Stem Cell research (1 Viewer)

[ac_milan_foreva]

what u guys think? i STRONGLY support it and i dont understand people who dont. its not like it will be done on them if they dont want it. how can sick people go on being sick cuz someone who doesnt understand it think its imoral. its redicilous. i really hope that this research is developed and is put into some use.

 

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++ [ originally posted by ac_milan_foreva ] ++
i dont understand people who dont. its not like it will be done on them if they dont want it.

I'm not sure if you fully understand the implications of stem cell research. It's not a case of people who oppose it not wanting to have it "done on them". Stem cells need to be actively grown, and so far the method by which this is done is by harvesting cells from living embryos, which is where the morals come into the question. It's fairly similar to the abortion debate, where the choice is between the life of an adult and the life of an unborn baby.

Fortunately, new research into the technology has found that stem cells can be harvested from hair (though I'm not sure to which extent), and hopefully that will cool the debate down a bit, since the proportion of pro-hair people is significantly less than the pro-life group

 

[adams]

The bottom line is, if the results of stem cell research are greater than the value of the human embryos then it should be done. If not, its a terrible waste and an injustice.

 

[ßöмßäяðîëя]

i most defenitely think that stem cells should be used to fight cancers, or other deceases.

I think by reading Graham's sig we know where he stands.

 

[mikhail]

++ [ originally posted by adams ] ++
The bottom line is, if the results of stem cell research are greater than the value of the human embryos then it should be done. If not, its a terrible waste and an injustice.

Ah, but what value has a human life? Tell you what, if they found a cure cancer, but it involved harvesting the organs of new-borns, would it be worth it? Some people don't think much of the value of an embryo, but others do hold it in the same regard as any child. It's a matter of principle and not easily resoved.

Grey, I think there are a number of such methods. One involves blood from the placenta. All of them are, AFAIK, rather limited for some reason, but maybe there's hope there yet.

 

[ßöмßäяðîëя]

But it is not like you are talking a toddlers liver out, you are taking cells at an early stage which can have their DNA constructed to anything. So you take a cell and make it a liver, not the other way around.

In anycase, even if we were taking childrens organs, it should be done.

 

[mikhail]

++ [ originally posted by Bürke ] ++
But it is not like you are talking a toddlers liver out, you are taking cells at an early stage which can have their DNA constructed to anything. So you take a cell and make it a liver, not the other way around.

Its flexability doesn't really alter the fact that it's a human life.

In anycase, even if we were taking childrens organs, it should be done.

Not a common opinion, methinks. Nor a legal option in just about everywhere, for that matter.

 

[ßöмßäяðîëя]

You messed that up. But it does, do you agree with abortion?

Well, are you a Catholic first of all?

Ohh, and I thought you knew I was a sick bastard.

 

[mikhail]

++ [ originally posted by Bürke ] ++
You messed that up. But it does, do you agree with abortion?

No. I think that all the arguments in defense of it are irrelevant if you consider a foetus to be a human life.

Well, are you a Catholic first of all?

No. Raised one though.

Ohh, and I thought you knew I was a sick bastard.

Yeah, what was I thinking?!

 

[ßöмßäяðîëя]

++ [ originally posted by mikhail ] ++

No. I think that all the arguments in defense of it are irrelevant if you consider a foetus to be a human life.

Well, are you born nine months old then?

I just don't considder a fetus more than a wart because it cannot live on its own. It is a growth on the inside of the person.

It may not be the "right" thing to do, but what about in the case of rape? There are a lot of circumstances that would have to come into play.

Well, anyway, I do not think that it will ever be illegalized in this country again because I do not think the government will try to influence the publics values or try to tell them what to do.

No. Raised one though.

I thought so, looking at your location. :thumb:




Yea, you must have had a memory lapse.

 

[mikhail]

++ [ originally posted by Bürke ] ++
Well, are you born nine months old then?

Sure, if you want to start measuring your age from conception. It's all arbitrary anyway.

I just don't considder a fetus more than a wart because it cannot live on its own. It is a growth on the inside of the person.

Sort of. But a newborn is similarly helpless. It'll die within days if left on its own. Does it have rights? At what point does a foetus become human?

It may not be the "right" thing to do, but what about in the case of rape? There are a lot of circumstances that would have to come into play.

It's a complex issue, and rape is a very emotive case that the pro-abortion camp bring up repeatedly. As I see it, if the foetus is to be considered a human life (and you now know that I do), it has a right to life. I don't see how the circumstances of its conception deny it that. Do the children of a wife-beater have limited rights?

Well, anyway, I do not think that it will ever be illegalized in this country again because I do not think the government will try to influence the publics values or try to tell them what to do.

I suspect you're right.

I thought so, looking at your location. :thumb:

Yeah, Ireland's still pretty heavily influenced by the Catholic Church, though less so among the younger people.

 

[ßöмßäяðîëя]

I'll argue this more later, I just have a class.


I will look for a sweet lass, laddie!

 

[ac_milan_foreva]

but guys its not like ur killing something that has a mind. ur killing something that isnt even develped yet. YOU ARE KILLING SOMETHING that wouldnt even be developed if it wasnt for that research.

 

[Elnur_E65]

I just remembered a South Park episode on Stem cells... that was funny

 

[ßöмßäяðîëя]

++ [ originally posted by ac_milan_foreva ] ++
but guys its not like ur killing something that has a mind. ur killing something that isnt even develped yet. YOU ARE KILLING SOMETHING that wouldnt even be developed if it wasnt for that research.

That is what I am trying to argue.