Serie B: Pescara-Juventus [03-31-2007] (16 Viewers)

Marc

Softcore Juventino
Jul 14, 2006
21,649
Thanx for player ratings, Swag. :tup: This is what Stefano di Martino thinks of our players today:

Buffon 6
Zebina 6 (59´Birindelli 7)
Boumsong 6
Chiellini 6
Balzaretti 6
Marchionni 5,5(68´ Palladino 6)
Zanetti 6
Giannichedda 6
Nedved 6
Del Piero 6
Zalayeta 5,5

Deschamps 6
 

Buy on AliExpress.com

Alltagsheld

Senior Member
Oct 10, 2006
3,183
Wow. While I agree with some of Vinman's commentary here, I gotta break ranks big time on some of the comments.

The team definitely came out sluggish from an NT hangover. The first half lacked energy and purposefulness. And I completely agree that Zala was the wrong choice to start -- over Boji or Palla for that matter. Throughout much the match, DP was setting up our best plays and there was no one around capable of finishing. Even an out-of-from Trez here would have been a godsend.

The second half was complete, relentless Juve pressure to find the one-up goal...which took some 30 minutes of play to finally get at that pace. And it came from Didi's two subs on the play: a corner from Palla to a breaking Biri with a great one-touch over the goalie.

As a result, this match was very much a model for the "Juventus Serie B Community Service"-type matches we sometimes have this season. We took what should have been an easy match and made it look a hell of a lot harder than it should have been. Happy for the three points on the road, of course. But we took too much energy to do what little we did. Capello would have not been pleased. ;)

Buffon - 6 - Never really threatened much, and played his role well.

Zebina - 5 - This guy has had worse matches, but this was one of his poorer matches. Hacking defensive moves that earned him at least one yellow card and was verging on his second. When he got engaged in the offensive play he did little with the ball and squandered opportunities. Defensively he was decent on the wings, but when he had to fill centrally he mistimed tackles and headers and made a mess of things. A better opposing attack would have toasted him for at least one or two goals today -- Deschamps was wise to pull him, even if we needed more help up front for our first sub.

Chiellini - 6 - Generally efficient, but nothing special. Not challenged much, and didn't make many good plays either. Certainly nothing offensively.

Boumsong - 6 - He allowed his man to get by him once or maybe twice. But he showed great recovery in hunting down the guy with the ball. Overall, he was our best defender on the back line today. And some of his headers at the other end created some near chances.

Balzaretti - 5 - He has played so much better before. His crosses were weak. A couple of times his upfield passes went completely to the wrong team and almost cost us a counter-attack crisis here and there (we were lucky not to have been burned). Added little offensively.

Nedved - 6 - He was an engine, but not the engine that could. His assists could have been more accurate, and he forced a few shots in traffic that should have been kicked wide. But he was creating some chaos up front.

Giannichedda - 5 - Combined with Zanetti today, the core of our midfield was poor. Possession consisted of a good challenge to win the ball here and there, but a completely useless or errant pass to turn it over right away afterwards. Giannichedda embodied that. He was better in our own box as a defender than anything he contributed beyond our own box.

Zanetti - 5 - Like Giannichedda, he added nothing to our forward movement. Some bad tackling. Sloppy. Just sloppy.

Marchionni - 5.5 - He's played better matches by far. His crosses were weak, as was his decision-making when it came to passing targets. I couldn't help but get the sense of all the things Camo could have done in his place given the same situations he was in today. The best play he had all day was deciding to dribble into the box more, when he had space, which lead to the DP PK. His shot on goal was terrible, so it was fortunate he used Pescara's defensive packing to his advantage and caught an arm. Otherwise, he was never threatening in his crosses and assists, and he was even less threatening when attempting shots at goal.

Zalayeta - 5 - Completely non-threatening. We could have replaced him out there with a teddy bear on the pitch and done just about as well. His best moves were in forcing the ball forward, catching passes down the wing, and kicking them back to someone else. Never seemed to break free, never seem to do anything constructive with his touches. Deadwood today.

Del Piero - 6.5 - Yes, he missed a PK. But he had to get my MOM. He was the only real force on the pitch today that was really generating anything of any real threat. It just throttled him that Pescara packed so many in the box and he had not a single finisher on the pitch to make use of his ball movement and maneuvers to create space.

Subs:

Birindelli - 6.5 - Beautiful one-touch goal. I thought bringing him in over Zebina was a wise move because Juve were proving that they could safely send their defensive wings forward and get involved in the play, and Zebina was not getting it done at all. Biri has been in better crossing form in recent months, but it was his finish that won it for us. Add that he wasn't going to hack his way to a red card like Zebina was about to, and it was a surprising early sub but a critical one nonetheless.

Palladino - 6 - When he came on, I could almost sense the difference in out offensive confidence. He controlled the ball far better than Zala and created a few chances.

