Stankovic? (28 Viewers)

[ReBeL]

I think they are voicing their opinion and its due to the lack of trust in the board. Trust is hard to gain and harder to maintain as we all know, even though they are on the right track they will need to prove themselves more and more as the comparisons will always be there against the old board.

IMO its a a good thing because they need to feel pressure from the fans and have faith in their own decisions. Influencing factors should be irrelevant in that context and in that kind of situation, if they think Stankovic is good enough then he should be signed. They have to make the tough decisions as they are the professionals.

Thats one of the reasons why i am so interested in this transfer, it will provide us with an idea on how this board will act in these situations.

The board will go on in this transfer if they really want him. They don't really care about the opinions of fans. Their behavior since the calciopoli proves that.

But you have the full picture because you dont want a player just because he played for a team you dont like.

We don't oppose his transfer just because he plays for Inter. The guy made stupid remarks after the calciopoli. I know you'll tell me he is not the only one and that he did so because it's normal to say such things in these situations.

All what we say is that there are other players in the world without having a history of bashing their future club.

 

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[v1rtu4l]

I think they didn't, maybe Alex did, but I'm not sure about Chiellini. I think that we loaned him out immediately after we bought him. Still remembering playing FM (I know it's not real etc... ) I'm sure that Del Piero is counted as our youth product.

damn, you are all great fans ... wanna talk with the big guys but don't know that del piero never was in our primavera ...

he was bought from AC Padova in July, 1993 for 2m €, before that he played for Conegliano . . .

b2t: i would like to see stankovic be sold to a mediocre club so he can eat his fuckin statements against us, when he plays with crappy team mates against us next week and will be humiliated

 

[Osman]

We won Viareggio tourno in 94 thanks to Del Piero dominating it, so yeah he played for our youth team on and off.

In the first season, 93-94, he made his debute early (spectacurarly scored a hattrick against Parma in his first start) but played only 10 games in total that season. Rest of the time he was with the primavera quite a bit.

 

[Alen]

damn, you are all great fans ... wanna talk with the big guys but don't know that del piero never was in our primavera ...

he was bought from AC Padova in July, 1993 for 2m €, before that he played for Conegliano . . .

b2t: i would like to see stankovic be sold to a mediocre club so he can eat his fuckin statements against us, when he plays with crappy team mates against us next week and will be humiliated

We all know that we bought him from Padova. What we don't know is if he played at least one match for our primavera during his first season with Juve.
I always thought he didn't play at all with the Primavera until i read what Di Livio once said.
Angelo Di Livio: "I've met Ale at the Primavera. And he was already a phenomenon. He was so brave that we forced the coach to make him debut at the main team". "He has those abilities that only great stars have. And everyone, as soon as they saw him, said “This one will surely make it".

We won Viareggio tourno in 94 thanks to Del Piero dominating it, so yeah he played for our youth team on and off.

In the first season, 93-10, he made his debute early (spectacurarly scored a hattrick against Parma in his first start) but played only 10 games in total that season. Rest of the team he was with the primavera quite a bit.

Thank you.
Exactly what i suspected. It's the same case as it was with Giovinco 2 seasons ago and many more youngsters before that.
Giovinco did play for the senior team few matches in sere B but he played with Primavera most of the season.

 

[v1rtu4l]

i doubt you can take honours for a youth player that was originally taught to play football in another team ... just buying alex and playing him in the primavera does not tell anything about the quality of our youth team or the bonding of a player to a club ... technically a player that was in a club from the very beginnig, perhaps when the player is 6 years old could be considered a youth product of this club, but a player that is 19 has already learned the basics and strategy of footall.

 

[Alen]

i doubt you can take honours for a youth player that was originally taught to play football in another team ... just buying alex and playing him in the primavera does not tell anything about the quality of our youth team or the bonding of a player to a club ... technically a player that was in a club from the very beginnig, perhaps when the player is 6 years old could be considered a youth product of this club, but a player that is 19 has already learned the basics and strategy of footall.

Weak.

You claimed that he NEVER played for Primavera. Whatever you say now won't change the fact that you were wrong and you accused the others for not knowing anything while in reality you were the one who didn't know shit.

