[SPA] La Liga 2010/2011 (9 Viewers)

Alen

Ѕenior Аdmin
Apr 2, 2007
54,025
It was priceless how Ramos fucked up his relationship with half of his NT colleagues.
I liked what he did to that overrated long haired bitch though. He should have punched him harder.

And Messi is obviously still not experienced enough. When you're leading 5:0 and you have opponents who feel humiliated, angry and ready to kill someone, you don't go on to dribble them in the last seconds and try to humiliate them even more because you can end up with a broken leg. He got lucky tonight but some other time it can end up bad for him.
 

juve2

Junior Member
Apr 16, 2010
305
In what way though? Straight 4-4-2 with little possession?

I don't think we would have faired much better, especially with our fullbacks. But then again, Barca wouldn't have been as pumped for the match, plus they seem a bit more restless against Italian sides.

Overall, there isn't really any basis for saying we would have done better than Mourinho.
For one thing we wouldn't have played 4 as attacking minded players like Ozil, Ronaldo, Di Maria and Benzema at Camp Nou. We can absorb pressure like we showed against Inter and Roma in a way that Real probably can't because they don't need to.

But yes, this is purely speculation.
 

Hist

Founder of Hism
Jan 18, 2009
11,624
Who is to blame for this thrashing? Mourinho more than anybody else.
This is not a replication of his Inter tactic.

Inter defended deep, madrid did not.

Inter's cambiasso and Zanetti were instructed to protect the back four more than anything. Khedira, Lass and Alonso did not even try.

Sneijder was asked to go back to defend before he drove forward, and so was eto and pandev. Ozil, Ronaldo and Maria did not. Inter had only milito waiting upfront.

This was not a defensive game in any sense... Mou wanted to prove he can beat barca in open play, the way he beats other spanish mickey mouse teams. He really did not adapt his style for barca and that cost him a LOT.
You can see why he did not play a defensive game since his defenders are not like Inter's. This game reminds me of Barca's win against Manutd in the final, only this time Barca had a PERFECT game from each single player and messi is much better than 2 years ago, not to mention villa instead of Henry.

Mourinho fucked up big time. The game might have been different if he had defended deep and relied on counters. Offside trap..really?

I do not blame the madrid defense in anyway. their back 4 already includes a player that cannot defend and they always faced atleast 3 players (Villa,Messi & Pedro) running at them with no support from the midfield at all. If you had a nesta,cannavaro,maldini,cafu defense they would have conceded when they defend so high up the pitch against 3 world class players, not to mention the best midfield in the world.

Perez will probably retaliate with another 100 million of spending but that will not solve his problems. Mourinho had his day today... everyone has a day..he is not invincible.
 
Sep 1, 2002
12,745
I'm finding that in all the leagues. I really do prefer the old days (for me) of Bundesliga, Serie A and La Liga, back around the turn of the century. Miss watching players like Zizou, Rivaldo, Mostovoi, Scholl and others. Seemed more about football back then, as opposed to today's hype.
That's done it: nostalgia time.

Zizou
Davids
Conte
Et al

Hagi
Cantona
Klinsman
Et al


Stoitchkov
Laudrup (Michael)
Sukor
Et al

Blanc
Kahn (Oli)
Djalminha, Valeron, Tristan
Et al
 

HAZEM

L'architetto
Apr 22, 2008
8,219
It was priceless how Ramos fucked up his relationship with half of his NT colleagues.
I liked what he did to that overrated long haired bitch though. He should have punched him harder.

And Messi is obviously still not experienced enough. When you're leading 5:0 and you have opponents who feel humiliated, angry and ready to kill someone, you don't go on to dribble them in the last seconds and try to humiliate them even more because you can end up with a broken leg. He got lucky tonight but some other time it can end up bad for him.
very true specially the messi's part.
 

Hist

Founder of Hism
Jan 18, 2009
11,624
In what way though? Straight 4-4-2 with little possession?

I don't think we would have faired much better, especially with our fullbacks. But then again, Barca wouldn't have been as pumped for the match, plus they seem a bit more restless against Italian sides.