Marchesio - NR - Not on long enough.

DD - 6 - Not one of his best coached matches by far. But we got the points on the road, and it was his two first subs that were responsible for the goal that finally broke the match open. His choice to start Zala was nonsensical at best. Leaving Boji on the bench today was irresponsible, really. But his choice to sub Biri for Zebina and Palla for Marchionni were both solid choices -- though the latter one should have been made earlier on.
Sounds reliable, thanks for the effort, +rep
 

Dominic

Senior Member
Jan 30, 2004
16,706
Thanx for player ratings, Swag. :tup: This is what Stefano di Martino thinks of our players today:

Buffon 6
Zebina 6 (59´Birindelli 7)
Boumsong 6
Chiellini 6
Balzaretti 6
Marchionni 5,5(68´ Palladino 6)
Zanetti 6
Giannichedda 6
Nedved 6
Del Piero 6
Zalayeta 5,5

Deschamps 6
Marchionni was the worst :lol:.

How opinions can differ..

Edit: Oh and as always, thanks for the reports.
 

swag

L'autista
Administrator
Sep 23, 2003
84,790
Thanx for player ratings, Swag. :tup: This is what Stefano di Martino thinks of our players today:

Buffon 6
Zebina 6 (59´Birindelli 7)
Boumsong 6
Chiellini 6
Balzaretti 6
Marchionni 5,5(68´ Palladino 6)
Zanetti 6
Giannichedda 6
Nedved 6
Del Piero 6
Zalayeta 5,5

Deschamps 6
Thanks, Mark. Other than I was pretty harsh on Zebina, Zanetti, and Giannichedda, it looks like I pretty much agree with Stefano. ;)
 

sateeh

Day Walker
Jul 28, 2003
8,020
I thought we were sluggish most of the game...the international break did this team no good

we had way too many bad passes, shots off target, and I had a sense that the players werent into this game...it just seemed like they didnt want to run today. More than a few times I saw a player with the ball with 2 guys on him looking for a pass, with no one coming to the ball

All that said, my biggest criticism is for our illustrious coach, DeCHUMPS

Would someone PLEASE tell me WHY Zala deserved the full 90 minutes ?? He missed passes and shots that most professional football players wouldnt on their worst day. Zala isnt worth a full tank of gas for the team bus, so why does this idiot insist on playing him ??

The best player on the field today was Marchionni...he is starting to show some serious improvement, and what does DD do...he subs him out for Palla, when Palla should have replaced Zala, not Marchionni !!!

The other sub I couldnt figure out for the life of me was Zebina for Biri. Zebina wasnt hurt, or being beaten by his man, so why replace him ?? He got forward a few times, and had a decent game....I dont remember him receiving a yellow card, and if he did, it wasnt a reason to replace him. I know some fools here will say "well, Biri scored for us"...that is true, but Biri wasnt brought in for his scoring prowess, and its not an every game occurance by any means

Once again, Boji is left on the bench...good job DD !!!!:tdown:


Buffon- not too much to do, but perfect when called on

Zebina- did fine...no idea why he was subbed

Boumsong- let his man turn in the box for a point blank shot at Buffon, stumbled once on an attack, luckily nothing came of it (is he wearing Nike boots ?? He always stumbles at the worst times)

Chellini- he played pretty well defensive, a mixed bag with his passes

Balza- defensively sound...but TERRIBLE on passes and crosses today

Marchionni- MOM, he came into his own today, and played very positive. He needs to play more

Zanetti and Gianni- both had some problems today- Pescara wasnt afraid to attack on the counter, both had to get pretty physical to slow down Pescara's speed

Neddy- not his best game, he missed some shots and some of his passes were off (we are used to perfection from him !!) He got into the middle consistently, which is where he belongs

Zala- pure crap...cant pass, cant shoot, waste of space. If he wants to remain in Turin, hand him a shovel and a hose and make him a groundskeeper at the stadium.

DP- not his best day either, missing a PK. He tried to make things happen, but was always covered by 2 defenders

Palla- came in in the second half for Marchionni, and had the corner kick which led to the goal...otherwise, he was pretty anonymous

Biri- scored our only goal, and did fine defensively


Play of the game part 1- DP showing his acting skills by demonstrating to the ref how Pescara defender Zoppetti faked an injury (which earned him an academy award...I mean a yellow card !!:D )

Play of the game part 2- Zanetti missed a slide tackle on a Pescara mid in the 79th minute, and decided to take him down American football style, by grabbing his leg , and pulling him down :pint:
Wow. While I agree with some of Vinman's commentary here, I gotta break ranks big time on some of the comments.

The team definitely came out sluggish from an NT hangover. The first half lacked energy and purposefulness. And I completely agree that Zala was the wrong choice to start -- over Boji or Palla for that matter. Throughout much the match, DP was setting up our best plays and there was no one around capable of finishing. Even an out-of-from Trez here would have been a godsend.

