Stars of the World Cup: so far... (3 Viewers)

Jul 12, 2002
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1. Valentine Invanov

2. Jorge Larriando

3. Graham Poll


291 Yellow Cards delivered: 5.6 per games

23 Red Cards delivered: almost 1 red card for every 2 games

The saying goes that coaches lose games, players win games, and referees ruin games. This has certainly been true for this tournament. I'm waiting to see a brawl, or a protest of own goals, or something... This is truly out of hand.

BTW, I wonder if that YC count includes all three of Simunic's yellow's against Australia?
 

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gray

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Apr 22, 2003
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I think Simunic's third yellow against Australia was officially stricken from the record
 

swag

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Sep 23, 2003
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Ian said:
Can anyone think of a ref who's done well?
Maybe because my expectations are so low now, I thought Massimo Busacca ultimately let the players win the Arg-Mex match fairly. Even if he did miss a last-man red card and an errant offsides call, restraint is such a refreshing contrast on close calls in this WC ... especially in matches where the result seems fair, just, deserved, and determined by the players instead of the officials.
 

Snoop

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Oct 2, 2001
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I know no one will agree with me, but the increasing numbers of cards is better for football, at least the players will think twice before making harsh tackles like those.

I think Ivanov should have shown more cards yesterday, for example the foul on Ronaldo should have been straight red card, and also Deco's foul was a tackle from behind, also should have been straight red card.. the match was like a circus..


nice to see you back Ian
 

JCK

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May 11, 2004
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snoop said:
I know no one will agree with me, but the increasing numbers of cards is better for football, at least the players will think twice before making harsh tackles like those.

I think Ivanov should have shown more cards yesterday, for example the foul on Ronaldo should have been straight red card, and also Deco's foul was a tackle from behind, also should have been straight red card.. the match was like a circus..


nice to see you back Ian

Maybe be better in the long run to decrease the fouls, but it shouldn't have been applied in football's biggest tournament. Then another thing, we all know that football IS a physical sport, the yellow cards are being given on any physical contact which simply has killed this part of the game.
 

mikhail

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Jan 24, 2003
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Yeah, a lot of the yellow cards so far have been for minor picky things. I saw one Germany group game (I don't recall which one) where three players were booked in the first 15-20 mins for totally innocuous stuff.

On the other hand, you get games like Portugal-Holland last night where there was genuine bad blood on the pitch. I thought the ref did okay in a very hard match to ref.
 

gray

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Apr 22, 2003
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snoop said:
I know no one will agree with me, but the increasing numbers of cards is better for football, at least the players will think twice before making harsh tackles like those.
I see your point here snoop, but I just think the timing of it is all wrong. Greg's already touched on this, but it's ridiculous to suddenly introduce a whole new standard of rules to what the players have been going by pre-WC. I think overall it's better that referees crack down on certain things that are prevalent in the modern game, but it could've been done a hell of a lot more tactfully than the card-fest that this World Cup has been
 

Slagathor

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Jul 25, 2001
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mikhail said:
Yeah, a lot of the yellow cards so far have been for minor picky things. I saw one Germany group game (I don't recall which one) where three players were booked in the first 15-20 mins for totally innocuous stuff.

On the other hand, you get games like Portugal-Holland last night where there was genuine bad blood on the pitch. I thought the ref did okay in a very hard match to ref.
Several cards of that game were justified, including red ones. However, Ivanov made a crucial error of judgement in the opening half hour of the match by waving cards around for tiny fouls where he should have given a free kick only.

Still, with last match obviously topping the list, this whole World Cup has been a disgrace for Holland. Awful, awful play and horrible sportsmanship. Van Basten has to go. NOW.
 

ZhiXin

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Oct 1, 2004
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I think the referees need to improve on decision making. Sometimes they tend to give a yellow card too easily for a light foul when a caution is only needed, and they easily succumb to peer pressure.

And I see Erik mentioning about Markus Merk. REally I don't know why and how Merk received the best referee award ahead of Collina, so far he has been making so many controversial decisions (Inther - Milan, Milan - Barca, USA - Ghana). He is 1 of the most overrated out there
 

Snoop

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Oct 2, 2001
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gray said:
I see your point here snoop, but I just think the timing of it is all wrong. Greg's already touched on this, but it's ridiculous to suddenly introduce a whole new standard of rules to what the players have been going by pre-WC. I think overall it's better that referees crack down on certain things that are prevalent in the modern game, but it could've been done a hell of a lot more tactfully than the card-fest that this World Cup has been
I just hope this will continue in european leagues and domestic leagues also, this is much better, this will probably reduce the injury problems, and players like Materazzi will stay out of football.

