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giovanotti

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Ok Nick, but they are still buying and buying (real madrid, Chelsea, Man City and Barca in that group).
The main question is how does it function, all those the clubs are in debts but they still buy like it is a false news.
 

JuveJay

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Don't worry about Barca or Madrid, they will always have something to fall back on, legal or not. It's the mid-small clubs in that league are in the shit, some are spending more than they turnover on wages, tiny clubs.
 

Gabriel

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May 23, 2010
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Ok Nick, but they are still buying and buying (real madrid, Chelsea, Man City and Barca in that group).
The main question is how does it function, all those the clubs are in debts but they still buy like it is a false news.
Chelsea is actually debt free, Abramovich cleared the whole debt.


Barca and Real's main income comes from publicity, TV deals, sponsors, they're not football clubs anymore but global companies.

not to mention that real has "unlimited" funds due to the backing of a bank that keeps loaning to them.
 

giovanotti

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Don't worry about Barca or Madrid, they will always have something to fall back on, legal or not. It's the mid-small clubs in that league are in the shit, some are spending more than they turnover on wages, tiny clubs.
But if they're spending a lot while being in debt they would bankrupt sooner or later, right?

Man we spent 35 mil Euros to bring 5 players, while Man City bought Silva for nearly 40 mil. :confused:
 

Gabriel

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But if they're spending a lot while being in debt they would bankrupt sooner or later, right?

Man we spent 35 mil Euros to bring 5 players, while Man City bought Silva for nearly 40 mil. :confused:
They should, but i wouldn't count on it. They will always have something to fall on to.
 

giovanotti

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Chelsea is actually debt free, Abramovich cleared the whole debt.


Barca and Real's main income comes from publicity, TV deals, sponsors, they're not football clubs anymore but global companies.

not to mention that real has "unlimited" funds due to the backing of a bank that keeps loaning to them.
But didn't the whole banking system fall apart because of those "unlimited loans" stuff?

Sorry for not being quite familiar with these economic issues but I don't understand how it works for some clubs.
 

icemaη

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If there's somebody willing to bank role the debt, then they don't have anything to worry about. Because they are a global brand, banks wouldn't have trouble giving money to Barca. Only once it gets to astronomical proportions does things get ugly.
 

giovanotti

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icεmαή;2607005 said:
If there's somebody willing to bank role the debt, then they don't have anything to worry about. Because they are a global brand, banks wouldn't have trouble giving money to Barca. Only once it gets to astronomical proportions does things get ugly.
Does it get ugly when it gets several hundreds of million ?
 

Gabriel

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But didn't the whole banking system fall apart because of those "unlimited loans" stuff?

Sorry for not being quite familiar with these economic issues but I don't understand how it works for some clubs.
I'm not really familiar with the economics of these two clubs. However, Real as far as i know is the club with the biggest revenue, followed by Barcelona. season 2008-2009 Real had an income of 409m Euros.( i think barca surpassed it last season though)

And yes, both the EPL and La Liga have serious economic troubles, however the teams that would suffer the most are the smaller sides. See, Mallorca won't compete in the europa league due to finance problems and they're already looking for a buyer.

Barcelona and Real would have no problems since there will always be someone willing to bank role their debts as they're global companies.

La Liga has a negative return of assests (ROA) of -7%, EPL ROA is of -5%, and Serie A's ROA is of -12%

The three big leagues are in trouble and as far as i know if one of the leagues falls down it would drag the other ones and the system would fall apart kinda like the greece situation.

The whole football economic system is messed up and its practically a bubble about to explode, that's why UEFA are implementing new rules. I assume.

Look, if the EPL, La Liga and Serie A were normal companies they would declare bankrupcy in less than 2 years.


That's according to my understanding and what i've read. someone with better economics knowledge could make it more clear.
 

giovanotti

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I'm not really familiar with the economics of these two clubs. However, Real as far as i know is the club with the biggest revenue, followed by Barcelona. season 2008-2009 Real had an income of 409m Euros.( i think barca surpassed it last season though)

And yes, both the EPL and La Liga have serious economic troubles, however the teams that would suffer the most are the smaller sides. See, Mallorca won't compete in the europa league to finance problems and they're already looking for a buyer.

Barcelona and Real would have no problems since there will always be someone willing to bank role their debts as they're global companies.

La Liga has a negative return of assests (ROA) of -7%, EPL ROA is of -5%, and Serie A's ROA is of -12%

The three big leagues are in trouble and as far as i know if one of the leagues falls down it would drag the other ones and the system would fall apart kinda like the greece situation.

The whole football economic system is messed up and its practically a bubble about to explode, that's why UEFA are implementing new rules. I assume.

Look, if the EPL, La Liga and Serie A were normal normal companies they would declare bankrupcy in less than 2 years.


That's according to my understanding and what i've read. someone with better economics knowledge could make it more clear.
Nice explanation Enginehead, :tup: but if the UEFA is implementing the new rules how come Man City spent so much money?
 

Gabriel

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Nice explanation Enginehead, :tup: but if the UEFA is implementing the new rules how come Man City spent so much money?
The rule as far as i know is that the club won't be able to spend more than the income they get. However, the rule is not implemented yet so City is spending while they can i would think.

They don't seem to care about the new homegrown rule in EPL though. :shifty:

To be honest i don't think they even have a serious business plan.
 

giovanotti

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The rule as far as i know is that the club won't be able to spend more than the income they get. However, the rule is not implemented yet so City is spending while they can i would think.

However, they don't seem to care about the new homegrown rule in EPL. :shifty:

I don't think they even have a serious plan.
Their plan is to buy as lot of new big names as they can.

Just remember 4 or 5 seasons ago they struggled to attract players like Bellamy.
 

Gabriel

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Their plan is to buy as lot of new big names as they can.

Just remember 4 or 5 seasons ago they struggled to attract players like Bellamy.
Yet they made a lot of signings lasts seasons and they're trying to get rid of several of those players that are on gigantic wages, and as no clubs would want to pay that sort of wages they're stuck with the players, like Juve for example. I wouldn't want to pay the bills of a team where every player is on 150k p/w, besides that would mean that whenever they want to get rid of one of those they would have to pay them compensation or won't be able to sell thus the player leeching their money.

That's what i'm saying they don't even seem to have a serious business plan, they're only stocking "superstars" and have no vision whatsoever towards the future.

They're ignoring the rule that sets a minimum of english players in their team also and keep buying foreign players.
 

only-juve

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Jan 5, 2008
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Many "big" companies in the world have huge debts yet they've been functioning for years now without any problems.

The U.S federal debt is 8 and a half trillion dollars, yet they're the biggest most influential market in the world by far. Debt isn't healthy thats true but it doesn't mean you'll go bankrupt if you have a big debt....
 

giovanotti

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Many "big" companies in the world have huge debts yet they've been functioning for years now without any problems.

The U.S federal debt is 8 and a half trillion dollars, yet they're the biggest most influential market in the world by far. Debt isn't healthy thats true but it doesn't mean you'll go bankrupt if you have a big debt....
So basically our business policy is wrong, we should be in debt too and buy several players to reinforce our squad and become competitive and successful again?
 
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    Many "big" companies in the world have huge debts yet they've been functioning for years now without any problems.

    The U.S federal debt is 8 and a half trillion dollars, yet they're the biggest most influential market in the world by far. Debt isn't healthy thats true but it doesn't mean you'll go bankrupt if you have a big debt....
    It can't last forever and it has to collapse some time, that's the bottom line.
     

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