The second half was complete, relentless Juve pressure to find the one-up goal...which took some 30 minutes of play to finally get at that pace. And it came from Didi's two subs on the play: a corner from Palla to a breaking Biri with a great one-touch over the goalie.

As a result, this match was very much a model for the "Juventus Serie B Community Service"-type matches we sometimes have this season. We took what should have been an easy match and made it look a hell of a lot harder than it should have been. Happy for the three points on the road, of course. But we took too much energy to do what little we did. Capello would have not been pleased. ;)

Buffon - 6 - Never really threatened much, and played his role well.

Zebina - 5 - This guy has had worse matches, but this was one of his poorer matches. Hacking defensive moves that earned him at least one yellow card and was verging on his second. When he got engaged in the offensive play he did little with the ball and squandered opportunities. Defensively he was decent on the wings, but when he had to fill centrally he mistimed tackles and headers and made a mess of things. A better opposing attack would have toasted him for at least one or two goals today -- Deschamps was wise to pull him, even if we needed more help up front for our first sub.

Chiellini - 6 - Generally efficient, but nothing special. Not challenged much, and didn't make many good plays either. Certainly nothing offensively.

Boumsong - 6 - He allowed his man to get by him once or maybe twice. But he showed great recovery in hunting down the guy with the ball. Overall, he was our best defender on the back line today. And some of his headers at the other end created some near chances.

Balzaretti - 5 - He has played so much better before. His crosses were weak. A couple of times his upfield passes went completely to the wrong team and almost cost us a counter-attack crisis here and there (we were lucky not to have been burned). Added little offensively.

Nedved - 6 - He was an engine, but not the engine that could. His assists could have been more accurate, and he forced a few shots in traffic that should have been kicked wide. But he was creating some chaos up front.

Giannichedda - 5 - Combined with Zanetti today, the core of our midfield was poor. Possession consisted of a good challenge to win the ball here and there, but a completely useless or errant pass to turn it over right away afterwards. Giannichedda embodied that. He was better in our own box as a defender than anything he contributed beyond our own box.

Zanetti - 5 - Like Giannichedda, he added nothing to our forward movement. Some bad tackling. Sloppy. Just sloppy.

Marchionni - 5.5 - He's played better matches by far. His crosses were weak, as was his decision-making when it came to passing targets. I couldn't help but get the sense of all the things Camo could have done in his place given the same situations he was in today. The best play he had all day was deciding to dribble into the box more, when he had space, which lead to the DP PK. His shot on goal was terrible, so it was fortunate he used Pescara's defensive packing to his advantage and caught an arm. Otherwise, he was never threatening in his crosses and assists, and he was even less threatening when attempting shots at goal.

Zalayeta - 5 - Completely non-threatening. We could have replaced him out there with a teddy bear on the pitch and done just about as well. His best moves were in forcing the ball forward, catching passes down the wing, and kicking them back to someone else. Never seemed to break free, never seem to do anything constructive with his touches. Deadwood today.

Del Piero - 6.5 - Yes, he missed a PK. But he had to get my MOM. He was the only real force on the pitch today that was really generating anything of any real threat. It just throttled him that Pescara packed so many in the box and he had not a single finisher on the pitch to make use of his ball movement and maneuvers to create space.

Subs:

Birindelli - 6.5 - Beautiful one-touch goal. I thought bringing him in over Zebina was a wise move because Juve were proving that they could safely send their defensive wings forward and get involved in the play, and Zebina was not getting it done at all. Biri has been in better crossing form in recent months, but it was his finish that won it for us. Add that he wasn't going to hack his way to a red card like Zebina was about to, and it was a surprising early sub but a critical one nonetheless.

Palladino - 6 - When he came on, I could almost sense the difference in out offensive confidence. He controlled the ball far better than Zala and created a few chances.

Marchesio - NR - Not on long enough.

DD - 6 - Not one of his best coached matches by far. But we got the points on the road, and it was his two first subs that were responsible for the goal that finally broke the match open. His choice to start Zala was nonsensical at best. Leaving Boji on the bench today was irresponsible, really. But his choice to sub Biri for Zebina and Palla for Marchionni were both solid choices -- though the latter one should have been made earlier on.
first of all thank you both for the reports

I have to agree with Swag here Vinni.I will just add a few points of my own about the game

Marchionni-to be fair to him he looked lively, but there was no end product at all. My biggest problem with him is his decision making as swag said and mainly his crosses which are way below par. I've been hard on him but he needs to lift his game, if hes gonna add something to the team next season.DD gave him full confidence this season and especially this game and he failed to deliver up to standard.

Zalayeta- you guys said enough, but what i dont understand is why he doesn't stay in the box more.Hes always drifting wide and completely destroying our attacks and some of them were well formed.I dont understand why he got that much minutes.

