[Serie A] Sassuolo 1-1 JUVENTUS (October 18th 2014) (3 Viewers)

[Hist]

Marchisio mediocre. Marchisio regista and allegri being blamed for injuries in which were suffered in an international game and friendly I've read it all now.

No kind sir. Playing Pirlo's role is acting like a regista or a deep lying playmaker if that makes you feel better. Marchisio does range from the invisible mediocre to the above average. This season he is doing better than the last but the guy has exhibited severe inconsistency over the last three years.

Further, I never said allegri should be blamed for injuries. I said he should be blamed for the form of our two best players IF they don't recover form. It goes without saying that if they stay injured then thats something else as one cannot expect a player to perform outside of the football pitch.

Vidal uncharacteristically is showing a lack of discipline while Pirlo (still fresh from injury) hasnt had a good match under him yet and these two (allegri and pirlo) have a poor history together. If that continues then yes its the coach's fault.

If two players that have consistently performed at a very high level and have shown discipline under Conte for 3 years suddenly become uncontrollable and/or terrible then the coach is responsible.

Likewise, Allegri should be credited for Tevez's good form as his new free role has improved his performances (Tevez himself said so). Time will tell if he can get Pirlo and Vidal running as usual and whether llorente's poor form is down to the new tactics or to Llorente himself. Its still too early to judge.

 

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[alexjuventino]

Form is temporary, if a player isn't preferring Well under a coach it doesn't imply it's the coach. The season is still early, however given our coach and style of play, Marchisio is way better than pirlo. And Marchisio is playing as a defensive midfielder.

 

[Hist]

Form is temporary, if a player isn't preferring Well under a coach it doesn't imply it's the coach. The season is still early, however given our coach and style of play, Marchisio is way better than pirlo. And Marchisio is playing as a defensive midfielder.

So if Allegri goes to madrid and Ronaldo suddenly stops scoring while Bale turns into a party animal that gets drunk on the night before matches you wouldn't blame the coach. These are players who have been very consistently world class for 3 years now.

How is Marchisio better for us? We already were very solid defensively. We have 3 Centerbacks and 2 CMs that can defend very well. We have wing backs that are extremely solid defensively. We are always the team that concedes the least in Italy and are always amongst the least conceding amongst all European teams. We probably have better defensive players than arguably every club in the world. We've barely conceded goals over the last 3 years with Pirlo amongst our ranks.

Our problems have always been creativity because Pirlo was our only source of creativity until Tevez came along. People have been whining for a year now about the 3-5-2 because it is "cowardly pussy tactics" that leaves us toothless in attack and emphasizes only defense. The dreamy switch to the 4-3-3 that people want because people want our creativity to come from the wings as well as from the midfield. We have always been accused of being overly reliant on Pirlo.

Now that allegri found a role for tevez to be creative you want to bench our main creative man for another defender? for what? to concede 2 or 3 goals less per season? For once Pirlo will have some assistance with Pogba's growth and Tevez's added freedom. We should definitely not take one step forward then two steps backwards by benching our main creative hub for another defender. Thats like being accused of being too reliant on messi and then benching him after seeing that Neymar could also score both. That'd be a mistake. One should play both.

 

[Fr3sh]

So if Allegri goes to madrid and Ronaldo suddenly stops scoring while Bale turns into a party animal that gets drunk on the night before matches you wouldn't blame the coach. These are players who have been very consistently world class for 3 years now.

How is Marchisio better for us? We already were very solid defensively. We have 3 Centerbacks and 2 CMs that can defend very well. We have wing backs that are extremely solid defensively. We are always the team that concedes the least in Italy and are always amongst the least conceding amongst all European teams. We probably have better defensive players than arguably every club in the world. We've barely conceded goals over the last 3 years with Pirlo amongst our ranks.

Our problems have always been creativity because Pirlo was our only source of creativity until Tevez came along. People have been whining for a year now about the 3-5-2 because it is "cowardly pussy tactics" that leaves us toothless in attack and emphasizes only defense. The dreamy switch to the 4-3-3 that people want because people want our creativity to come from the wings as well as from the midfield. We have always been accused of being overly reliant on Pirlo.

Now that allegri found a role for tevez to be creative you want to bench our main creative man for another defender? for what? to concede 2 or 3 goals less per season? For once Pirlo will have some assistance with Pogba's growth and Tevez's added freedom. We should definitely not take one step forward then two steps backwards by benching our main creative hub for another defender. Thats like being accused of being too reliant on messi and then benching him after seeing that Neymar could also score both. That'd be a mistake. One should play both.

Thank you. You see Alexjuventino?

 

[alexjuventino]

So if Allegri goes to madrid and Ronaldo suddenly stops scoring while Bale turns into a party animal that gets drunk on the night before matches you wouldn't blame the coach. These are players who have been very consistently world class for 3 years now.

