our defenders were bad, not brilliant at all
sissoko was, together with camoranesi, our best player on the pitch
sissoko was, together with camoranesi, our best player on the pitch
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Serie A: Reggina vs Juventus [Feb 23 , 2008] (9 Viewers)
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To be honest, I've seen this club in this situation way too many times before. And as bad as the outcome was (out of our hands, really 
), I was actually happier than usual about how players were trying creative drop-offs, cutting into the box, etc. The ball movement was good and we had openings and chances.
In the end this isn't horseshoes where close is good enough, of course, but it was more encouraging to watch than the many times we've come up against a relegation-battling catenaccio opponent with a freak one-goal lead who shuts down all our crosses, seems to have 83 defensive legs in the box that none of our passes can penetrate, etc. At least in this match, ref aside, I felt like we were creating chances of actually winning this thing.
), I was actually happier than usual about how players were trying creative drop-offs, cutting into the box, etc. The ball movement was good and we had openings and chances.In the end this isn't horseshoes where close is good enough, of course, but it was more encouraging to watch than the many times we've come up against a relegation-battling catenaccio opponent with a freak one-goal lead who shuts down all our crosses, seems to have 83 defensive legs in the box that none of our passes can penetrate, etc. At least in this match, ref aside, I felt like we were creating chances of actually winning this thing.
i know our past was never like this, i am not claiming it was, but the fact is now refs are so scared of being seen as pro-juve that rather than being neutral they have to appear as anti-juve. We are suffering like this because its a psychological issue with the refs and it wont go away for a while.
Plus i wouldn't rule out another calciopoli involving inter
Plus i wouldn't rule out another calciopoli involving inter
Ranieri 'bitter' at ref treatment
Claudio Ranieri was visibly angry and “bitter” after a disastrous refereeing performance, suggesting Juventus are still paying for the Calciopoli scandal.
“I do not comment on penalties given or not given to us or other teams. One needs to analyze the entire 90 minutes and what happened in them.
“With that in mind, we are all very bitter at this defeat. It wasn’t the penalty incidents, it was the whole refereeing approach we didn’t like.”
The Bianconeri lost 2-1 at the Granillo to Reggina with a stoppage-time penalty, but before that Juve had four potential spot-kicks rejected, including a clear foul on Momo Sissoko.
“It all comes together and the major incidents are just the tip of the iceberg. We played a great game and pinned Reggina back into their own half during the second half, but we lost and must leave it there,” added Ranieri, who was evidently holding his tongue.
“We can’t talk after this game, we really can’t. The three or four penalties have to be seen as part of the overall night. I will not stand here and give my view on whether it was a spot-kick or not.
“The lads are very upset, as they ran so hard and worked so much. We knew it was going to be tough this year and we just have to keep going through it all.
“We managed to equalise and always play to win, but we didn’t manage it and lost, so we cannot say anything more.”
These comments suggest Ranieri thought it was similar to Juve’s complaints after the 3-1 loss to Napoli earlier this season.
After that game at the San Paolo, the club protested that they were still being made to pay for the Calciopoli scandal. Ranieri was asked if he felt they were back in that situation?
“You’re very perspicacious…” was his only response.
“Referees make mistakes. If my players make a mistake, I talk to them and try to sort them out. I hope Pierluigi Collina will do the same with his referees.”
Sissoko had his first Serie A start in a Juventus shirt, though it was his clumsy overhead kick clearance that handed Reggina their winning penalty.
“Sissoko immediately settled into the squad and feels in good shape. We signed this player because Liverpool play in a similar style to us with two defensive midfielders in front of the back line. I am satisfied with Sissoko’s performance.”
The Coach also explained why injuries had forced a change of tactics, as David Trezeguet and Vincenzo Iaquinta were ruled out.
“We didn’t have Trezeguet or Iaquinta, so I asked to play ball to feet rather than cross into the box. We were certainly missing that figure in the team, but Ale Del Piero and Raffaele Palladino tried to follow my instructions even against a Reggina side clammed up in their own half.”
Reggina Coach Renzo Ulivieri also refused to comment on the controversial penalty incidents.
“The result may well be harsh on Juve, considering how they played and how many chances they had. But my team battled hard, defended well – as they had to – and took home an important result.
“I saw the penalty incident and do not know whether it was a foul or not, but one cannot reason over where the ball was and who the player was looking at. That changes the rules.”
Ulivieri’s job was saved by this victory, as the Amaranto were ready to fire him following four straight defeats.