 

[Lawnchair Bes]

Lol, he didn't mean it the way you think.

why do i bother, the standards are too different. when juventus is accused of cheating it's like fist degree murder, must be proven beyond a reasonable doubt.

milan and all the other teams are accused of cheating and all you need is "hmmm, technically it is possible"

 

[Snoop]

Good post, sateeh.


This board is yet to earn the trust of the fans, you're certainly right about this. But if you take a closer look why is this board being so hated by the fans you'll see that it's due to many reasons, most of them wrong :

1. They replaced the beloved Moggi (it's not their fault they replaced him but they did and that's why they are bad now. That's psychology though and i don't really blame the fans for this. I expect the similar to happen to the poor guy who'll replace Del Piero when he'll retire)

2. They sold our stars (not their fault again, they had to do it, but the guys who sold Cannavaro and Zambrotta are authomatically incapable.....at least when you look with the eyes of the Juventus fans from 2006)

3. They replaced Thuram, Cannavaro, Zlatan, Emerson, Zambrotta with Bojinov, Zanetti, Palladino, Marchionni, Boumsong (again not their fault. In the minds of Juventini it's impossible to understand how could we replace world class players with average/bad players, but somehow people forgot that we were about to play in serie B)

4. Deschamps gave his resignation (now, the fans could be right here. The board might be guilty for this and they may have been wrong. We have no idea what was happening inside the club, though.)

5. Buffon will leave Juve, he'll go to Milan. Trez will leave us and go to Monaco while Camo will leave us and go to Inter ( everyone attacks the board during the mercato. Of course, none of this happened but at the time it seemed like it could happen and the fans remember that the board is incapable, they don't think anymore of the reason that made them think that way at first place)

6. Juve buys Iaquinta (awful player and awful decission by the board - the fans say)

7. Juve didn't buy vdV, Diego and Huntelaar (how could we not buy these guys ? No other team bought them and we weren't really in position to splash +20-30m for one player, but not buying them is a good reason to hate on the board.)

8. We didn't buy Milito (at the time Milito seemed like a world class defender. Ok, maybe the board should have acted much quicker but he was really expensive and a team that just got back from serie B and that was financially inferior to all the Barcelonas, Milans, Inters and Chelseas couldn't beat them on the market)

9. We sold Balzaretti ( imo, not a wrong decission but lets say that i can accept this as a bad move by the board)

10. We're going to sell Chiellini (we didn't at the end and we decided to keep him. The situation is similar to the situation from #5)

11. Now the season started and many more reasons to hate on the board..... Why the hell did we buy Tiago, Almiron, Criscito and Andrade ? (now we're hating the board for the same reasons we praised them only few months ago)

12. Why did we sell Mutu ? ( at the time, Mutu was probably the only one no-one cared about when Juve were selling players. Now after 2 years we hate the board for selling him)

13. OMG, we're going to buy Sissoko. The shittiest player in the world. Are Secco and co amateurs ? Call back Marchisio don't buy Shitsoko.

14. The papers say we might sell Giovinco (Cobolli said numerous times how Giovinco is untouchable, but we decided to trust the newspapers. One more reason to hate the board, they want to sell Giovinco)

15. Stankovic....


You see, the fans thought the board is incapable. As time goes on the fans still think the board is incapable but they slowly forget why did they think this way at first place. They only remember that the board is incapable.
While in reality, they think this way due to many wrong reasons that seemed like right reasons at the time.

you are waaaaay overgeneralizing everything my friend! One line from here and another from there, from an unofficial Juventus forum? and you are making it like the whole Juve fans think the same way? Don't take every line written here seriously, most of the kids here are between 12-18, and they don't represent any shit.

I don't like this board for a lot of reasons, not because of every little move they make. But mainly, because of their inconsistency. I don't understand why you are praising their transfer system, but any wise man would see what they have done the past two years in the market was a huge failure. Most of the players they brought didn't work, and Sissoko and Iaquinta are the exception. Thou, it seems we are going to sell Iaquinta too, not because of the news only, but because he was benched insanely last season, when he was top form!

We are going to sell Almiron, Tiago too. Not just this, we brought all these players for lot of costs. And for the managers, we brought Deschampes, he did a very good job, he took us to Serie A, then he is shown the door for unknown reasons, then we bring other average manager who never won anything in his life. Great stuff!

I don't like this board, and I don't believe they are going to put this club where it belongs. It's just Serie A is not the league it was before, that's why we could make this position this easy.