How is Marchisio better for us? We already were very solid defensively. We have 3 Centerbacks and 2 CMs that can defend very well. We have wing backs that are extremely solid defensively. We are always the team that concedes the least in Italy and are always amongst the least conceding amongst all European teams. We probably have better defensive players than arguably every club in the world. We've barely conceded goals over the last 3 years with Pirlo amongst our ranks.

Our problems have always been creativity because Pirlo was our only source of creativity until Tevez came along. People have been whining for a year now about the 3-5-2 because it is "cowardly pussy tactics" that leaves us toothless in attack and emphasizes only defense. The dreamy switch to the 4-3-3 that people want because people want our creativity to come from the wings as well as from the midfield. We have always been accused of being overly reliant on Pirlo.

Now that allegri found a role for tevez to be creative you want to bench our main creative man for another defender? for what? to concede 2 or 3 goals less per season? For once Pirlo will have some assistance with Pogba's growth and Tevez's added freedom. We should definitely not take one step forward then two steps backwards by benching our main creative hub for another defender. Thats like being accused of being too reliant on messi and then benching him after seeing that Neymar could also score both. That'd be a mistake. One should play both.

I have always been against the 3-5-2 and the use of pirlo for the specific reasons that you listed. Relying on Pirlo is terrible and that is why it is better to play Marchisio. Defensively yes we are a solid team but when you field pirlo you basically are playing with 1 man less on the field. Pirlo offers next to nothing when it comes to defense. He is a huge liability in defense and for those possible assists he could make, there is also the possibility he could lose possession and cause a counter for the opposition.

By playing Marchisio you allow both Vidal and Pogba to have more freedom going forward, if you play Pirlo both Vidal and Pogba have to either alternate going forward or are limited when making their runs. Now you can continue on focusing on what Pirlo has done but in the world of football form is key and I know you will continue to drag on the fact that Pirlo was influential in Conte's Juve but Conte is no longer here. The way forward is without Pirlo and to drop the 3-5-2.

Regarding the creativity, it isn't like this team can't create opportunities, once again it comes down to taking advantage of the opportunities in which are created. Llorente is out of form, while Tevez is in the form of his life.

I don't get what you are referring to in the bold statement. If you are referring to Marchisio playing instead of Pirlo then I think you need to look up what position Marchisio plays. Also Tevez was never a very creative player and his new role isn't a creative role. The difference between him under Allegri and Conte is that now he has the freedom to pick up possession from midfield and work his way forward. That is simply allowing him to be able to make untracked runs from midfield to the goal and that is why these goals are coming.

 

[Hist]

I have always been against the 3-5-2 and the use of pirlo for the specific reasons that you listed. Relying on Pirlo is terrible and that is why it is better to play Marchisio. Defensively yes we are a solid team but when you field pirlo you basically are playing with 1 man less on the field. Pirlo offers next to nothing when it comes to defense. He is a huge liability in defense and for those possible assists he could make, there is also the possibility he could lose possession and cause a counter for the opposition.

By playing Marchisio you allow both Vidal and Pogba to have more freedom going forward, if you play Pirlo both Vidal and Pogba have to either alternate going forward or are limited when making their runs. Now you can continue on focusing on what Pirlo has done but in the world of football form is key and I know you will continue to drag on the fact that Pirlo was influential in Conte's Juve but Conte is no longer here. The way forward is without Pirlo and to drop the 3-5-2.

Regarding the creativity, it isn't like this team can't create opportunities, once again it comes down to taking advantage of the opportunities in which are created. Llorente is out of form, while Tevez is in the form of his life.

I don't get what you are referring to in the bold statement. If you are referring to Marchisio playing instead of Pirlo then I think you need to look up what position Marchisio plays. Also Tevez was never a very creative player and his new role isn't a creative role. The difference between him under Allegri and Conte is that now he has the freedom to pick up possession from midfield and work his way forward. That is simply allowing him to be able to make untracked runs from midfield to the goal and that is why these goals are coming.

By defender I mean a player whose job is to defend so that includes playing as a defensive midfielder. Again our defense has consistently been amongst the best 3 clubs world wide and that was while playing Pirlo as our main creative outlet. Now if you bench him for a DM you slash your creativity. With Pirlo in our squad Vidal and Pogba both score a lot of times pirlo doesnt impede them in anyway. As long as we play a 3-5-2, Pirlo is a better choice than marchisio. As the creative hub of the team we should exploit him not bench him for a player that would only add defensive solidity to an already very solid team. This is what I was claiming in the bold part.

If we were leaking goals left and right then yeah bring on marchisio but since we never had a bad defense there is no point in playing a DM in place of our most creative player. Especially that we have had many problems going forward.

 

[alexjuventino]

But our problem isn't creating it is finishing

 

[Fr3sh]

But our problem isn't creating it is finishing

How many "creative" moment have we had in our pass two games?!

 

[alexjuventino]

Look at our shot on goals and then laugh