“I never asked the team to play for their Coach. They must play for themselves, this club and the fans. I have a good rapport with the players and hope they feel the same way about me.
“At the end of the day a tactician is always alone with his thoughts. Four defeats on the trot are a lot, even if they were against the likes of Milan and Roma, but this was a very hard-fought victory.”
http://www.channel4.com/sport/football_italia/feb23q.html
Claudio Ranieri was visibly angry and “bitter” after a disastrous refereeing performance, suggesting Juventus are still paying for the Calciopoli scandal.
“I do not comment on penalties given or not given to us or other teams. One needs to analyze the entire 90 minutes and what happened in them.
“With that in mind, we are all very bitter at this defeat. It wasn’t the penalty incidents, it was the whole refereeing approach we didn’t like.”
The Bianconeri lost 2-1 at the Granillo to Reggina with a stoppage-time penalty, but before that Juve had four potential spot-kicks rejected, including a clear foul on Momo Sissoko.
“It all comes together and the major incidents are just the tip of the iceberg. We played a great game and pinned Reggina back into their own half during the second half, but we lost and must leave it there,” added Ranieri, who was evidently holding his tongue.
“We can’t talk after this game, we really can’t. The three or four penalties have to be seen as part of the overall night. I will not stand here and give my view on whether it was a spot-kick or not.
“The lads are very upset, as they ran so hard and worked so much. We knew it was going to be tough this year and we just have to keep going through it all.
“We managed to equalise and always play to win, but we didn’t manage it and lost, so we cannot say anything more.”
These comments suggest Ranieri thought it was similar to Juve’s complaints after the 3-1 loss to Napoli earlier this season.
After that game at the San Paolo, the club protested that they were still being made to pay for the Calciopoli scandal. Ranieri was asked if he felt they were back in that situation?
“You’re very perspicacious…” was his only response.
“Referees make mistakes. If my players make a mistake, I talk to them and try to sort them out. I hope Pierluigi Collina will do the same with his referees.”
Sissoko had his first Serie A start in a Juventus shirt, though it was his clumsy overhead kick clearance that handed Reggina their winning penalty.
“Sissoko immediately settled into the squad and feels in good shape. We signed this player because Liverpool play in a similar style to us with two defensive midfielders in front of the back line. I am satisfied with Sissoko’s performance.”
The Coach also explained why injuries had forced a change of tactics, as David Trezeguet and Vincenzo Iaquinta were ruled out.
“We didn’t have Trezeguet or Iaquinta, so I asked to play ball to feet rather than cross into the box. We were certainly missing that figure in the team, but Ale Del Piero and Raffaele Palladino tried to follow my instructions even against a Reggina side clammed up in their own half.”
Reggina Coach Renzo Ulivieri also refused to comment on the controversial penalty incidents.
“The result may well be harsh on Juve, considering how they played and how many chances they had. But my team battled hard, defended well – as they had to – and took home an important result.
“I saw the penalty incident and do not know whether it was a foul or not, but one cannot reason over where the ball was and who the player was looking at. That changes the rules.”
Ulivieri’s job was saved by this victory, as the Amaranto were ready to fire him following four straight defeats.
“I never asked the team to play for their Coach. They must play for themselves, this club and the fans. I have a good rapport with the players and hope they feel the same way about me.
“At the end of the day a tactician is always alone with his thoughts. Four defeats on the trot are a lot, even if they were against the likes of Milan and Roma, but this was a very hard-fought victory.”
http://www.channel4.com/sport/football_italia/feb23q.html
To be honest, I've seen this club in this situation way too many times before. And as bad as the outcome was (out of our hands, really ), I was actually happier than usual about how players were trying creative drop-offs, cutting into the box, etc. The ball movement was good and we had openings and chances.
In the end this isn't horseshoes where close is good enough, of course, but it was more encouraging to watch than the many times we've come up against a relegation-battling catenaccio opponent with a freak one-goal lead who shuts down all our crosses, seems to have 83 defensive legs in the box that none of our passes can penetrate, etc. At least in this match, ref aside, I felt like we were creating chances of actually winning this thing.
), I was actually happier than usual about how players were trying creative drop-offs, cutting into the box, etc. The ball movement was good and we had openings and chances.In the end this isn't horseshoes where close is good enough, of course, but it was more encouraging to watch than the many times we've come up against a relegation-battling catenaccio opponent with a freak one-goal lead who shuts down all our crosses, seems to have 83 defensive legs in the box that none of our passes can penetrate, etc. At least in this match, ref aside, I felt like we were creating chances of actually winning this thing.
but the point im tring to make is that giovinco would have come in use full nipping in here and there tring to draw thier defenders out to slice in a pass we need a more lively presenceThat doesn't make sense.