Overall, there isn't really any basis for saying we would have done better than Mourinho.
Park the bus very deep and get Aquaman to play through balls to the pacey Krasic and leave IQ/amauri upfront to head the ball in the net. You will definitely not concede five and you might end up stealing a point even.

Not 4-4-2.. more 4-5-1

Grygera - Chiellini - Bonucci - whoever
Melo- Sissoko- Marchisio
Krasic- Aquaman
IQ
 

K.O.

Senior Member
Nov 24, 2005
13,883
It was priceless how Ramos fucked up his relationship with half of his NT colleagues.
I liked what he did to that overrated long haired bitch though. He should have punched him harder.
That was hilarious :D specially when Xavi entered the pitch like he's going to calm down the situation and got shoved by Ramos too.
 

Alen

Ѕenior Аdmin
Apr 2, 2007
54,025
very true specially the messi's part.
I actually support what Messi is trying to do. He just wants to play football. But it's not robots who play it and emotions play a huge part. That's why, since it's impossible to change human's nature, he should be smarter and not risk his career when there is no need to do it.
Ronaldo used to do it a lot in Manchester. Trying to humiliate the opponent even more than it already was. Lately he cooled down a little, even though he still does it from time to time.
 

HAZEM

L'architetto
Apr 22, 2008
8,219
I actually support what Messi is trying to do. He just wants to play football. But it's not robots who play it and emotions play a huge part. That's why, since it's impossible to change human's nature, he should be smarter and not risk his career when there is no need to do it.
Ronaldo used to do it a lot in Manchester. Trying to humiliate the opponent even more than it already was. Lately he cooled down a little, even though he still does it from time to time.
agree!
 

Hist

Founder of Hism
Jan 18, 2009
11,624
I actually support what Messi is trying to do. He just wants to play football. But it's not robots who play it and emotions play a huge part. That's why, since it's impossible to change human's nature, he should be smarter and not risk his career when there is no need to do it.
Ronaldo used to do it a lot in Manchester. Trying to humiliate the opponent even more than it already was. Lately he cooled down a little, even though he still does it from time to time.
The whole purpose of the match after it was 3-0 was to make madrid go nuts.. all the backheels and the non-stop passing.. they didnt even run at the goal... they were just having fun to piss off madrid's players. They could have scored 8 if they wanted to... it was just more fun to watch the madridistas chase the ball.
 

da_ledgeaun

The Juve Freak
Jun 2, 2007
6,611
el classico is just 3 points,but mourinho should really just play his best tactics,which is counter attack and defend deep..madrid's midfield was crap,not helping in defense,at least one should always help,khedira really is not that good..but sergio busquets,and iniesta really really played well..and gaymos,he is just getting worse..
 

Alen

Ѕenior Аdmin
Apr 2, 2007
54,025
The whole purpose of the match after it was 3-0 was to make madrid go nuts.. all the backheels and the non-stop passing.. they didnt even run at the goal... they were just having fun to piss off madrid's players. They could have scored 8 if they wanted to... it was just more fun to watch the madridistas chase the ball.
And they did piss them off badly. That's exactly why in the last minute of the match Messi should have tried to stay as further away from the ball as possible instead of trying to make a solo run straight to the goal. That was what those three who took him down were waiting for. Madrid were already humiliated and it couldn't really get any worse. There was no point taking the risk Messi took.
 

Bjerknes

"Top Economist"
Mar 16, 2004
116,251
That's done it: nostalgia time.

Zizou
Davids
Conte
Et al

Hagi
Cantona
Klinsman
Et al


Stoitchkov
Laudrup (Michael)
Sukor
Et al

Blanc
Kahn (Oli)
Djalminha, Valeron, Tristan
Et al
I came into the footballing world in 1994 during the World Cup, but could only start watching it regularly in 1998. So therefore, I missed the best of Baggio, Hagi, Stoichkov, Cantona, et cetera. Still good memories from all you mentioned, apart from Klinsmann. But there was plenty on display back then, especially in free playmaker role.
 

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