DD- a big mistake imo was that he didn't start with either paro or marchisio in the middle and i saw a trend of that since both zanetti and giannichedda were both fit. We lack distribution in the midfield and the experienced duo will not provide that ever, and i dont understand why he can't see that. It is a whole different team when we have one of those two in the midfield cause they have better passing ranges and a much better vision.
I really hope it isn't lack of personality by DD cause he doesn't want to bench one of the more experienced players.
 

RAMI-N

★ ★ ★
Aug 22, 2006
21,473
After all I have read here...
I only have a 1 question: Why DD is treating Bojinov like this?!
There is nothing can justify his treatment to this player...
he didnt play him today, and he won't play him anymore :disagree:

This coach is really funny :tdown:
 

Marc

Softcore Juventino
Jul 14, 2006
21,649
RAMI

I just noticed that you ask this questions about Boji in every thread approximately every 2 days. What´s the big deal? Are you in love with him? :D

You won´t get your answers here, try asking Deschamps himself. :p
 

RAMI-N

★ ★ ★
Aug 22, 2006
21,473
RAMI

I just noticed that you ask this questions about Boji in every thread approximately every 2 days. What´s the big deal? Are you in love with him? :D

You won´t get your answers here, try asking Deschamps himself. :p
:D
MARK

Im just frustrated for the way Boji is being treated :cry:
We are losing a great talent that could become something big in the future!
Why? I dont know, and If I can reach DD...I won't ask him...I'll :D kill him :D
 

Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
39,347
Jonathan got a yellow card and will miss next match...Other than that I really don't see why Biri was sent in for Zebina.

We had some funny incidents today...DP's acting was hillarious and unexpected from him!!
This I got to see.
 

Morra10

Senior Member
Apr 30, 2006
3,576
It was pretty funny. He acted like a pescara player, he went to his knees and held his face.

I espically like the zanetti foul. He completely missed his tackle, hit a pescara players leg, then handed balled it and then when the player got by him grabbed his leg and didnt let go. :D
 

Christina

vanilla pudding
Aug 21, 2006
19,775
Del Piero litiga con un poliziotto
Il capitano della Juve a nervi tesi: dopo aver sbagliato il rigore e aver preso un'ammonizione per un litigio con l'arbitro nella gara vinta a Pescara, il battibecco negli spogliatoi con un agente di polizia
Del Piero si è fatto parare un rigore a Pescara.
PieranunziPESCARA, 31 marzo 2007 - Giornata no per Alessandro Del Piero, nervoso in campo e fuori: dopo il rigore sbagliato e l'ammonizione presa per avere risposto male all'arbitro, alla fine della gara con il Pescara ha anche litigato con un poliziotto. Secondo fonti della società bianconera, Del Piero nel tunnel degli spogliatoi si è sentito tirare per il polsino da qualcuno e ha cercato di divincolarsi con il gomito, poi ha avuto una breve discussione con un poliziotto con il quale si è successivamente chiarito.

gazzetta.it
-------------------------------------
Can someone translate this please? Why did he talk to a cop for?
 

Cuti

The Real MC
Jul 30, 2006
13,517
he had an argument with a policeman in the tunnels. Don't feel like explaining why thoguh now. Too tired and drunk
 

swag

L'autista
Administrator
Sep 23, 2003
84,790
Nice comments, sateeh...

DD- a big mistake imo was that he didn't start with either paro or marchisio in the middle
This is a great point I didn't catch, and you're right. :tup: The Giannichedda/Zanetti middle was too weak, IMO. If Zanetti had his A game on, that might be tolerable, but what was out there wasn't. Paro or Marchisio earlier on in the match would have been an improvement.
 

Vinman

2013 Prediction Cup Champ
Jul 16, 2002
11,482
Swag said:
Marchionni - 5.5 - He's played better matches by far. His crosses were weak, as was his decision-making when it came to passing targets. I couldn't help but get the sense of all the things Camo could have done in his place given the same situations he was in today. The best play he had all day was deciding to dribble into the box more, when he had space, which lead to the DP PK. His shot on goal was terrible, so it was fortunate he used Pescara's defensive packing to his advantage and caught an arm. Otherwise, he was never threatening in his crosses and assists, and he was even less threatening when attempting shots at goal.
it looks like Marchionni is about the only point we disagree on

his shot on goal that led to the pk was a good shot, which may have gone in, had it not been for the defenders arm

I like the confidence he showed today with the ball, something he hasnt showed yet, when given the chance this season

Not all his passes were perfect, nor were all of his crosses, but he was one of the few players out there who took some initiative, and moved well off the ball, and attacked when he had it...its a far improvement from what he's showed me so far
 

Users Who Are Viewing This Thread (Users: 0, Guests: 16)