Of course we are going to lose games that's not my point. My point is that we are capable of beating reggina by 3 goals or whatever so anything else is not good enough.
Yes teams will raise their games against us, but here i dont even think reggina did, they had like 2 shots and scored both, and they were pretty damn poor in my eyes, they hardly strung passes together. So i think without a question we should have beaten them, do you disagree???
Of course we are going to lose games that's not my point. My point is that we are capable of beating reggina by 3 goals or whatever so anything else is not good enough.
Yes teams will raise their games against us, but here i dont even think reggina did, they had like 2 shots and scored both, and they were pretty damn poor in my eyes, they hardly strung passes together. So i think without a question we should have beaten them, do you disagree???
Ok edited a bit but this is what I think.And btw goal.com sucks at player ratings
Ok even tho there was no need to this I`ll do it just to help someone who didn`t watch the match.
First of all you must know this match was fixed.Second,that ref should be banned for the rest of his life along side with Collina.
Ok let`s start.WE WERE SH*T!
We were so bad that I still can`t belive it.Especially first half!Terrible,just fu*king terrible.
Ranieri was very,very bad and I think there is no need for someone to defend him,even Lampard.No subs...Jesus Christ.
Belardi-5 Couldn`t do anything with those goals and his fault
Molinaro-4 Bad match,yet again.Can`t do anything and made tons of mistakes.
Chiellini-4.5 Bad comparing to his quality.
Legro-4.5 Terrible over all
Grygera-3 Terrible.He didn`t do ANYTHING!He was invisible.
Nedved-5.5 Had few good shots but over all nothing special
Zanetti-3.5 Worst match of the season I guess.A lot of mistakes and bad passes/decisions.And also red card after the match
Sissoko-6 MOM I think he was our best player over there no matter that "foul" in the last minute that costed us the game but I think we can`t blame him...
Camo-4.5 Nothing...really bad match and stupid mistakes.
Del Piero-5.5 Scored that goal but just luckly and over all I think he was nothing special.Good ball control tho
Palladino-4.5 Still nothing from him.Had few good moves but still sucky
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Sali-4.5 Terrible...had one good cross and like 7 mistakes.
Ranieri-3.5 just one sub even tho we were sh*t he didn`t do anything to fix it.Like I said we`re back to 4-4-2 and bad tactics even tho he did good against Roma in first half.
Dondarini- -10 Fuck you.How much did you get for this match?
We DID NOT deserve here 3 points but we also didn`t deserve this fu*king CHEATING!
Over all this just one fixed match.
Ok even tho there was no need to this I`ll do it just to help someone who didn`t watch the match.
First of all you must know this match was fixed.Second,that ref should be banned for the rest of his life along side with Collina.
Ok let`s start.WE WERE SH*T!
We were so bad that I still can`t belive it.Especially first half!Terrible,just fu*king terrible.
Ranieri was very,very bad and I think there is no need for someone to defend him,even Lampard.No subs...Jesus Christ.
Belardi-5 Couldn`t do anything with those goals and his fault
Molinaro-4 Bad match,yet again.Can`t do anything and made tons of mistakes.
Chiellini-4.5 Bad comparing to his quality.
Legro-4.5 Terrible over all
Grygera-3 Terrible.He didn`t do ANYTHING!He was invisible.
Nedved-5.5 Had few good shots but over all nothing special
Zanetti-3.5 Worst match of the season I guess.A lot of mistakes and bad passes/decisions.And also red card after the match
Sissoko-6 MOM I think he was our best player over there no matter that "foul" in the last minute that costed us the game but I think we can`t blame him...
Camo-4.5 Nothing...really bad match and stupid mistakes.
Del Piero-5.5 Scored that goal but just luckly and over all I think he was nothing special.Good ball control tho
Palladino-4.5 Still nothing from him.Had few good moves but still sucky
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Sali-4.5 Terrible...had one good cross and like 7 mistakes.
Ranieri-3.5 just one sub even tho we were sh*t he didn`t do anything to fix it.Like I said we`re back to 4-4-2 and bad tactics even tho he did good against Roma in first half.
Dondarini- -10 Fuck you.How much did you get for this match?
We DID NOT deserve here 3 points but we also didn`t deserve this fu*king CHEATING!
Over all this just one fixed match.