 

[Lawnchair Bes]

iaquinta was benched because the seria a two top golscorers got to play

 

[v1rtu4l]

You claimed that he NEVER played for Primavera. Whatever you say now won't change the fact that you were wrong and you accused the others for not knowing anything while in reality you were the one who didn't know shit.

Go play in the kindergarten with Andy ...
it seems like you're both are arguing the same way, like you was 8 years old.

the topic was, if you could call del piero a juve youth product ...

if inter don't sell stankovic mourinho is said to be wanting stankovic to train with their primavera ... does that make him a inter youth product.

you can pick small pieces of a statement and try to prove that they are wrong, but that doesn't make the point a was trying to make invalid. it just shows that you are a bad loser, so even my point was valid you try to find something bad, so you do not look wrong for the whole... poor character, but ok.

that's the way it is in a forum ... perhaps an age check would be something that would lift the niveau of this forum... and perhaps a sub-forum where those flame-kiddies and wanna-be wise-people can discuss their nonsense and prove that the other is wrong by counting the gramatic errors or something ... have fun, kids

 

[cyril]

Relax guys, we were just debating.
I dont think allen was trying to throw a punch at you. Lets all chill.

 

[Alen]

you are waaaaay overgeneralizing everything my friend! .

I don't think so.

I believe this is how everything started. Since the very first minute, before they made a single transfer, this board was underestimated and disliked by the fans. The impression was that they've stolen the crown from it's rightful owner (Moggi) and it was easy to hate on them and criticize every single move they made or didn't make.

That post of mine you quoted was writen only to remind you how everything started and how the hatred developed for SOME ( most ? ) of the fans.

I don't understand why you are praising their transfer system, but any wise man would see what they have done the past two years in the market was a huge failure

Dunno how did you get the impression that i like our transfers. I didn't like most of the choices and i was wrong, just like the board, about some of the transfers because i thought it's a great transfer while in fact it turned out that it was a bad transfer.

I'm not praising the board at all. It's foolish to do so because they didn't deserve that.

But i am defending them from some fan attacks, you're right about that.
People attack them for selling our stars during calciopoli, people attack them for not replacing the stars with other stars, people attack them for not spending as much as the other giants and they don't even ask themselves if we are financilly at the same level with those teams who didn't miss CL for 2 years in a row, didn't play serie B and didn't lose hundreds of millions. People attack them whenever a newspaper invents a story how we'll sell this guy or buy that guy.

I'm defending the board from the attacks of the spoiled fans.

 

[Alen]

Go play in the kindergarten with Andy ...
it seems like you're both are arguing the same way, like you was 8 years old.

the topic was, if you could call del piero a juve youth product ...

if inter don't sell stankovic mourinho is said to be wanting stankovic to train with their primavera ... does that make him a inter youth product.

you can pick small pieces of a statement and try to prove that they are wrong, but that doesn't make the point a was trying to make invalid. it just shows that you are a bad loser, so even my point was valid you try to find something bad, so you do not look wrong for the whole... poor character, but ok.

that's the way it is in a forum ... perhaps an age check would be something that would lift the niveau of this forum... and perhaps a sub-forum where those flame-kiddies and wanna-be wise-people can discuss their nonsense and prove that the other is wrong by counting the gramatic errors or something ... have fun, kids

Listen, you came here and called us "great fans who don't know anything".
You started everything and now you accuse us again for arguing with you.

You could have writen that Del Piero can not be counted as our youth product because it takes more than few matches in Primavera to be counted as youth product and everything would have been fine.
We were discussing if Del Piero ever played for our Primavera and if one single minute played in Primavera is enough to count him as a club-trained player (we need to have 4 of these in our 25 men squad , according to UEFA CL regulations)

Then you pop up and you attacked us for not knowing that we bought him from Padova (is there a Juve fan who doesn't know this ?) and how we have no idea what we are talking about.

Your behaviour deserved my reply, don't act like it was uncalled for.

Now calm down and continue with your involvement in this discussion only if you have anything helpful to add. If you plan to continue insulting me or anyone else then be prepared for the consequences.

 

[Oggy]

damn, you are all great fans ... wanna talk with the big guys but don't know that del piero never was in our primavera ...

he was bought from AC Padova in July, 1993 for 2m €, before that he played for Conegliano . . .

