result.

Jovetic could win the impression, create more attacking chances than Vucinic, more spectacle and enthusiasm, but the raw end result will be poor if he is not complemented with a finisher.
In the past two seasons we were punished way too much, because we could score, not because we couldnt create chances.
Create even more chances, instead of increasing your scoring percentage is an indirect way to reach your desired target and most certainly less efficient.

Tommorow, i will go in vacations in a Greek island, so my activity will be reduced up untill next sunday, (so dont dare tell me that i didnt respond due to lack of arguements)
when i return Mercato will be officially open, MArotaa had more than a full month to prepare the contacts, our planning, setting our priorities and the unofficial bids on our transfer targets.
My opinion is well argumentated already, with numbers and reasons, before we even see an official announcement.
None of the ones that accused me of trolling ever bothered to post any arguments, present their numbers and their reasoning.

Mine is set in stone for nearly a decade, our needs were constantly the same but where never met.
My vision would have saved us million upon millions, but here we stand now, that it is obviously beyond any dispute that we need a prolific finisher, with almost every member of our staff confirming this, our coach, our players, our former players, opposition tacticians, managers and football journalists, all agree on the same thing.
Now the ball lies on MArotta feet, it his move now.


Personaly i believe that the ideal player is Cavani, he is in great form, serie A tested, we would adapt at minimoum risk and time, i believe that an offer with the cash we have commited on Isla and Asamoah would have been enough last year.
We didnt, make that offer, anyways there are more players in the market, there will be moves, one of Tevez, Lewa, Adebayor, Benzema, Higuain, Dzeko, and at least 5-6 others will be within reach.
We only need one, any of them would be enough. And it doesnt have to be only one of the above mentioned ones only.
Just been proved that he can deliver with a relative consistency +20 league goals/season.

Marotta only needs to sign one +20 league goals/season finisher and not waste our budget on more of the same...
having secured, he can fine tune our SSs all he wants, but enough with it, we have been doing this every single year in the past decade and have yet to see a prolific finisher!

I'm gonna be different and say great post except for the part about Cavani. Chelsea offered like €55m and Napoli still didn't accept, so obviously we would need to pay €63m release clause which we probably don't have.

 

[Xperd]

So what's the latest?

That Marotta is preparing a number of offers to meet the 30m valuation but by including counterparts such as Marrone and Gabbiadini.(GDS).

Pretty much the same things that've been said over the last few days.

 

[Dadi-SK]

That Marotta is preparing a number of offers to meet the valuation of 30m but by including counterparts such as Marrone and Gabbiadini.(GDS).

Pretty much the same things that've been said over the last few days.

Thanks.

 

[Suns]

How about you actually watching him sometimes before giving such a stupid remarks.
On the Level of Gio, Quag, Matri
If you can't see the difference between Jojo and the mentioned ones football isn't your thing.

You think I've never watched Jovetic play? Are you serious right now? I just don't think he has played consistently at a level that our new top striker should have, his price is too high and his history with injuries worries me a lot.

He's repeating the same BS on and on and on.

We have a new Cronios here.

I repeat it because that is what worries me, you want me to make up new BS every time or what? I don't know if you've noticed but there are plenty of people who don't share your view on Jovetic on this thread.

 

[Robee]

This 20+ goals per season nonsense must stop. There is no such thing except for players that are waaaaay above our grasp.

And for how fantastic Trezeguet was, he only managed it 3 times in his entire career. Llorente will do just fine.

 

[Vlad]

You think I've never watched Jovetic play? Are you serious right now? I just don't think he has played consistently at a level that our new top striker should have, his price is too high and his history with injuries worries me a lot.

He'll come for under 20M which is affordable. Still young and with Conte's guidance he can become top player. He proved himself in Serie A already. Pretty much excelled in CL in 2009/10. In a single season he scored almost as Higuain scored in entire CL career and Real is regular participant. All he needs for further growth is a better club.
Comparing Jovetic with Quag or Gio is silly. You messed up there.

 

[Suns]

He'll come for under 20M which is affordable. Still young and with Conte's guidance he can become top player. He proved himself in Serie A already. Pretty much excelled in CL in 2009/10. In a single season he scored almost as Higuain scored in entire CL career and Real is regular participant. All he needs for further growth is a better club.
Comparing Jovetic with Quag or Gio is silly. You messed up there.

Under 20m? In what world? First of all Viola have publicly said that they won't go 1 euro under 30m. Also, the deals that are talked about are 20m + Marrone or Gabbiadini. Now I don't know about you but those guys are not worth 0. They are worth something and are assets to Juventus that adds value to the deal. Both of those guys are worth about 7m each which would mean that this deal is closer to 30m.

Please stop comparing Higuain to Jovetic. Higuain has scored over 130 goals in the last 5 years and is only behind Ronaldo and Messi in terms of goals scored. He's one of the most natural born finishers in the world.

And whether you like it or not, Quag, Gio Vucinic and Matri have all had season as productive as Jovetic. For all of the overrating Jovetic gets, you'd think he should have taken his game to the next level by now. He's very inconsistent and for example only scored 4 goals after the new year.

We're looking for a top player and if we have guys like Higuain and Tevez available to us, we should go after them. I don't know if Jovetic could take his game to the world class level or not, but I'm sure Higuain and Tevez would bring an already established world class game. Especially if they get to be the center of attention in our attack.