[SPA] La Liga 2009/2010 (14 Viewers)

only-juve

Senior Member
Jan 5, 2008
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I wouldn't fall into that trap, Dule. Bookies have HUGE influence in football and they're certainly ruining it in some ways, but not every surprising result means it was fixed. Many times the big favorite is indeed trying to win and gives it all, but fails to do it. Imo that was the case with Barca against Rubin.

But this particular case with Real and this amateur team is not such case. Under no circumstances an 11 men Real Madrid team can lose 4:0 away to a 3rd division team unless they lost on purpose.
And i'm not talking Bwin here. I'm talking mafia and asian bookies who accept 10 million euro bets.
And most of the money here were made in live betting, I'm sure about it.

Before the start of the match, the home win was valued around 8.00 and a home win by 2 or more goals was valued 15.00. A 3 million bet on this brings you 45m euro.
Then during live betting, when Real were down by 1 and everyone was betting Real to turn it around, you keep putting money on Alcorcon to keep the win and score the next goal. In the end, with some 10m eur you can come out with a 150m eur profit.
Fron one single match, Perez will get back half of the money he invested in this team.
With one more such surprise, which probably won't happen because it will be too suspicious, or better, with 3 more smaller surprises (some 1:2 home defeat against a complete outsider in La Liga), Perez will get back all the invested money and everyone's happy. The banks, the state etc will be paid back, Perez will get money back, and even if they risk a trophyless season, they have the super strong team without losing a penny in the process.

Alcorcon didn't even know what happened. The only thing they had to do was to score to make Perez's plan work. And even if they didn't, Real were gonna score owngoals (actually, they did score one) and lose this match by 2 or more goals.
Good logic reall,

But i just doubt Real would risk their reputation for such a move. And to bet 3-4 millions on a 3rd division team to win over Madrid in such a game would definately be suspicious for the bookies. A move like that would not pass easilly on them....
 

V

Senior Member
Jun 8, 2005
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Good logic reall,

But i just doubt Real would risk their reputation for such a move. And to bet 3-4 millions on a 3rd division team to win over Madrid in such a game would definately be suspicious for the bookies. A move like that would not pass easilly on them....
You should read his post again, a couple of times again.
 

KB824

Senior Member
Sep 16, 2003
31,789
Bah, westerners. You're so naive.
I'm now thinking about packing my bags, visit you all and rob the shit out of you. It's gonna be too easy.
Oh yes, because we know nothing about match fixing.

I just want my theory to be correct, because its a lot more fun for me
 

KB824

Senior Member
Sep 16, 2003
31,789
Alen, if your theory is correct, and it is proven to be true, then not only should Perez be banned from ever owning a team again, then all the players should be banned permanently.

No excuses, no exceptions.
 

Alen

Ѕenior Аdmin
Apr 2, 2007
54,006
But i just doubt Real would risk their reputation for such a move.
It's one man. Perez. The others all depend on him and listen to him. He's a businessman, he probably even has debts to repay for what he did with Real.
How much do you think would he care about the reputation of the club if we're talking hundreds of millions in return?


And to bet 3-4 millions on a 3rd division team to win over Madrid in such a game would definately be suspicious for the bookies. A move like that would not pass easilly on them....
This is true, but you must know that the big bettors have huge privileges with the bookies and they're allowed to take bets the other bettors won't be allowed to do. The underground bookies, the Asians, give better conditions to these bettors. They give them better odds, they give them chances to bet even on matches that are blocked for the others, they don't have the same limits the other bettors do and they can put more money. Every single bookie, even the local ones, have such "customers" and they're actually fighting to get more such people bet there.
Perez didn't put 3-4m in his pockets and didn't go to the bookmakers to put the money on the HW. He did it via other people and most probably not just in one single bookie. Those 3-4m we're speculating with, might have been put in 10 different bookies (~300k in every bookie).
Even I, a no-one, know people who bet 100k weekly in the asians. Imagine how easily it would be for Perez?
 

Alen

Ѕenior Аdmin
Apr 2, 2007
54,006
@Alen

It's a Huge risk but If that was the case, then this might be the biggest scandal ever in football.
They'll never be caught.
Some random dudes like you and me can speculate all day long, and some more powerful people and organizations can even investigate this case, but a man as powerful as Perez wouldn't have done it if he wasn't completely sure that he won't be caught.

Even an organization as powerful as UEFA is having tough time to prove the fixing happening in the poorer countries (which is happening all the fucking time, every single day), who don't even bother too much to cover what they did. It's gonna be million times harder to prove the wrong doings of the big fish.
And even if they can do it, the good old fashioned bribery will cover the traces.
 

Oggy

and the Cockroaches
Dec 27, 2005
7,514
It's not twisted, it's logical, and I fully understan what he is talking about and I'm sure that there is truth.

If only Alen would give us some tips he gets from other bookies we could be rich :D
 

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