I heard yesterday that "remove" the yellow cards after each round, so a player will not be missed unless he recieves a red, is that true?
 

gray

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Apr 22, 2003
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snoop said:
I heard yesterday that "remove" the yellow cards after each round, so a player will not be missed unless he recieves a red, is that true?
I heard the same thing; it makes sense, too.
 

Geof

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May 14, 2004
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The Guardian Blog:

Defrock these pernickety refs
Crazy interventions by infuriating officials spoil the flow of the game and make players nervous.
Paul DoyleJune 22, 2006 05:49 PM
Something needs to be done about incompetent referees. Seriously, a rebuke from some bureaucrat is nowhere near severe enough for an infuriating official such as Markus Merk, who today deformed a potentially beautiful Group D clash between Ghana and USA. But of course, Merk won't even be rebuked: his pernickety, at times perverse performance will in fact be praised by Fifa blazers. Which is outrageous because if the German dentist took the same approach to his first trade as he does to his refereeing, then his hometown would be teeming with gummy youths who had their teeth wrenched out during dinner for getting food on them.

Merk, who drew the ire of Australian players in his previous match at this tournament by allegedly jeering them over their defeat to Brazil, today booked Michael Essien in the first few minutes for a tackle that was about as dangerous as Bob the Builder. Moments later, he cautioned Eddie Lewis for not spontaneously amputating his hand, which was the only way he could have prevented the ball making contact with it after it was smashed straight at him. Two minutes into time added on for fussiness, Merk awarded Ghana a penalty after Oguchi Onyewu refused to step aside to allow Razak Pimpong to control the ball and score. It was an absurd decision, one that could only have been made by a referee whose vision is warped by a determination to be centre-stage.

The upshot was the players became nervous and uncertain, knowing that at any moment they could be penalised for running too fast or kicking the ball with excessive force. John Pantsil dared to try something special in the 58th minute, but instead of admiring the defender's acrobatic overhead kick, Merk punished him for raising his feet too high.

Watching a match with Merk in charge - or, for that matter, one run by equally annoying Englishman Graham Poll - is like going to the cinema and finding yourself sat behind a gigantic fool who spends the film guffawing inappropriately and farting most pungently. But at least the theatre-owners don't invite that offender back and pay for him to have the most prominent seat in the house. Fifa, on the other hand, are no doubt planning to unleash Merk and Poll several more times throughout this World Cup, possibly even in the final.

So what can be done? I was going to propose hacking into Fifa's website and scrawling a new law into the game's statutes whereby a ref has to remove an item of clothing each time he blows his whistle in a match. That might make them think twice before intervening. Then I thought twice, and suddenly wasn't so convinced that these attention-seekers would construe that as a deterrent. Anyone got any brighter ideas?

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Yesterday, my colleague Paul Doyle wrote a nice piece attacking pernickety referees for ruining the World Cup. His tongue-in-cheek solution was that they needed to be humiliated. I disagree. Most just need help.

I felt for Graham Poll last night. In one respect - making the Croatia v Australia game flow - he did pretty well. But in pretty much every other he had a shocker, booking one player three times, blowing for full time just as a Tim Cahill shot was crossing the line, and missing a blatant handball to boot.

He's not the only ref to struggle in Germany 2006, of course. We've had a phonebook-sized number of erroneous yellow cards, three goals that weren't spotted, and myriad incorrect penalty decisions.

The first problem could be solved by Fifa toning down its gung-ho directives to officials, and by introducing a panel to review and rescind yellow and red cards after the match. It won't happen though: Fifa has an almost-Catholic belief in the infallibility of referees, and themselves.

The second solution is also obvious, if contentious: introduce instant video replays.

As I've argued previously, two forces are at a play in the modern game. First, football is faster and more frantic than ever before. Second, there are fewer goals than ever before, which also exacerbates the impact of poor refereeing. Decisions may even out over a season, but they rarely do so over the course of a match.

Technology would clearly help. Yesterday, Ghana were given a penalty that wasn't, while Australia were robbed of one that was. Within 10 seconds of both incidents, TV replays had made this stunningly clear.

Sure, video evidence would slow the game down slightly, but not as much as the luddites would have you believe. The ball is only in play for 60-odd minutes anyway and double-checking, say, a goal-line clearance, penalty or offside appeal would add seconds not minutes. If there were any doubts at all about the TV replays, the referee's original decision would stand.

Introducing technology would also change the risk v reward debate that zips around a player's head: there'd be no incentive to dive for a penalty when someone in the stands could alert the referee, who would soon be waving yellow in your direction. And why pretend to be punched, when in 30 seconds' time you'd be receiving red for play-acting?

Clearly there's a balance to be struck between maintaining the flow of the game and making the right decision but if other sports can do it, so can football. Ultimately, it boils down to what is preferable: a 30-second delay in play, or the Hand of God? Getting it right, or allowing cheats to get away with it? Certainty, or random chance?
 

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