We bought him from Padova??? Damn, I never knew that! Maybe we should create thread about that, and in that thread you could give us more informations and maybe some day we will become big guys too.

@bolded part: read osman's reply big guy.

We won Viareggio tourno in 94 thanks to Del Piero dominating it, so yeah he played for our youth team on and off.

In the first season, 93-10, he made his debute early (spectacurarly scored a hattrick against Parma in his first start) but played only 10 games in total that season. Rest of the team he was with the primavera quite a bit.

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i doubt you can take honours for a youth player that was originally taught to play football in another team ... just buying alex and playing him in the primavera does not tell anything about the quality of our youth team or the bonding of a player to a club ... technically a player that was in a club from the very beginnig, perhaps when the player is 6 years old could be considered a youth product of this club, but a player that is 19 has already learned the basics and strategy of footall.

First thing is that we didn't discussed is Alex our youth product or not, we talked about player registrations for CL, so please try to read more than one reply Big Guy.

Second if you think that only player who's been with his club from age of six is youth product of that club, than there is no youth products in this world.

 

[DelpieroForLife]

Our board sucks Alen... and you sucks on defending them.

 

[C4ISR]

“We are looking for a quality midfielder and a goalkeeper. We don’t want to take the fans for a ride and will keep our feet on the ground, so those are the only arrivals,” general manager Jean Claude Blanc told Tuttosport.

http://www.channel4.com/sport/football_italia/jun29k.html

As quoted by Tuttosport, so I aint to worried.

However, I was under the impression that Stankovic would be signed in addition to Xabi or whoever is chosen at cm. If were just planning on signing Stankovic, than I'm completely against this transfer.

 

[HAZEM]

Guys calm down , why u take arguments to this level ?? everybody should respect the opinions of the others cause who knows , maybe he is right and u are wrong ... and this is place to have fun and everybody says his opinion ... BTW FUCK stankovic I DON'T NEED THIS BITCH HERE ......

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

Firs thing is that noone knows how Gio will play for us, and it's hard to expect that he will immediately replace Nedved.

And yes Stankovic is definitly better than Marchionni. You said that with this statement: "Better than Marchionni? That's an unfair statement because he's rarely been fit for us" - Exactly, he is never fit unlike Stankovic who at least can play football. What's the use of a player that can play 5-10 matches during a season. And the other part of your sentence: "but he has done well when he played, and for Parma he was always great." - It shows how biased you are, you say that Marchionni was great at Parma, so was Stankovic with Lazio and Inter (mostly), so get your facts right.

Of course we don't know how Gio will play for us, but we have Nedved and Gio in that LM position and they are both better than Stankovic. What is the point of getting Stankovic if he's gonna play the way he did for the last seasons? We don't know that he will, just like we don't know how gGo will play, but I prefer taking a risk with Gio thanm spending that amount of money on someone who has been shit on a consistent basis for 2 years. Think about it. inter don't want him anymore, we want to win titles as soon as possible, yet they're improving their side while we go for players that aren't good enough for our diirect competitors.

Some might say, "It's the best we can get given our financial situation." Look at Fiorentina and Napoli, they are buying cheap, quality players, while we are linke with expensive shit. If we don't watch our backs Fiorentina might finish ahead of us in Serie A with that team they're building.

I understand what you say about Marchionni never being fit, making him almost useless. True. But Stankovic maybe was great at Lazio, but not at inter recently, even you recognise that with the "mostly' on brackets, although it should have been (sometimes, over a year ago). How important was he in inter's tile wins over the last 2 years? He is not an investment, he is old. A slightly younger, shittier version of Nedved, less creative, maybe more stamina, an annoying long range shot.

Remembver, that is just considering the the technical aspect, not the, filthy inter scum that he is, with no respect for Juventus. You have to question the person's integrity when he is a "loyl interisti" and then decides to come Juve when he is not wanted. Yes, yes, Cannavaro did it too, okay, but I don't think he ever became an interisti. he wasn't there very long,, and wasn't wanted by the club, as can be seen with how easily he was let go.

 

[JCK]

What has Deschamps won other than Serie B?

 

[JCK]

blanc is shit... stankovis gonna be a flop like all the players this current board bought...
our main problem is the board... made up of idiots...

Flops like Iaquinta or more like Sissoko?